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    Police lie about environmental protesters


    by Sunny on 16th December, 2008 at 1:13 am    

    Oh look, the police have admitted to lying about apparent “injuries” sustained during a protest at Kingsnorth power station.

    Police minister Vernon Coaker has apologised for telling Parliament that 70 officers were injured dealing with protests at Kingsnorth power station. His comments came after it was revealed that injuries sustained during policing at the Climate Camp in August included insect stings and heat exhaustion. There were only 12 reportable injuries, according to a Freedom of Information (FoI) request by the Liberal Democrats.

    Lying bastards. Is it any surprise that environmental protesters are antagonistic towards the police?



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    16 Comments below   |  

    1. fugstar — on 16th December, 2008 at 9:34 am  

      police always lie politically about protesting. i think they need to be decarbonised.

    2. marvin — on 16th December, 2008 at 9:42 am  

      This is really quite outrageous.

      Lying bastards. Is it any surprise that environmental protesters are antagonistic towards the police?

      100% agree. Though not just environmental protesters, there’s a wider issue a stake here. Trust in the police seems to be eroding, and fast, with high profile cases like this.

      Time for elected police chiefs answerable to the people. They are already politicised.

    3. fugstar — on 16th December, 2008 at 9:51 am  

      how is electing them going to make us safer? it will only make busybodies who are already safe and with too much spare time more infuencial.

      i think something altogether more sophisticated is required, as well as time.

    4. dave bones — on 16th December, 2008 at 11:02 am  

      I don’t find environmental protesters that antagonistic to police. Anarchists yes, but enviromentalists? I mean once they are locked onto something they tend to stay there but thats not antagonism its metal and concrete usually.

    5. Dave S — on 16th December, 2008 at 11:43 am  

      I’m not even remotely surprised about this admission, but it won’t change anything.

      Meanwhile, my friend’s arm - broken in several places by police at the Climate Camp, because he was stood in the “wrong” place - has only just healed.

      Also Sunny, I disagree with you that environmental protesters are antagonistic towards the police. Environmental protesters generally don’t want anything to do with the police, and ignore them as much as possible. In fact, we’d quite like it if they’d all bugger off and leave us alone to our peaceful and generally well-targeted protest.

      The police initiate the antagonism, because it is what their political masters have told them to do in the face of perhaps the last remaining effective means of protest.

      If politicians were in any way interested in actual democracy, accountability, the survival of humanity and the improvement of living conditions for everybody worldwide, then direct action would not be necessary. Instead, politicians have systematically made all other legal forms of protest either illegal or completely ineffective.

      As it is, they choose to crush dissent as swiftly and invisibly as possible, because they can’t have it seen to be possible to change anything by protesting about it. They are not accountable to us in any way, shape or form.

      As soon as voting, writing letters, signing petitions and waving placards changes anything, those will either be made impossible or become illegal “offences” too. (Or more likely, that is why those have not been made illegal - because they change nothing.)

      It’s time for the masses to wake up, smell the coffee and get angry, but I’m sure most will be only too happy to spend the next month (as ever) placated by rampant consumerism and the crap on TV. Oh joy!

    6. marvin — on 16th December, 2008 at 12:07 pm  

      Excellent points Dave S.

      Increase democracy, increase accountability to the people, and step up for our civil rights. It’s a cliché now, but they are being eroded.

      Whilst I may not entirely agree with the methods involved or even some of the ideology of the protestors I want to defend them against an increasingly authoritarian state. I just hope the Tories realised the real danger is authoritarianism.

    7. marvin — on 16th December, 2008 at 12:11 pm  

      p.s. I am not a ‘denier’ I just feel a cool headed approach is more effective IMO in order to protect the environment and get cross society consensus.

    8. ukliberty — on 16th December, 2008 at 4:18 pm  

      Sunny, sorry to nitpick but no-one has admitted to lying at all.

      The police recorded only ‘basic information’ about the injuries (presumably “Inspector Knacker stung by a bee” became “Inspector Knacker injured”?), presumably they only passed on the number ‘injured’; Vernon Coaker sought no further detail, having “naturally assumed” that all the injuries sustained by police were caused by “direct contact” with those horrid protestors, because it was expedient for him not to look into it, and it fit his prejudices; the police didn’t bother to correct Coaker’s misapprehension, presumably because it suited their claims that their numbers and actions were proportionate to the ‘threat’ posed by the “violent” protestors.

      I think that makes it worse than mere lies, and I think it’s effing disgusting. I’m not sure about the direct action against the power station, but I wholly disagree with what the police* got up to at Climate Camp, and the Government turning a blind eye to it.

      Interesting of course there is no mention of numbers of protestors injured, or deterred from attending any further protests because of the actions of the police (from intimidation to physical violence).

      * Although, it must be said that not all the police were bad, there are glowing reports of some from protestors.

