And re “in what we have always considered to be our ancestral home”,
any such claims pertaining to a flat earth are void;
both in meaning and effect, since it is known to spin on an axis rather than be the stationary centre of the cosmos.

I am not sure you really understood what Chairwoman was trying to say:

‘I am from a people who have been bullied, reviled and murdered for 2000 years, some of whom would like the opportunity to co-exist peacefully, within secure borders, in what we have always considered to be our ancestral home.’

It is a tragedy that you could not see the opportunity to understand what makes this the most painful and incendiary of all the problems the world faces. And for Chairwoman to have put it in those terms is an honesty you must recognise.

Chairwoman is a friend and for good reason. By all means present alternatives which accomodate your passionately held views, but for all our sakes do not presume antipathy where there is none.

ziodegradeable,

Have you considered that not everyone on the other side of the fence thinks what you think they do, viz:

But you dont consider Israel killing children vile. What a sick puppy you are.

Perhaps they are not the sick puppies you say they are? Perhaps they have compassion and no desire to see killing, of any sort?

Perhaps they are human.

Do I detect a slightly mysogynistic tone in your voice towards a nice lady?

Perhaps I do.

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hasbara,

I doubt very much that Chairwoman – who’s nom de guerre is frankly beyond your pathetic little brain.. despite it being spelled out for you – is your enemy. Unless you choose, of course to exclusively see good people as bad. Just ’cause. Which is your right. But not likely to get you any brownie points.

Think again, both of you.

I cannot put it more plainly than that.

Thanks.

Well, I can and I will, if you ever, ever come on here with less than respect.

“I am from a people who have been bullied, reviled and murdered for 2000 years,”

But you werent exterminated by Palestinians or Arabs but by Europeans. So why should the Arabs pay the price because the Germans exterminated 6 million of you ?

And your people are now bullying, reviling and murdering the Palestinians. You must be so fvcking proud. But lets be honest only Jewish suffering really counts.

” some of whom would like the opportunity to co-exist peacefully, within secure borders, in what we have always considered to be our ancestral home.”"

Which happens belongs to someone else. Why do you have to have a state on someone else’s land. I fully understand the need for a state but why one that necessitates the genocide (and ethnic cleansing is genocide) of its original inhabitants ? How can you steal someone land then say “we want to co exist peacefully”?

Zionists demand respect for all the suffering Jews have had but are INCAPABLE of recognising the monstrosity of taking away the Palestinians lands to assuage the crimes of Europe.

“and specifically mentions martyrdom, it is absolutely, positively racist to say he is advocating suicide bombing.”

Its beyond me why suicide bombing is treated as a horror worse than cluster bombs, landmines mini nuclear devices and depleted uranium that the zionists and their allies use. They are certainly far less murderous against civilians.

I suspect its because it is used by the weaker parties not by the larger armies.

Samson was a suicide bomber and he isnt treated as a terrorist by zionists.

It has no place in a sensible adult debate.”

But you dont consider Israel killing children vile. What a sick puppy you are.

Given your vile ranting against the Palestinians your government is slaughetering Im very proud to upset ziofascists

“Yet if you study terrorism, revolutionary/marxist/ islamist, “by any means necessary” necessarily includes terrorism and targeting of ‘enemy’ civilians.”

You forgot to mention Judaic terrorism which Israel was built on and sustained by

“Yesha Rabbinical Council: During time of war, enemy has no innocents

Israel News
The Yesha Rabbinical Council announced in response to an IDF attack in Kfar Qanna that “according to Jewish law, during a time of battle and war, there is no such term as ‘innocents’ of the enemy.”

All of the discussions on Christian morality are weakening the spirit of the army and the nation and are costing us in the blood of our soldiers and civilians,” the statement said. ”

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3283720,00.html

The fact you are trying to divert attention from Israels slaughter to pretty irelevant comments made by somone thousands of miles away is typical

Who are “you folks”?

On Sunday Khaled Meshaal said this for Hamas from Damascus:

“We called for a military intifada against the enemy. Resistance will continue through suicide missions.”

He also said:

“Neither rockets nor suicide operations are absurd, but negotiations are.”

