and the world just sits back and allows such a horrid government to commit such blatant acts of savagery.

the fact of the matter is that the ‘west’ has nothing to gain from Palestine therefore it stands back and watches. when it came to another small country like Kuwait invaded by Saddam, the Americans went to help…because they had something to gain.

i just think this is all frankly horrible and i would give the YMAG some credit for making a frank but honest reality known to the PM…

well, not if it still does not address the issue

well, let’s see…what did we do in Iraq, what did we not do in rwanda, or sudan, or zimbabwe or palestine, or chechenya, bosnia…do you want me to go on…?

‘we’ suddenly have moral outrage when it’s saddam hussein with his possible weapons of mass destruction and we have moral outrage against the taliban for harbouring al qaeda (or was it because they treat women like shit…i can’t remember)…yet ‘we’ excuse state acts of terror when it suits ‘us’ because we label it self defence against a ‘militant’ ‘terrorist organisation’…

Can you pinpoint who started it?
How far back do you go?
Do you look at numbers killed/displaced? To me a set of 50 people against another set of 300 people are no less important just because the numbers are less.

And when opposing sides recount past evils it brings a fresh hatred to feed upon.

Its questionable whether there a foolproof way to settle long standing feuds.

‘We must stop arming Israel Brown has to stop sitting on his hands, halt British weapons exports and insist the EU do the same’

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/07/nick-clegg-israel-gaza-war

“No, we are not. We are recognising our comparative impotence in an honest way.”

There is no point in playing that interminable game of where its lobbed back & forth as to who is most culpable, as Brown says playing the blame game is futile at this point. The killing has to stop.

What a surprise…

Moreover, however you look at this, the YMAG definition of “violent extremism” as “the indiscriminate killing of innocent people, wherever and by whoever this is perpetrated” is, I would say, very reasonable and accurate.

Since the state of Israel are carrying out exactly that (the indiscriminate killing of innocent people), then they must necessarily be condemned if politicians here are to claim any shred of integrity. (As an anarchist, I already believe that politicians can make no such claims of integrity.)

Whatever you think of the rest of this statement from YMAG, these parts of their argument stand regardless, and are (you would think, but obviously not judging by some of the malevolent bile posted here) beyond question by any reasonable person.

Nah. That doesnt matter to these people. Because there single issue hypocrits who only care when its Israel.

Bollocks to em and their selective concerns.

Point to where anyone here is defending that. I’m not, and I don’t believe anyone else here is either.

Israel doesn’t recognise the right of Palestine to exist. It has shown this by colonising their land, murdering their people, creating 5 million Palestinian refugees and now attempting to chose their government by armed invasion and terror. The terror of tanks, planes, helicopter, warships, missiles, guns and bombs. Hundreds dead.

Hamas has a piece of paper saying the same thing and you equate the two. They ‘terrorise’ Israel with some homemade toilet-tube fireworks, 15 dead…

No. What puts terror into the hearts of the Zionists is the fact that the Palestinians will not disappear into oblivion, will not give up their right to exist.

THE RIGHT TO RESIST INVASION IS ENSHRINED IN INTERNATIONAL LAW.

But i guess Holocaust deniers still exist, so there you go.

I also have to apologize again for agreeing with the article on another post about the press restriction.
Why does everyone show up in droves only when Israel reacts?
Why weren’t they there before this reporting? and where are/were the anti hamas protests? Where are the voices over the brainwashing of children and the disgusting hatred they are pumped full of from birth? to me that is also a very serious on going humanitarian crisis!
When they die all of a sudden everyone becomes innocent victims?

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/01/gordon_brown_is.html#comments

‘Brown is appeasing domestic horror at the Israeli massacre in Gaza by calling for a ceasefire. Meanwhile British diplomats on the United Nations Security Council are under direct instructions to offer “tacit support” to United States’ efforts to block a ceasefire.

I have been told this directly by a former colleague in the UK Mission to the United Nations.’

(cross-post)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7810260.stm

So, I am not happy with the first sentence from YMAG:

By not doing so [condemning 'state terrorism'], we are in grave danger of sending a message to the youth today that the mass murder of civilians can be justified if the right grievances are cited.

No, we are not. We are recognising our comparative impotence in an honest way.

Can you see why he has said “humanitarian catastrophe” rather than “state terrorism”. Can you see why he has called for an immediate cease fire? Can you see why he has offered funding for disaster relief?

It is partly because the UK has no influence whatsoever over Israel and what it chooses to do. It is partly because any EU attempt to mediate in this situation would be compromised if one of it’s major figures said the Israeli’s were state terrorists. Even if he thought so.

Folk have a far higher regard for the UK Governments’ abilities to solve this that I do. It would be clearly stupid for young Muslims to take up arms against the UK State on a complete misconception about it’s ability to influence Israel, if that is indeed the reading of the text that is valid. A state over which it has neither economic nor military clout.

Well, it doesn’t like the Israeli govt is right now, is it? Maybe you should ask them too about whether they want an end to the violence (without killing everyone in Gaza).