Strike on Gaza school ‘kills 30′


by Leon
6th January, 2009 at 4:06 pm    

Another day, another Israeli strike which kills innocents:

At least 40 people have been killed in an Israeli air strike on a United Nations-run school in the Gaza Strip, Palestinian medical sources have said. A number of children were among those who died when the al-Fakhura school in the Jabaliya refugee camp took a direct hit, doctors at nearby hospitals said.

People inside had been taking refuge from the Israeli ground offensive.

Words almost fail me when I attempt to comment on the growing humanitarian crisis in Gaza. It’s truly horrific and utterly depressing.

I’m glad I don’t have to pay this kind of price for electing the wrong people to represent me.


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  1. Squanderer — on 6th January, 2009 at 4:24 pm  

    Shocking though inevitable. Seems we’re going to start becoming immune to the statistics pretty soon. I’m still wondering if Israel is achieving its ‘objectives’ of this war by bombing schools etc and securing the peace. No, it won’t!

    Shame on you Israel and shame on you international community for your deafening silence as more and more Gazans get bombed.

  2. Rayyan — on 6th January, 2009 at 4:35 pm  

    In the UK, when we want to win elections, we campaign.

    In Israel, when they want to win elections, they kill Gazans.

    In the UK, when we elect the ‘wrong’ government, we have other countries occasionally laugh at us.

    In Palestine, when they elect the ‘wrong’ government, they get blockaded and bombed.

    And that ends our lesson for today.

  3. Sofia — on 6th January, 2009 at 4:40 pm  

    it’s ok..they were all members of hamas

  4. Random Guy — on 6th January, 2009 at 4:44 pm  

    Yes Leon, the Palestinians were ‘wrong’ to exercise their rights and vote in the party they believed would benefit them the most. Naughty naughty that freedom of choice.

  5. SE — on 6th January, 2009 at 5:28 pm  

    All 40 of them!

    The thing about this is that no country is DOING anything apart from India (Who sent Aid which will get blocked by these blood thirsty monsters) about Israel and its sicko Pro-Israel supporters.

  6. Ms_Xtreme — on 6th January, 2009 at 5:58 pm  

    This is just madness.

    Some people on PP just need to stop posting now. They’ve been owned to the max.

  7. Sunny — on 6th January, 2009 at 6:04 pm  

    troll deleted…

  8. Emile Tubiana — on 6th January, 2009 at 6:12 pm  

    How can someone give public false informations.
    One time saying 40 killed in UN school and another time saying 30 killed outside the UN school. This is a lie and bias.

  9. comrade — on 6th January, 2009 at 6:18 pm  

    I am surprised no MOSSAD has come on line to justify this massacre, I am sure they will come around.

  10. douglas clark — on 6th January, 2009 at 6:26 pm  

    Heh,

    You really have lost the ability to read somewhere, haven’t you?

    ‘Tis you that is shilling, not I.

    I doubt anyone will ever truly know what happened over this horrible incident. Because shills like you and your counterparts for Hamas will argue back and forth. You might argue that black is white and your very good friend in Hamas might argue the opposite.

    It will be, in a reduced perspective, a ‘they started it. Put the kids at risk. No we didn’t. You fired first.’ narrative.

    And not one stinking lying word from either you nor your nemesis will be addressed towards the truth.

    It is a microcosm of the whole Arab – Israeli conflict.

    Both of you will hide behind your moral righteousness Heh.

    So, what does the brain dead Israeli wannabe psy-ops idiot do? Well:

    Hide behind your ability to Google a horrible quote.

    Pretend, for that is what the likes of ‘the others’ do, so you no-one reasonable would see the opposition as anything respectable. I do believe the Yanks in Vietnam described their opponents as ‘Gooks’ or some such. Nothing like trivialising your enemies, is there?

    Pretend, for the benefit of your own ‘troops’ that they are the enemy.

    When the dead are children, what do you do? The only thing you ever can do.

    You lie some more.

  11. tomjelen — on 6th January, 2009 at 6:33 pm  

    Why would Hamas send their children to a school in a war zone and then fire motars from near by?
    sounds to me that Hamas reaps what they sow.