    9. The Dude — on 16th December, 2008 at 6:09 pm  

      Four years ago I would not have agreed with the notion of having Police Chief Constables who were elected by the very people they were elected to protect. Then came the two Blairs, who proceeded to ride a coach and horses through common sense and the separation of Police and the State. Now Damian Green, Jean Charles De Mendes, the deliberate misrepresentation of statistics concerning knife crime and this, bare faced lying by the Police, now leave us all with no other viable alternative but the ballot box. Between a dumb Ex Chief Constable (Blair) and even dumber Home Secretary (Smith), public confidence in the police is going to hell in a handcart. For the good of us all, this must be stopped.

    10. Don — on 16th December, 2008 at 7:02 pm  

      Trust in the police seems to be eroding, and fast…

      You don’t remember the 70’s, do you? We are starting from a pretty low baseline here. Having said that, Kingsnorth doesn’t seem to have been a replay of the Battle of the Beanfield.

    11. Rumbold — on 16th December, 2008 at 7:09 pm  

      There are two problems with electing the police: the first is the quality of our elected officials. Would a police force really be better off with a Patricia Hewitt or a Robert-Kilroy Silk in charge of a county force? Keith Vaz as Met commissioner?

      Secondly, there is the populist problem. Police are meant to remained detached from the public whim (as opposed to the public interest). Do we really want a police chief who has to pander to the tabloids in order to have a better chance of getting re-elected?

      Proposals to elect police chiefs just sweep the very real problems with the police under the carpet. We don’t elect doctors, but we respect them nonetheless. We need to restore the link between the average citizen and the average police officer. This could be done by having less form-filling, more preventative crime work, and of course, less laws, allowing the police to concentrate their time and efforts on real crimes.

    12. marvin — on 16th December, 2008 at 9:22 pm  

      At least, Rumbold, they would be directly accountable to the people in the area they are paid to serve, something which at present there appears to be next to no accountability.

      You objections are answered here by the architects of the UK elected police chief scenario

      You don’t remember the 70’s, do you?

      Heh, no I don’t. I was a mere twinkle. 1980 was the year I graced this earth

    13. marvin — on 16th December, 2008 at 9:38 pm  

      Just spotted this article, which contains many of the sentiments expressed here

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/philipjohnston/3796477/We-should-be-shocked-when-the-police-lie.html

    14. Rumbold — on 16th December, 2008 at 9:47 pm  

      Marvin:

      The police exist to uphold the law, which is made by our elected representatives (and the EU). At the moment, the disconnect between the police and citizen is largely due to the laws which Labour have brought in, and the targets that they set for the police. Even if police chiefs were elected, they would still have to enforce the laws.

      Moreover, the ideal of the police is that they represent one of the institutions of Britain (Douglas Carswell has form on attacking anyone who is outside his control: http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2287). This might not seem important to a lot of people, but it is one of the key components of a society with the rule of law. Look, for exmple, at Pakistan- a democracy with weak institutions. The ‘Political Class’, which includes Mr. Carswell, dislike bodies outside their Westminster village that they do not have direct control over. Elections of police chiefs would soon become dominated by the Conservative and Labour parties. Can you see anyone voting for a Liberal Democrat police chief? The Tories and the socialists are the only two political groups with the required experience and members to run such a campaign.

    15. marvin — on 16th December, 2008 at 10:58 pm  

      True they’d still have to ‘uphold the law’ as defined by government, but the law is wide open to interpretation and to methodology. And where is the accountability to the general public? A ballot box for a leader of a political party every 4 years, who will campaign on numerous issues?

      Can you see anyone voting for a Liberal Democrat police chief?

      Why not? It’s not all about party politics. It’s about the person, the personality, the attitude. 878,000 people voted for 1st or 2nd for Brian Paddicks’ candidacy for the London election, including myself.

      In fact, perhaps elected police chiefs should be expressly not part of a political party altogether. Simply campaigning on the issues not on starry eyed ideology on a future utopia. ..

    16. dave bones — on 17th December, 2008 at 2:15 am  

      They are being silly but as some say here- compared to the 70s and ther 80s? orgreave and The Battle of the Beanfield? there is something that was there in Thatcherism that isn’t there now.

      Those who have serious grievances and serious direction in this movement could make a lot of heardway very quickly. Dave S- your friend has a very interesting story. Tell it to the right Policeman. Barry Norman invented the FIT squad. They have unfortunately twisted, I am sad to say. I think he is in charge of violent crime now but he is not shy of saying what he thinks.

      There is a mutual distrust which has developed between Police and protesters which need not be there. TTalk to Brian who was involved in the Stonehenge “Managed Access”. (Great doc on BBC its on googlevid somewhere)

      When our leaders are morally bankrupt and we are also supposed to be finacially bottoming out there is everything to play for for people of vision.

      From what I heard they were over the top, they are institutionally challenged. Respect to this Lib MP for turning up and experiencing for himself.

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