It was their perogative but it meant that the USA didn’t win over the peole in the regionand that is something they are struggling to overcome.

Its frankly absurd to suggest the refusal of the US to enter into negotiations with an organisation that very few recognised as legitimate somehow meant people weren’t ‘won over’; since you’re vociferous in your request for links im sure you’ll be happy to point out which study and/or poll supports that assertion.

It was their perogative, the taliban ‘government’ was only recognised by a few countries.”

It was their perogative but it meant that the USA didn’t win over the peole in the regionand that is something they are struggling to overcome. Less grandstanding at the time and a better approach would have carried world opinion and regional opinion at the time.

That is why I say India needs to avoid the same route and tackle the issue head on and say to the region that here is some of the planning now lets all work together to arrest these killers and show them that as a region we won’t stand for this. That I think is the common sense approach as it brings people with India rather than allowing them to hide behind lack of evidence presented.

That is my worry and I think the best way to show people like those in the BBC survey is by making some of the evidence public.

You’ve not read what I have actually said have you? Instead you shoot your mouth off. I never support the terrorists. What I said clearly and continue to do so is that no excuses should be available for the terrorists and India should present some evidence to stop the various theories that are startign to take hold.

How can that be considered backing terrorists over those killed. It is people like you with their head in the sand who won’t acknowledge that a sustained campaign to marginalise the terrorists is needed,.

Due to previous communal history which you clearly have no idea about and despite the links I have posted to show that people in that region are drifitng towards communal issues you choose to have a go at me and not comprehend that what I am advocating would support the bringing to justice of the terrorists by showing their involvement to all concerened in that region and making their guilt plain to see. That is hardlu support now is it.

Try reading and then commenting.

Show one statement I have made which backs up your fairytale of a story which is nothign but a work of fiction.

Yes they did. Where did they present there evidence at the time?

This depends on what the conspiracy theorists mean by ‘time’ the case against Zacarias Moussaoui was presented to a grand jury for indictment in December 2001; what you’re possibly saying is the US refused to negotiate with the taliban, which is true.

It was their perogative, the taliban ‘government’ was only recognised by a few countries.

It shows that the seeds of conspiracy theories and communal history are being allowed to gain ground.

In order to combat this India should release some of the phone tap evidence it says and the USA say they have in order to stop this nonsense from continuing.

The fact is that terrorism and indiscriminate killing are a scrouge on humanity and in order to defeat them means dispelling such myths.

Although I dislike Sid for his over the top style, I would agree with him on the fact that noone can support the indiscrimiate caranage that is being wrought. Where I differ is that I say we use the evidence to hand to expose the people who did this as liars and not rely on unnamed sources from the USA to act as judge and jury.

The evidence is there so lets bring it forth and expose these people as killers and liars to people in the region who are exposed to different reporting.

Please

Here you go”

Well well well. You made your claims last week as fact. Your inly reliance is on a report today. So when you made the claims you have failed to provide zero links to back up your claims from the time which implies that you were chancing you absolute facts which you claimed at the time.

This is reporting of the worst sort in not actually having any facts at the time and claiming it as fact.

It really exposes your style and is a sad reflection of what is being permitted here. Any publication would find this behaviour unacceptable from an editorial member.

This should really dull your fan base because when you told them and smearedme in reality you relied on chance you were correct. Brilliant!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/south_asia_mumbai_attacks0_karachi_voices/html/6.stm

this is hy i am saying release some of the evidence to counter this.
For saying this I am being smeared by a member of the editorial team because he is claiming people believe his fairy tale.

It is only acceptable to Islamacists. Not Muslims.”

No one is happy about that. The point is that the information we have over here these people may not have. In the examples I gave above, national news media in Pakistan is saying that the evidence isn’t concrete so already there is doubt being put into peoples minds.

To counter that something needs to be done otherwise the conspiracy theories grow.

It isn’t great but the fact is that due to decades of mistrust in that region then people will increasingly blame the wrong parties unless somethign is done rapidly.

Many theories already abound and it can only get worse unless this is checked now.

It isn’t the violence that is acceptable it is the fact that there are denial stories which people may naively accept due to lack of evidence. So there is no harm in putting before people some evidence to say yes they did this.

The point is this issue needs to be raised above the communal level of violence which allows criminals to get away with such acts. Its happened before and is happening again. Communal loyalty is being used to deny justice.

I go to Bangladesh quite often and I can assure you that terrorists are regarded as scum by ordinary people. Don’t try to speak on behalf of an entire nation and super-impose your disgusting bedroom-jihadi ideas upon ordinary peace-loving people.”

Oh please you are asking everyone to accept that in a conservative society they pour out their heart to someone who isn’t even Muslim. Right get over yourself man.

Clearly there are conspiracy theories going around and I’ve given you links so people are spreading rumours. To counter that you need to win hearts and minds by showing people that these people did it and not rely on the fact that Judge Sid Dred-ful said so.

“disgusting bedroom-jihadi ideas upon ordinary peace-loving people.”

Your usual smear tactics are up again. But it shows how you desperatly go to new gutter levels to smear people. Further up you said there were training camps for terrorists in Bangladesh and now your saying they are peace loving. Switching stories to suit your current fairy tale.