  12. douglas clark — on 6th January, 2009 at 6:40 pm  

    tomjelen,

    Seems to me that you have an agenda. A stupid one. But an agenda, none the less.

    Try saying something…

  13. Lalkar-ite — on 6th January, 2009 at 6:54 pm  

    “Reaps what they sow”?

    A people who have had their land and freedom stolen from them by colonialists and who struggle to survive have brought this on themselves?? I suppose you think the jews in Germany brought the holocaust upon themselves? Perhaps the people of eastern europe brought the Nazi aggression upon themselves because they’re slavs?

    You cannot comare the violence of the oppressor with that of the oppressed.

    Hamas is fighting to save the Palestinian people, that is why Gaza is behind them 100%, because they wont compromise with a nation that seeks to wipe them out.

    Hamas have justice on their side, like all people fighting colonialism and fascism they are fighting a just war. This will inspire them to greater sacrifice and greater victories than the Israelis are capable of. The Israeli soldier will soon become negative and downheartened, they have nothing to fight for. This is not the end for Palestine, it is THE END FOR ISRAEL. HISTORIC PALESTINE WILL BE REBORN!

  14. douglas clark — on 6th January, 2009 at 7:06 pm  

    Sunny,

    The deleted troll was likely to become a figure of ridicule on here. I am a bit disappointed that you think we can’t put down trolls like that.

    Through arguement.

    We are actually quite a tough bunch, so:

    Could you have some respect for your supporters. We are not a brick short of being thick…..

  15. Don — on 6th January, 2009 at 7:13 pm  

    Why would Hamas send their children to a school in a war zone…

    They were Hamas children? Really?

    They weren’t sent to school, they took shelter in a UN facility. What do you think they were doing when the ordinance hit? Show and Tell? No, they were terrified kids with nowhere else to go.

    And the whole strip is a war zone, that is rather the point. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, even for children.

    Hamas reaps what they sow. Fine with me, but it ain’t just Hamas doing the reaping. If it were, I wouldn’t give a tinker’s damn.

    A pox on those on both sides who see a bloody shambles as no more than political leverage. Oh, and Emile, was it 30 or 40? Or 36? The aftermath of shit like this is not neat and tidy.

  16. comrade — on 6th January, 2009 at 7:13 pm  

    How can someone give public false informations.
    One time saying 40 killed in UN school and another time saying 30 killed outside the UN school. This is a lie and bias.

    Does it matter, if they are 40/30, inside UN school or outside. According to Israeili Officials, all of Gaza is a target. Their justification is, that the resistant, use the cover of schools, hospitals, houses, field/farms so what’s left. This is a terror tactics that the occupiers use to smash the resisant, because they know, that the people are the resistant. How did the French Resistants conduct it’s gueillila warfare against the Nazis, it was from amongst the people by the people, so you cannot seperate the two. This brutal unslaught does not surprise me one bit, this is the nature of occupation, it can only be sustained by brutal force.

    Read: THE BLOOD NEVER DRIED,a people’s history of the British Empire by John Newsinger: ISBN 1905192126 BOOK MARKS PUBLICATIONS

  17. Don — on 6th January, 2009 at 7:19 pm  

    I think Sid and Leon may well be right, the influx of unfamiliar commentors suggests that we have been targeted by the spin operations of both sides.

  18. douglas clark — on 6th January, 2009 at 7:30 pm  

    Morgoth @ 19,

    You complete utter lunatic. Beause, just because your side says it, don’t make it true.

    Persuade me, you wee mini-me Reverend Iain Paisley.

    ATTENTION. Sunny.

    It is easy to take these folk down. Morgoth is an idiot, but free speech, and challenging the tosser is more fun than banning him, or her. Could we have a discussion about this?

    There ought to be a limit to a Liberal Conspiracy, so, I’d suggest there ought to be a right to wire in on the daft, irracible and stupid Morgoth.

    But, that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be allowed to speak. At least and until, he sees himself as a moron.

  19. Leon — on 6th January, 2009 at 7:31 pm  

    We certainly are getting a higher than normal level of flat earthers for sure…

  20. Leon — on 6th January, 2009 at 7:32 pm  

    And this means we require a degree of vigilance and constructiveness from our regular (and highly respected I might add) commenter’s.

