I believe in Only One God the Almighty the One who has Created the Earth the one who is Loving and Kind
But we Call Him God
Father Of Christ .
He is The true God and Very Powerful.
He has Created the mankind.

Prove it!!

If you can understand Urdu then here is a video for you;

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0sw6Qyqjh04

Now don’t be a hypocrite and immediately declare Maulana Qasim Nanutw founder of the Darul-Aloom Deoband a non-Muslim as he believes the same as Ahmadis regarding Khatme Nabuwat.

Why aren’t Ahmadis Muslim? Because they think a prophet can come after Muhammad? Following people also believe that a prophet can come; Mawlana Rumi, Ibn Arabi, Hazrat Imam Abu Ja’far Sadiq, Hazrat Shah Wali Ullah Muhaddith of Dehli,Hazrat Maulana Faranghi Mahal, Imam Raghib, Muhammad Qasim Nanotwi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_the_prophets

Do you think they are all non-Muslim too? Please elaborate as I am totally unsure why you think Ahmadis are non-Muslim even though they hold the same beliefs as many scholars before them.

Wouldn’t be great of the “blacks” where able to say “we don’t recognize OJ Simpson any more, he’s not black man”. I’d like to reject Mira Hindly, I don’t think that she is white.

TFI

Dear Editor and Readers,

I have learnt with concern about the decision of the Indian Muslim Council, not to allow the burial of the 9 killed Mumbai attackers, on an islamic graveyard

As a reason, the Council declares, that the attackers cannot be held muslims, because they went against the teachings of Islam
Another Council-member said, that the attackers had defamed the religion.

See also:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7758651.stm

Of course I agree with the fact, that the Mumbai attacks, being crimes against humanity, are in contrary with the teachings of the Islam

However, viewed from a religious perspective, the decision of the Indian Muslim Council is, too, a defamation of the teachings of the Islam, being based on respect for every human being, regardless of descent or committed crime

The denial of a grave is not only one of the most extreme signs of disrespect, it is also a
violation of the right on human dignity, which is confirmed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

See Preambule:

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

Also the allegation, that those attackers were no muslims, makes no sense, because they were practising the Islam, althouigh their interpretation was totally wrong

It is evident, that the killed Mumbai attackers are guilty to very serious crimes, for which they would be held accountable on earth, in a fair and independent trial, according to international standards. [1]

However, now they have passed on, no Council or other authority has the right to deny them eternal peace on a graveyards
The Council, based on the teachings of Islam, should set the example of humanity and respect

Kind regards

Astrid Essed
Amsterdam
The Netherlands

[1]

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/12/01/india-respect-rights-hunt-mumbai-conspirators

In any case, I don’t real care if they are fed to the dogs. I rather think about the victims, and the heroes that always appear in these tragic times. One of the inspiring stories is the nanny who saved the little boy after the parents were tortured and killed. This and other stories make me really sad and depressed.

It’s not the first time this signal has been sent. Its heartening that it was listened to and interpreted by non muslims though.

Would be terrorists are estranged from community based organisations anyway, but perhaps not their close family.

So what might be even better would be for the heartache of the greiving parents of the terrorists to be listened for. That was the case of the father of one of the 7/7 attackers. he was roaming restlessly and didnt know what to do.

Drawback would be of possible indian public lynching though.

It is shameful – when did you accept that sort of terminology? Do you realise where it comes from?

http://pakistanidefenceforum.com//index.php?showtopic=78506

If you want to know more about the wide variety of people on the forum, i suggest you join it, it’s more than a military forum. Your understanding of it is rather skewed. I am a Kashmiri myself, the forum has more people from Karachi than it does from Punjab, and we have members from Balouchistan and NWFP too. Even people who currently reside in FATA.

Outiside of that we have members from, China, India, Bangladesh, Thailand, Malaysia, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Qatar, UAE, UK, USA, Canada, Australia, Russia, Taiwan, Denmark, Sweden, France, Germany, Italy. These are ones I’ve interacted with and can confirm of the top of my head.

Attempts to misrepresent me in order to malign my views, will not be successful as “some people” have tried.

How much longer will it be before the courageous nations of the Free World declare absolute and total war on these murderous Jihadis?

I have a very good view of cultural Islam, Islamic arts etc. I worked for many years as a traditional Islamic architect in an earlier career.

I have quite a good understanding of Islamic theology and fiqh. This is why when you come up with bullshit about “scholars ban mixed marriages in Islam” as you have in another thread, you will be corrected by people more knowledgable in Islamic fiqh, such as me.

I have a very jaundiced view of religious supremacism, Islamist authoritarian politics and exceptionalism – which all falls under political Islam.

Platinum, I can well understand your confusion about whether Sid is acquainted with the fundamentals of Islam. Perhaps Sid’s comment (no. 57 on his ‘Saudi Pecking Order’ thread) will illuminate matters: ‘bananabrain, I would rather not regard myself as an apostate, even though I may be one technically, because I would like to see my children grow up’. When writing articles about Muslim-related issues (as Sid often does) perhaps it would be instructive to mention that the writer Sid considers himself possibly to be an apostate. I’m sure we can agree this will have an impact on his (universally negative) viewpoints on Islam & Muslims.

And Platinum, I’ve read your comments on the Pakistani military forum you inhabit and must say that you did condone the Mumbai attacks. Despite the legitimate grievances of Indian Muslims and Kashmiris, violence is not going to solve their problems. Are you a Kashmiri or a Punjabi Pakistani? In my experience Indian and Pakistani military forums tend to have Punjabi/North Indian armchair nationalists salivating over the number of tanks and missiles each army has, despite both being third world unprofessional and corrupt forces where an airforce plane crashes every other day due to basic piloting errors and lack of maintenance.

Ive heard of the refusal to bury in South Asia before, probably in the cases of executed terrorists in Bangladesh. Its more at the sociological end than the pure theological end. I think its an interesting synthesis of hindic (shame) and islamic (burial) ethic.

‘Even the earth won’t accept you, for you denied your role as it’s custodian and created mischeif’

There are tonnes of other graveyards in India, or wherever they end up coming from. This one’s refusal is useful for those looking for ‘categorical, condemnation’ from the innocent and non responsible.

Its a symbol that a lot of people are looking for. Not sure if its a piece of fiqh. Its more emotional and pragmatic. Also, can you imagine the risk of general desecration to the organisation?

there might be some ‘symbolism’ for the ‘religious establishment’ trying to indicate it thinks this is a bad thing -but it can do that anyway surely without interfering with burial/cremation/what to do with the dead bodies. there is a lot of obsession with ‘honour’ and burial and clearly that’s where it comes from, but its all a bit much. this kind of ‘vengeance’ is really not very helpful. don’t see why it should be a ‘muslim’ organisations’ responsibility to bury them though. if they want to take it up for ‘humane/muslim duty’ reasons then fine, but i don’t see why they should be foisted with it either. make much more sense to ask the families (assuming we know who they are!) what they want. or however the indian state would deal with it but given everyone is so hung up on burial rites/religion link in india, i daresay its not surprising this ‘debate’ is coming up.

Sid you suggest that I have supported their actions, prove it. Provide a single shred of evidence. Just 1 would do.

“Platinum786″, you are already on record as saying you don’t give a damn about this atrocity and the associated deaths of hundreds of innocent people because you don’t like Indians.

This implies that, in some measure, you are glad that this has happened and therefore support the terrorists’ actions.

for example, drinking alchohol, makes you a disobedient Muslim, declaring it Haram, means you are oppsing the word of Allah, that makes you a Non Muslim.