India & Pakistan tensions rise


by Sunny
27th December, 2008 at 4:41 pm    

I don’t know why this is happening but it’s worrying:

Pakistan has begun moving some troops away from its western border with Afghanistan and has stopped soldiers from going on leave amid rising tensions with India, Pakistani officials said Friday. Two of the officials said the troops were headed to the border with India in the east.

The move is likely to frustrate the United States, which has been pressing Pakistan to battle militants in its lawless northwest territories and working hard to cool tempers in the two nuclear-armed countries, following terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India, last month. Indian officials have blamed a Pakistani militant group for the attacks. By late Friday there was little to indicate that the troop movements constituted a major redeployment.

This shows little sign of turning into a full scale war yet, but accusations are certainly still being thrown around. An Indian minister has accused Pakistan of war hysteria, while Pak President is trying to lower tensions.

In a reference to the US and India, Zardari said, “I want to tell the oldest democracy and the largest democracy of the world–listen to us, learn from us. We have experiences to share with you. We have lost our people-we do not not talk about war, we do not not talk about vengeance”. Without directly naming India but in an obvious reference to it, the President said, “in case there are people in the region who feel that they want to test our mettle, I would like to tell them that this mettle has been tested many times. Please do not not test it again.”

My feeling is that the Indian govt is raising tensions because it has paid off recently with Pakistan acting against its militant groups, and because many Indians are still angry at their government for failing to protect them adequately.


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  1. bharat patel — on 27th December, 2008 at 6:00 pm  

    i am on india’s side, tbh

  2. platinum786 — on 27th December, 2008 at 11:02 pm  

    Why this is happening? If I told you what I’d think you’d disregards the facts I am about to put before you and rather you’d focus on my opinions and give me the usual rhetoric.

    Here are some facts as to why this is happening:

    1. India has violated Pakistani airpsace. This occurred on DECEMBER 14th. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7782101.stm

    2. India moved troops towards the Pakistani border. This occured on Dec 22nd. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India_steps_up_vigil_along_Rajasthan_border/articleshow/3871982.cms

    3. Indian troops opened fire on Pakistani troops in Kashmir on December 24th. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2008/12/mil-081224-irna01.htm

    4. India threatened Pakistan with a strike on the 26th December. http://www.stratfor.com/memberships/129459/geopolitical_diary/20081222_geopolitical_diary_countdown_crisis_subcontinent

    5. There was a failed car bombing in Karachi on Dec 23rd. http://geo.tv/12-23-2008/31180.htm

    6. On Dec 24th simultaneous car bombings occurred in Lahore and Karachi. 7 INDIANS have been arrested in connection to the attacks. http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=117537&d=26&m=12&y=2008

    7. India has failed to provide any evidence to Interpol regarding a Pakistani connection to the Mumbai attacks. Neither has it shared any evidence with Interpol. http://www.geo.tv/12-23-2008/31178.htm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7796993.stm

    I would say the Indians are war mongering and Pakistan has responded. I think that Mumbai is being blamed in Pakistani’s to avoid having to deal with the fact that India has an internal terrorism problem, an issue that nobody wants to deal with close to election time.

  3. Parvinder — on 27th December, 2008 at 11:03 pm  

    too right, India is still angry. Nothing has changed. The terror camps in Mussafarbad are still there and whatever Zidari does (he’s not in control), the army and ISI will keep the pretence up.

    Mumbia is the line in the sand. Indian Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs and Christians will take nothing less than the camps be dismantled and the ISI come clean…

    Plantinimum 666: what do you expect? don’t you recognise sections of Pakistan and its western region has become the new Taliban infested hotbed?

  4. digitalcntrl — on 28th December, 2008 at 12:18 am  

    “2. India moved troops towards the Pakistani border. This occured on Dec 22nd.”

    This rumor proved to be false according to the Pakistani Army.

    http://www.pakwatan.com/gov_detail.php?id=642

    Please do not pass of rumor and innuendo as fact.

    “3. Indian troops opened fire on Pakistani troops in Kashmir on December 24th.”

    This was merely alleged by the Pakistani army. Does not say much given Indian/Pakistani history

    “5. There was a failed car bombing in Karachi on Dec 23rd.”

    Your point?

    “6. On Dec 24th simultaneous car bombings occurred in Lahore and Karachi. 7 INDIANS have been arrested in connection to the attacks.”

    Please get your facts straight there was one car bombing (from your own article) and while I don’t discount that Indian nationals may have been involved it certainly very suspicious that it happens now when Pakistan is diplomatically cornered. This was the reason for the recent travel advisory against Indians going to Pakistan. Prudent I would say.

    “7. India has failed to provide any evidence to Interpol regarding a Pakistani connection to the Mumbai attacks.”

    You have to be kidding me. The terrorist’s father in Pakistan admitted Kasab was his son according to the Guardian.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/07/mumbai-terrorism-india-pakistan1

    The FBI grilled Kasab for nine hours and concluded not only was he from Pakistan but that he was trained by LET.

    http://www.dawn.com/2008/12/17/top2.htm

    This is in addition to satellite intercepts and Kasab’s statements.

    All of this is out in the open. Denialism at this point is laughable.

  5. Zak — on 28th December, 2008 at 1:56 am  

    I suggest watching Rageh Omars documentry on whats going on in Pakistan
    http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/general/2008/12/200812211123302404.html

  6. Jai — on 28th December, 2008 at 2:20 pm  

    Digitalcntrl.

    Excellent points in #4. A few more comments I’d like to add:

    Please get your facts straight there was one car bombing (from your own article) and while I don’t discount that Indian nationals may have been involved it certainly very suspicious that it happens now when Pakistan is diplomatically cornered.

    Didn’t the Taliban (or an affiliated group) actually claim responsibility shortly afterwards for the bombing in Lahore ?