  21. Sunny — on 6th January, 2009 at 7:38 pm  

    Morgoth the racist is banned anyway, so all his posts are deleted.

  22. Pete999 — on 6th January, 2009 at 7:43 pm  

    If only Hamas hadn’t been trying to kill every Israeli they could then this wouldnt have happened.

  23. douglas clark — on 6th January, 2009 at 7:57 pm  

    Leon @ 24,

    Love you like a brother so I do. Not that I agree with you all the time. I think this is the definition of brotherly love. That we don’t agree, all the time, with each other.

    So.

    My point is, whether you agree with it or not, is that we do not need to be defended.

    And this means we require a degree of vigilance and constructiveness from our regular (and highly respected I might add) commenter’s.

    There is not a person on here that can’t stand up for themselves.

    Just sayin’

    Would you try to argue a weak point against anyone on here?

    No, you wouldn’t.

    ’cause you’d get thrashed.

    We ain’t weak, and we can be strong.

    Trust us.

    ‘Least, that’s what I think.

  24. Rayyan — on 6th January, 2009 at 8:03 pm  

    I’m sorry, it’s not acceptable for someone to equate pro-Palestinians to “BNP with brown skin”. As a brown person I found that comment racist, and also quite pathetic.

    I’ve seen Morgoth’s posts on HP – it says more about them than it does about him that they welcome him there.

    Well done for taking the right line on freedom of speech, LC mods.

  25. douglas clark — on 6th January, 2009 at 8:06 pm  

    Obviously the words ‘regular commentators’ should have been in there somewhere.

    You work it out.

    Sorry about that.

    And you know who you are.

  26. Kismet Hardy — on 6th January, 2009 at 8:06 pm  

    “If only Hamas hadn’t been trying to kill every Israeli they could then this wouldnt have happened”

    Why hadn’t I thought of that? My god, you’re a genius. I don’t feel bad about those dead children anymore. Phew. For a second I thought this wasn’t a fair fight

  27. Don — on 6th January, 2009 at 8:14 pm  

    Actually, within his field Morgoth is far from stupid. Outside his field he has flung himself into the bat-shit insane regions of Crowley/LaVey/Randian illuminati delusions.

    At least he’s coherent and I don’t think he’s a racist, based on what I’ve read him post, but obviously it’s your call, Sunny.

  28. Leon — on 6th January, 2009 at 8:14 pm  

    There is not a person on here that can’t stand up for themselves.

    I should clarify that because I think you’ve missed my point. I know people can, my point is we’re getting a higher than usual level of trollish commenter’s with a smattering of bigoted idiots and the usual defend Israel at any cost types (amongst others).

    A number of them will try and skewer discussion here with inflammatory posts, it’s better to recognise what’s going on than get drawn into these idiots bullshit. Just thought I’d point that out before it gets stupid…

    I’m all for the community (and that includes the reasonable and respected ‘pro’ Israel regulars) looking after itself.;)

  29. Pete999 — on 6th January, 2009 at 8:14 pm  

    Its true Kismet, every death in this lies on the head of Hamas and their refusal to even try and coexist.

    Every dead child is terrible, and avoidable. If Hamas just stop the rockets…

  30. Refresh — on 6th January, 2009 at 8:18 pm  

    Douglas, you have read my mind.

    I agree, let the trolls in their dirty macs flash away. They only expose themselves to ridicule and give us a measure of how poor the debate is on the shores of HP.

    As for Morgoth, he should most definitely be here. I would consider it therapy he doesn’t know he needs.