Clearly given the fact that there are conspiracy theories down to the fact the arrestedman had something on his wrist causing some of your SE Asian bruvvers to say that he is Hindu to warrant a hearts and mind campaign.

But no because you Sid have decided that people are guilty that should be enough because oh I forgot you said so.

But the evidence which is emerging with conspiracy theories is contrary. So something needs to be done.

I choose taht India makes some of its evidence public to refute these people.

You choose to say nothings wrong.

Lets see what happens but when people say it was Hindus, Mossad and the CIA in increasing numbers you better be man enough to stand up and admit your are wrong.

You are turning into a complete moron here. You say this:

Kurd and Shia and that the latter two factions are broadly Pro-US presence) but as soon as Islamist violence eg. bombings start in ones home country many desis start to feel the impact of such actions and begin to turn against such actions.

If they have any sense whatsoever, of course they do!

I’d have forgiven you that lapse, who am I to forgive anyones’ lapse, but you are such an ignorant moron to follow it up with this:

Too often govt proclamations against Islamist violence in BD, India and Pak is seen as govts reacting to Western pressure and is viewed with cynicism.

Why should Islamist violence anywhere be acceptable to anyone? It is Muslims these jihadists kill. You happy about that?

It is only acceptable to Islamacists. Not Muslims.

You are a really annoying piece of bacon.

Remember the axion: One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

As long as islamist violence is occuring in Iraq and Afghanistan it is often seen in romantiic terms as Muslim brothers fighting the good fight against Kaffirs (most Bangladeshis I spoke to are not aware that Iraq is split in three between Sunni,. Kurd and Shia and that the latter two factions are broadly Pro-US presence) but as soon as Islamist violence eg. bombings start in ones home country many desis start to feel the impact of such actions and begin to turn against such actions.

Too often govt proclamations against Islamist violence in BD, India and Pak is seen as govts reacting to Western pressure and is viewed with cynicism. Govt’s need to convince their ppl and take them with them. No doublespeak should be allowed eg. Pak entities like ISI helping terrorists while the govt swears blind they’ve closed all the training camps.

Are you freaking serious? With many conspiracy theories already making the rounds of course you need show evidence to win the hearts and minds of people.

Imran Khan, all the evidence they need is this: that a group of men killed indiscriminately as many people as they could. That is a fact.

You are smearing the people of Bangladesh and Pakistan by saying that they need to understand their motives before feeling empathy with the people that died in the hands of those murderers, or otherwise they are seen as heroes. One would expect that sort of smear from Islamophobes like Melanie Philips.

Anyone with a single brain cell can see that to convince people in Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. that these people are simply not fighting for freedom but killing indiscriminately means winning the minds of people.

In other words the people need to be convinced that terorists are not freedom fighters. And this will require “winning the minds”.

I go to Bangladesh quite often and I can assure you that terrorists are regarded as scum by ordinary people. Don’t try to speak on behalf of an entire nation and super-impose your disgusting bedroom-jihadi ideas upon ordinary peace-loving people.

I think you’ve been hoisted with your own petard. Again.”

And there you have it its your twist and smear on things and not actually what was said.

What it means is that to utterly destroy the claim made by terrorist that they are fighting for freedom means showing even partially the evidence that they are cunning, pre-planning indiscriminate killers and thereby winning the minds of people in the region by exposing these people for what they are.

Not that I like you but if you could put aside your rampant hatred for me you’d see that by opening themselves up the organisations thought to be implicated in these attacks are trying to convince people of their innocence. To counter that your unnamed sources with snippets of information are not good enough. It needs some of the evidence out in the open so people can call them what they are and the calls to bring them to justice is clear.

Your gross distortion of my words and now wriggling to get out of your own mess simply highlights why you can’t grasp what is needed to win this battle and counter this ideology.

Oh and if minds didn’t have to be won why did the terrorists open up to new organisations. Due to the previous intelligance failures most people will be suspicious of claims by western spy agencies and due to hostilities of Indian claims thus the evidence should be brought forth to put that to rest. It is a simple concept except you are not wanting to see this is the best way forward so instead of saying possibly you smear me for saying it.

again ask your own editorial colleagues for an impartial review and lets see. Are you willing to do that?

It is a fair test – an impartial review by one of the other editorial team. lets see if you are up for that challange or will you run away.

Me saying:

“Anyone with a single brain cell can see that to convince people in Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. that these people are simply not fighting for freedom but killing indiscriminately means winning the minds of people.”

You writing a bunch of fiction as what I said:

“Let’s be sure about what you are doing here. You are suggesting that that the large majority of Bangladeshis are jihadis and extremists!”

Is a complete and utter distortion of what I said, the wording I used and the spirit in which I said it.

So bring out the Chief Editor to back you up and lets see if he agrees with twist.

Anyone with a single brain cell can see that to convince people in Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. that these people are simply not fighting for freedom but killing indiscriminately means winning the minds of people.

To me this means that Bangladeshis and Pakistanis have the belief that Jihadi terrorists are “fighting for freedom”. And to convince them that they are “killing indiscriminately means winning the minds of people.”

I think you’ve been hoisted with your own petard. Again.