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		<title>By: Shamit</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2524/comment-page-1#comment-137576</link>
		<dc:creator>Shamit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leon you really thought the Unity piece was excellent.

It was reeking of partisan positioning -- everything Tory is wrong -- and trying to defend a heavy handedness and confusing &quot;conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office&quot; with Official Secrets Act.

And why is it not in the public interest to know the Home Secretary&#039;s Opinion (who is ultimately responsible for law and order in the UK) on crime? 

And police going in and searching an MP&#039;s office in the houses of Parliament is not good for our democracy.  Our whole system of democracy is based on the premise that Parliament is supreme.

And I also find it bizzare like many others here that the Government is claiming no knowledge prior to the fact. But in their defence I don&#039;t think the Labour Ministers are that stupid to sanction this.

May be it was Ian Blair fiasco in his last day as Commissioner..&quot;yeah I got a MP&#039;s office searched by anti-terror officers in my last day who is Tory front bench&quot; . You can put nothing past Sir Ian.  

You also have to wonder about the Speaker&#039;s backbone...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leon you really thought the Unity piece was excellent.</p>
<p>It was reeking of partisan positioning &#8212; everything Tory is wrong &#8212; and trying to defend a heavy handedness and confusing &#8220;conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office&#8221; with Official Secrets Act.</p>
<p>And why is it not in the public interest to know the Home Secretary&#8217;s Opinion (who is ultimately responsible for law and order in the UK) on crime? </p>
<p>And police going in and searching an MP&#8217;s office in the houses of Parliament is not good for our democracy.  Our whole system of democracy is based on the premise that Parliament is supreme.</p>
<p>And I also find it bizzare like many others here that the Government is claiming no knowledge prior to the fact. But in their defence I don&#8217;t think the Labour Ministers are that stupid to sanction this.</p>
<p>May be it was Ian Blair fiasco in his last day as Commissioner..&#8221;yeah I got a MP&#8217;s office searched by anti-terror officers in my last day who is Tory front bench&#8221; . You can put nothing past Sir Ian.  </p>
<p>You also have to wonder about the Speaker&#8217;s backbone&#8230;</p>
<p>Good points C Chandra@16</p>
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		<title>By: C Chandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Chandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone, Right or Left, should be shocked and worried by this heavy-handed action by police shock-troops. This country is turning authoritarian and it seems to me that readers of this blog should be asking themselves if gloating because this has happened to a Tory politician is a sensible reaction. What will you say when the Tories are back in power and it is Labour mp&#039;s being arrested?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone, Right or Left, should be shocked and worried by this heavy-handed action by police shock-troops. This country is turning authoritarian and it seems to me that readers of this blog should be asking themselves if gloating because this has happened to a Tory politician is a sensible reaction. What will you say when the Tories are back in power and it is Labour mp&#8217;s being arrested?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve55</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems this is all about the leaking of home office documents concerning immigration and other matters to Green and the police arrested him and searched his office at the Palace of Westminster as part of this. This raises all sorts of questions such as why go after the recipient of the leaked papers when he&#039;s using them to pursue his role as an opposition spokesman - I should think the public interest defence is very strong - secondly why were anti-terrorist squad officers involved and why was it neccessary for nine of them to arrest him, why did the Speaker allow an MP&#039;s office to be searched in this way for what we are led to believe was a relatively trivial matter, and given that Boris Johnson and David Cameron were both informed in advance how come the Home Secretary was not informed? I don&#039;t know which is worse actually - that she knew about this and allowed it to go ahead or that the police went ahead and did this while telling the opposition but not her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems this is all about the leaking of home office documents concerning immigration and other matters to Green and the police arrested him and searched his office at the Palace of Westminster as part of this. This raises all sorts of questions such as why go after the recipient of the leaked papers when he&#8217;s using them to pursue his role as an opposition spokesman &#8211; I should think the public interest defence is very strong &#8211; secondly why were anti-terrorist squad officers involved and why was it neccessary for nine of them to arrest him, why did the Speaker allow an MP&#8217;s office to be searched in this way for what we are led to believe was a relatively trivial matter, and given that Boris Johnson and David Cameron were both informed in advance how come the Home Secretary was not informed? I don&#8217;t know which is worse actually &#8211; that she knew about this and allowed it to go ahead or that the police went ahead and did this while telling the opposition but not her.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Marshland</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2524/comment-page-1#comment-137483</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Marshland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the police informed Cameron, Johnson and the Speaker of the Commons of the forthcoming arrest, the claim the Home Secretary wasn&#039;t informed is ridiculous. After all it was the Home Office that started the inquiry in the first place. Jaqui Smith owes us an explanation if Stasi type terror police are to be given a free reign to arrest and search the homes of innocent people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the police informed Cameron, Johnson and the Speaker of the Commons of the forthcoming arrest, the claim the Home Secretary wasn&#8217;t informed is ridiculous. After all it was the Home Office that started the inquiry in the first place. Jaqui Smith owes us an explanation if Stasi type terror police are to be given a free reign to arrest and search the homes of innocent people.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2524/comment-page-1#comment-137476</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is always difficult to comment on stories when there is so little information available, but it is interesting how the reaction from the Conservatives seems to be “how dare you arrest him- he is an MP. Aren’t they supposed to be above the law? He’s one of us.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yep, agree on both counts. There seems to be a little bit of a phycological impact with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is always difficult to comment on stories when there is so little information available, but it is interesting how the reaction from the Conservatives seems to be “how dare you arrest him- he is an MP. Aren’t they supposed to be above the law? He’s one of us.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Yep, agree on both counts. There seems to be a little bit of a phycological impact with this.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve55:

Well, if he turns out to have been arrested for merely passing on suppressed information, that is bad. But I will wait and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve55:</p>
<p>Well, if he turns out to have been arrested for merely passing on suppressed information, that is bad. But I will wait and see.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve55</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually there&#039;s a sense in which that is true - that&#039;s the whole notion of &#039;parliamentary privilege&#039;. Also a lot of the laws passed by Parliament specifically exclude Parliament itself from their operation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually there&#8217;s a sense in which that is true &#8211; that&#8217;s the whole notion of &#8216;parliamentary privilege&#8217;. Also a lot of the laws passed by Parliament specifically exclude Parliament itself from their operation.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is always difficult to comment on stories when there is so little information available, but it is interesting how the reaction from the Conservatives seems to be &quot;how dare you arrest him- he is an MP. Aren&#039;t they supposed to be above the law? He&#039;s one of &lt;em&gt;us&lt;/em&gt;.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is always difficult to comment on stories when there is so little information available, but it is interesting how the reaction from the Conservatives seems to be &#8220;how dare you arrest him- he is an MP. Aren&#8217;t they supposed to be above the law? He&#8217;s one of <em>us</em>.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve55</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2524/comment-page-1#comment-137468</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing to do with hanky pany - this is one of the offences created by the anti-terrorism laws. It&#039;s being used to get at Green because he&#039;s received leaked documents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing to do with hanky pany &#8211; this is one of the offences created by the anti-terrorism laws. It&#8217;s being used to get at Green because he&#8217;s received leaked documents.</p>
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		<title>By: Kulvinder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kulvinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah but i plan on voting them out :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah but i plan on voting them out <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/dablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: marvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>marvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m curious how the authoritarian wing of the tory party will respond to this; after all they seem incapable of fathoming the concept of a dictatorial police force.&lt;/i&gt;

I believe there are just as many, authoritarians in the current day Labour party than current day Tory party, especially if policy announcements are anything to go by. 

I applaud the so far principled comments here, not sniping partisanship that&#039;s all too often par for the course on politco blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m curious how the authoritarian wing of the tory party will respond to this; after all they seem incapable of fathoming the concept of a dictatorial police force.</i></p>
<p>I believe there are just as many, authoritarians in the current day Labour party than current day Tory party, especially if policy announcements are anything to go by. </p>
<p>I applaud the so far principled comments here, not sniping partisanship that&#8217;s all too often par for the course on politco blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Kulvinder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kulvinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 01:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious how the authoritarian wing of the tory party will respond to this; after all they seem incapable of fathoming the concept of a dictatorial police force. 

I&#039;m also very puzzled how the government can claim that Brown didn&#039;t know, either the met is totally ignoring the home secretary, the home secretary is ignoring the prime minister or the government is lying; either way something doesn&#039;t add up.  If Boris Johnson was informed as apparently was David Cameron, why not Jacqui Smith?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious how the authoritarian wing of the tory party will respond to this; after all they seem incapable of fathoming the concept of a dictatorial police force. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also very puzzled how the government can claim that Brown didn&#8217;t know, either the met is totally ignoring the home secretary, the home secretary is ignoring the prime minister or the government is lying; either way something doesn&#8217;t add up.  If Boris Johnson was informed as apparently was David Cameron, why not Jacqui Smith?</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, let us hope it is forthcoming! You have no idea how much I like Vicars&#039; screwing prostitutes, and such like. They are hypocrites, are they not? I actually get pleasure out of the complete utter fuck up what thay claim to be.

Sad, I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let us hope it is forthcoming! You have no idea how much I like Vicars&#8217; screwing prostitutes, and such like. They are hypocrites, are they not? I actually get pleasure out of the complete utter fuck up what thay claim to be.</p>
<p>Sad, I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the police think they have a working definition!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the police think they have a working definition!</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2524/comment-page-1#comment-137379</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leon,

But there must be a huge number of people that haven&#039;t a fucking clue what “conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office,” actually means. And it looks to me that no statement is about to be forthcoming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leon,</p>
<p>But there must be a huge number of people that haven&#8217;t a fucking clue what “conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office,” actually means. And it looks to me that no statement is about to be forthcoming.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the Tories are going on the attack on this, George Osbourne is on Question Time tonight and goes on about it. Iain Dale is putting forward the &#039;another step towards totalitarian state&#039; line which will no doubt stir up the Conservative Libertarian brigade.

It is interesting the timing of this though. This week it&#039;s begun to look like the Tories were getting their act together regarding attacking the government and this will derail that. Ever since Peter Mandleson has returned they&#039;ve not been having the best time have they...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the Tories are going on the attack on this, George Osbourne is on Question Time tonight and goes on about it. Iain Dale is putting forward the &#8216;another step towards totalitarian state&#8217; line which will no doubt stir up the Conservative Libertarian brigade.</p>
<p>It is interesting the timing of this though. This week it&#8217;s begun to look like the Tories were getting their act together regarding attacking the government and this will derail that. Ever since Peter Mandleson has returned they&#8217;ve not been having the best time have they&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leon,

The mind boggles:

“conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office,”

I seem to remember, a long time ago when Post Office Regulations were quite strict on that sort of thing.

I thought John Major and Edwina Currie had moved us, well them anyway, away from that sort of innuendo.

What has he done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leon,</p>
<p>The mind boggles:</p>
<p>“conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office,”</p>
<p>I seem to remember, a long time ago when Post Office Regulations were quite strict on that sort of thing.</p>
<p>I thought John Major and Edwina Currie had moved us, well them anyway, away from that sort of innuendo.</p>
<p>What has he done?</p>
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