  31. S JOHAL — on 6th January, 2009 at 8:31 pm  

    let me express myself through the poem of my dear friend PAASH who was killed by Sikh religous fantics in Punjab in 1988 in Punjab, this has been translated from Punjabi. I think its relevent to the discussion

    I am frightened of newspapers these days

    frightened

    that there must be in them

    somewhere

    the news

    that nothing has happened

    You perhaps do not know

    - or maybe you do -

    how terrifying it is when nothing happens

    when your eyes wait with baited breath

    and all lies passive

    like a cold woman

    Even the talk of people in the village assembly

    seems like a serpent

    holding in its paralyzing clutch

    the tree

    that would sway in freedom

    I am afraid

    this world which looks abandoned and incomplete

    like an assembly of vacant chairs

    must be thinking how ridiculous we are

    What a shame

    that even after centuries

    bread, work and death should think

    we live only for them

    I do not know how I should explain

    to shy mornings and rallying nights

    and to gentle evenings

    that we have not come here to be greeted with a salute

    from them

    and that there is nothing to embrace

    between equals

    when one stands at arm’s length

    from arms outstretched for an embrace

    Even accidents arrive nowadays

    like panting old men

    on whores’ staircases

    Why isn’t there anything

    these days

    like the first meeting

    with one’s first love?

    This country

    the creation of great souls

    - how long, after all, will it escape

    the horned fiend of death?

    When, at last, shall we return

    to our homes

    that happen to be

    like happenings –

    we

    the exiles from life’s humble noises?

    When shall we, at last, sit

    around the smoke from smoldering fires

    and listen

    to the proud fire’s tales?

    One day

    we shall surely kiss

    the cheeks of seasons

    All earth will then become

    a newspaper

    and it will carry the news

    of so many happenings

    one day

    —–

  32. Refresh — on 6th January, 2009 at 8:51 pm  

    S Johal

    Respect to you and your friend’s memory, a true poet.

  33. douglas clark — on 6th January, 2009 at 9:41 pm  

    Leon,

    I don’t, quite, understand why you and I are not bet mates. I understand why you might want to say this:

    A number of them will try and skewer discussion here with inflammatory posts, it’s better to recognise what’s going on than get drawn into these idiots bullshit. Just thought I’d point that out before it gets stupid…

    Of course we recognise what is going on. We are not stupid.

    I think.

    Correct me if I am wrong.

    There is not a regular commentator on here that cannot take a stupid question or opinion apart.

    You do it, ffs. As do all my friends on here….

    One day

    we shall surely kiss

    the cheeks of seasons

    All earth will then become

    a newspaper

    and it will carry the news

    of so many happenings

    one day

    Yup!

  34. Leon — on 6th January, 2009 at 10:02 pm  

    Well, I don’t want to go round and round this but it’s easy to get drawn in, I’ve seen it happen in the last week more than usual. Hence my comments.

  35. Cold Beer — on 6th January, 2009 at 10:22 pm  

    I knew this would happen. It’s a horrible recipe that’s worked plenty of times before – Hamas fires from a location packed full of civilians, Israel fires back and Hamas reaps the PR of the ensuing civilian deaths.

    I wish Israel were smart enough not to take the bait.

  36. douglas clark — on 6th January, 2009 at 10:29 pm  

    Fair does Leon. Just stop saving us from ourselves, why don’t you?

    You know that most regular commentators, including your good self, can take idiots apart.

    Have a little faith in us.

    There has not been an idiot that has come here that has not been told where to go…

    There is something, sadly, enjoyable, in seeing an idiot shown off by us, rather than by dictat.

    Us, including you.

    You know you can do it.

  37. Leon — on 6th January, 2009 at 11:00 pm  

    Just stop saving us from ourselves, why don’t you?

    I’m not ‘saving’ anyone, it’s called moderation. And frankly with some of your erratic comments of late it’s much needed.

  38. Kismet Hardy — on 6th January, 2009 at 11:03 pm  

    Moral of the story: People who live in grass houses shouldn’t throw rockets when the people on the other side have jerichos, plutonium and cluster bombs…

  39. Steve M — on 7th January, 2009 at 12:21 am  

    I’ve just got home to hear the news of the school disaster. Let me just say (in case anyone has any doubts) that I am absolutely sick to hear of this terrible tragedy and very disappointed that the IDF allowed themselves to be suckered into this. There is video evidence of Hamas firing on the troops from the school and I’ve read reports that the school was booby trapped with the secondary explosions causing several casualties. I hope that the truth of this emerges, whatever that is, and I suspect it will over the next few days. However, at this time my thoughts are with the families of the children and innocents killed and injured and I’m too depressed to explore further tonight. Awful.