    This is in addition to satellite intercepts and Kasab’s statements.

    Not only that, but the FBI has also investigated the evidence and the US agrees that Pakistan-based groups were behind the attack.

    All of this is out in the open. Denialism at this point is laughable.

    Agreed absolutely. The ongoing denial by Platinum786 and indeed by the Pakistani government in the face of all the evidence is becoming ridiculous.

  7. Jai — on 28th December, 2008 at 3:25 pm  

    The ongoing denial by Platinum786 and indeed by the Pakistani government in the face of all the evidence is becoming ridiculous.

    Come to think of it, it’s so ridiculous that it’s like some demented Monty Python sketch.

    For example:

    Mr Pakistan and Mr India are walking down the street one day. Mr Pakistan suddenly trips, falls over, and ends up sprawled on the pavement.

    Mr India: You appear to have fallen over, old chap.

    Mr Pakistan: I have not fallen over.

    Mr India: I’m afraid you have, my dear boy. Here, let me help you up.

    Mr Pakistan: I have certainly not fallen over and I resent your attempts to misrepresent and malign me.

    Mr India: I can see you lying on the pavement right in front of me, for God’s sake.

    Mr Pakistan: There is no evidence to indicate this and I would advise you not to attempt to inflame the situation further.

    Mr India: Let me take a photo of you with my digital camera. *click* Right, take a look at the screen. There you are.

    Mr Pakistan: I have not seen any evidence confirming that I have fallen over, or that the individual clearly visible in the photo is indeed me.

    [FBI guy walks by]

    Mr India: FBI guy, please look at this photo. Does it show that Mr Pakistan is currently sprawled on the pavement three feet in front of us ?

    FBI guy: I have carefully examined the evidence and I can confirm that Mr Pakistan has indeed fallen over, as indicated in the photo.

    Mr Pakistan: I have not fallen over and even if I had, I do not believe Mr India has the courage to do anything about it, or indeed that he should have the audacity to look at me funny.

    Mr India: Right, that’s it. Enough is enough. I’m exercising the nuclear option.

    Mr Pakistan: I am fully capable of dealing comprehensively with any measures you take in your warmongering efforts to escalate matters.

    Mr India: I’m pressing the metaphorical big red button right now — meaning, no more bootleg Shahrukh Khan movies for you.

    Mr Pakistan: In that case, can we have Adnan Sami back ?

    Mr India: No.

  8. Vikrant — on 28th December, 2008 at 6:05 pm  

    My feeling is that the Indian govt is raising tensions

    Is that an attempt at neutrality Sunny?

    @Jai:

    haha… i totally agree with your comment #7. Unfortunately hating India and Indians it seems has become and indelible part of Pakistan’s national psyche.

  9. Sidhu_Kam — on 28th December, 2008 at 6:06 pm  

    Denial Express from likes of Platinum not surprised at all but how Pakistan gets away with it is surely down to likes of the USA not pressing it too hard! The US and Britain have provided Pakistan evidence of the involvement of elements within the country in the Mumbai terror attacks but western diplomats believe Islamabad has “not done enough” in terms of acting on the intelligence.

    Not just India but British and American investigators amassed a large amount of technical and human intelligence that was subsequently passed on to Pakistan!

    Sleuths from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation, who were given access to Amjal Amir Iman, the lone gunman captured during the attacks, were convinced he is a Pakistani national and that the terrorist strike was planned and coordinated by elements in Pakistan.

    But Pak is still harking down the alley of blind deafness!

    The sources said the most clinching evidence on the involvement of Pakistani elements was provided by the British authorities. In fact, British intelligence operatives were so convinced of the Pakistani links to the attack that they did not take up an offer to question Iman alias Ajmal Kasab, sources said.

    The US and British authorities have handed over intercepts of satellite and mobile conversations to boot! between the attackers in Mumbai and Pakistan-based elements who were guiding them.

  10. Sunny — on 28th December, 2008 at 6:48 pm  

    Is that an attempt at neutrality Sunny?

    It’s realpolitik, isn’t it?

  11. Sidhu_Kam — on 28th December, 2008 at 9:42 pm  

    tool of convenience that is!

  12. Rayyan — on 29th December, 2008 at 6:47 am  
  13. Zak — on 29th December, 2008 at 8:30 am  

    ^ the sad bit Rayyan is that the party which is being targetted by these attacks the Awami National Party is losing that bye election..it’s leadership cantt canvass for votes and campaign effectively because of death threats while the religo political parties are being left alone.

  14. platinum786 — on 29th December, 2008 at 2:06 pm  

    All your evidence is the Indian media claiming this and that. Whereas Interpol itself has said India has provided no evidence. Interpol is a completely neutral agency.

    Assume for a minute it was done from Pakistan, what are you going to do about it? Your cowardly government has backed down after issuing threats.

  15. Jai — on 29th December, 2008 at 6:18 pm  

    Platinum786:

    All your evidence is the Indian media claiming this and that.

    Since most regular commenters on this blog live in the West, especially the UK and the US, I expect they are also basing their views on the evidence in (for example) the American and British media “claiming this and that”.

    Your cowardly government has backed down after issuing threats.

    So has Pakistan: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7802788.stm

    Incidentally, “your government” ? To whom is this statement directed ? I wasn’t aware that anyone on this thread had declared themselves to be Indian nationals.

    And would you have preferred India to have rapidly acted on its threats and launched military strikes on Pakistan by now, thereby considerably escalating the situation and potentially precipitating an all-out (possibly nuclear) war ? Would that make the Indian government less “cowardly”, in your esteemed opinion ?

    Assume for a minute it was done from Pakistan, what are you going to do about it?

    What do you suggest India should do about it ?

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