Doubtless Khameini didn’t mean to rile Meshaal or anyone else with his fatwa, and is on the line to Damascus right now arguing against suicide bombings. Obligatory action by “all the Islamic world’s pious people “in any way possible”, even if it ends in martyrdom, means stubbing your toe on your way to a peace march or something like that, I guess.

‘Oh wait, I thought they were just retaliating against a recent upsurge in rocket attacks?’

You can critize Israeleans for a lot of things, but critize them for carefull planning ?
I’ll guess they have learned from the partly fiasco in the latest war against Hizbollah.

Yes, when Iran’s supreme leader, that is, the leader of a country that backs the terrorists of Hamas and Hezbollah and has carried out terrorist operations of its own, calls for action by “all the Islamic world’s pious people” “in any way possible” and specifically mentions martyrdom, it is absolutely, positively racist to say he is advocating suicide bombing.

Yet if you study terrorism, revolutionary/marxist/ islamist, “by any means necessary” necessarily includes terrorism and targeting of ‘enemy’ civilians.

A group of hardline clerics who do not recognise Israel (sorry, the Zionist entity) at all are on their way ‘to fight’

http://www.asharqalawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=1&id=15194

We’ll see how the followers of the Ayatollah interpret the fatwa in the coming few days and weeks, I suspect. The fatwa could be deemed ‘irresponsible’ if there were only noble intentions.

Steve, I’m afraid that demonstrates your bias. If a white person says protect women, children and the defenceless, you see that as self-defence. If a Muslim religious leader says the same, you automatically assume he’s advocating suicide bombings. That’s hardly a balanced viewpoint is it?
You don’t think there are religious Muslim mullahs who are anti-terrorist?

Boyo:
Maybe so, but as I’ve tried to explain before, one side is as bad as the other and only outside intervention will work. Taking sides just perpetuates matters.

As I said, I’m not taking sides – I think both sides are to blame for the breakdown of peace. Unlike Harry’s Place, I’m not just blaming one side.

However, I do balk at then saying that the death of one Israeli is the same as the death of 300 Palestinians, because its not. If some Palestinian bomber had launched such a huge bomb that killed 300 Israelies and injured over a 1000, we’d see full scale invasion already in retaliation.

So the double standards are all yours.

It has no place in a sensible adult debate.

I am from a people who have been bullied, reviled and murdered for 2000 years, some of whom would like the opportunity to co-exist peacefully, within secure borders, in what we have always considered to be our ancestral home.

I actually know what fascism and nazi-ism means, intemperate use of those words demean them and take away their sting.

Racist? You dare call me racist? It is Hamas in particular, that calls for the destruction of the Jews, and non-Jews on this site who criticise a whole people collectively.

As we used to say in sixties ‘War’s a bad scene, Man’, and indeed it is, for once the scholar, or the doctor, or the farmer, or whatever, gets a weapon in his hand, he becomes an extension of that weapon, and don’t kid yourselves that you would behave with any more dignity or humanity.

And as for who made me, if you mean who made me, then obviously it was my mother and father. If you mean who made me chairwoman, it was that mosquito in Venice back in 2004

Israel wouldn’t do that and any sane and informed person knows that. If they’d wanted to annihilate the Arabs of Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem they would have done so. The Arab populations of each of these places has increased massively since both 1948 and 1967 and continues to expand.

To go on such vile head-trips is somewhat depraved in itself, isn’t it?

“Fug – What a nasty little toad you are, along with your cohorts Hasabara and Reality.

Your cod sympathy for the ‘greater Jewish community’ turns my stomach.

You got antisemitism? Bring it on, I’ve heard it all before”

Yep because a few nasty comments about a racist state which collectively starves and slaughters an entire people “turns your stomach” more than the death of Ay-rab women and children. What a true zionist you are.

You are more concerned someone will say something unkind about your pirate state than with that same state creating a new Warsaw ghetto.

Were Israel to annihiliate the entire Arab population of Gaza, the west bank and East Jerusalem the main concern of zionists would be that someone might criticise Israel. This is the depraved mentality we are dealing with.

Im glad a fascist racist Nazi like you condemns me -I wear every zionazi invective as a badge of pride

And who made you chairwoman anyway? Was it G-d in the Bible?

i just read that as well. It was a very good piece.