  40. Refresh — on 7th January, 2009 at 12:27 am  

    SteveM,

    Are you sure someone isn’t deceiving you? There is an old trick, where you make the lie big enough, tell it often enough and it becomes the established truth.

    Do you have access to this video?

  41. Steve M — on 7th January, 2009 at 1:06 am  

    Refresh,

    Sorry I was mistaken. No videos of this incident have been released to my knowledge. I misread The IDF released a video taken by a UAV last week showing terrorists firing mortar shells from right outside the school.

    I’m very tired.

  42. Rayyan — on 7th January, 2009 at 7:57 am  

    the IDF allowed themselves to be suckered into this Ah so Israel bombs a school and it is still essentially not their fault? Rockets might have been fired from it (allegedly) and so that justifies the killing of schoolchildren inside it? Somehow I don’t think you would be so quick to write off someone blowing up an Israeli university on account of everyone there having undergone military training – that would be a horrific and unjustifiable action. So why try to create a smokescreen by claiming the school was booby trapped?

    Next you’ll be saying the Palestinians are deliberately trying to get killed as much as possible to make Israel look bad, and that Israel was suckered into fighting the war in the first place.

  43. Sofia — on 7th January, 2009 at 9:32 am  

    you know it’s funny, when palestinian children are slaughtered, it’s because they are being used by their hamas family as shields…if your city/area is being bombarded, and you have no idea where the next bomb is going to land..where exactly do you want these ppl to take their children? You want them to stand in plain sight and wait to be bombed? oh and let’s make sure there’s a camera to take all the propaganda shots of bloodied children…some of you ppl live in cloud cuckoo land…

  44. hermes — on 7th January, 2009 at 12:04 pm  

    This is all being done with the support of George Bush, who in his last days as President wants to add to the death count that will be carved out on his gravestone. The Israelis know that dealing with Obama will be a different matter…so they wanted to get in quickly before the inaugeration and destory the infrastructure in Gaza.

    As Jonathan Freedland points out today in the Guardian, Gaza will now be ungovernable. Which should not please the Israelis, because it will turn into abnother Somalia, with warlords controlling small areas.

  45. Rayyan — on 7th January, 2009 at 1:25 pm  

    Mahmoud Abbas clamps down on Gaza solidarity demonstrations in the West Bank, undermining his own party’s authority

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXEx_sfjkJw&feature=dir

  46. Leon — on 7th January, 2009 at 1:34 pm  

    The UN gave Israel a map of where all it’s buildings where and what they were.

    Is targeting a school knowing full well you’ll be killing innocent children acceptable?

  47. Steve M — on 7th January, 2009 at 2:14 pm  

    “This is all being done with the support of George Bush, who in his last days as President wants to add to the death count that will be carved out on his gravestone. The Israelis know that dealing with Obama will be a different matter…so they wanted to get in quickly before the inaugeration and destory the infrastructure in Gaza.” – hermes

    I think that it’s naive to think that the USA or George Bush is isolated from most other governments in regard to their positions on this issue.

    I wonder what everyone thinks is going on behind the scenes, with the UN Security Council for example, and why? It should be clear that government spokesmen deliver sound bites designed to appease their populaces while government to government, the talk is very different. Why?

    Libya tabled the first draft resolution to the Security Council but as no mention at all was even made of Hamas it wasn’t taken seriously. But two days ago the Palestinians drafted another draft resolution which started with a condemnation of Israeli aggression. This was also rejected by the UK as well as the US (of course) and others. Does anyone here think that the PA didn’t know what they were doing? Clearly they were stalling to give Israel’s military operation more time. Practically all members of the Security Council have taken the same line. Let’s face it, most sane governments are quite clear that Hamas are a homicidal and dangerous organisation and they want them severely weakened. They know that no long term peace in the region is possible without a diminished Hamas. Furthermore, they are quite aware that Israel will perform this function in the most humane way possible (and of course they’re happy to let Israel carry the can) – given that all war is awful and that accidents and civilian casualties are inevitable, particularly since Hamas has stated that it worships death like Israel and the West worship life and uses civilians as shields and dead children as propaganda tools.

    Make no mistake, the nations of the world (by and large) want to act as ‘referees’ but are pretty clear that they are happy for the ‘game’ to have taken place.

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