I agree completely with that. Our little corner of the internet has been largely free of self serving pieces of shit. It is when you go and read what he says elsewhere that it becomes clear that he is an entryist.

This is what he said elsewhere:

After much delay (probably years) I decided I’d join this forum and see what all the fuss is about for myself.

Yes I am the same one from PDF, no I haven’t defected…. just visiting.

Hope everyone is well. At first impressions the place looks pretty good, the proof of the pudding is in the tasting however.

For those who don’t know me i’m a 23 year old British – Pakistani of Kashmiri origin, fiercly patriotic and pro military. Professionally i’m in the IT industry (and for the nth time….i’m not desktop support so i don’t know whats wrong with your printer…lol).

Looking forwards to some lively debates….

I’m fairly sure fiercly was spelled wrongly, but there you go, a pro military pretendy patriotic nutter.

Clearly we need this sort of idiot to advise us.

Platinum786, what do you have to say for yourself?

You think those *kids* read Qutb? We’ll disagree forever on this but I dont think its useful to hold ‘primary thinker’ types responsible for what bad actions of tertiary splinters. Its a red herring for you anti-Islamic mojo types, even if it is an oft repeated and somewhat comforting slogan. A lot of people got a lot of matter wrong back then.

South Asian Islam has its own intellectual currents also. zoom back 70 or 80 years and situate the problem in the growng chasm between the confused modernists and the wishful trad types in the All-India Muslim community. Post-partition antagonisms between the nation states are a factor, but the point is that since then the islamic intelligensia class is no longer in operation in India. I dont think if the crisis of leadership was ever resolved.

its the absense of Guidance that enables misguidance of this magnitude.

Its a mistake to think that ‘representativeness’ a value that you hold, is valued by a lot of the spokesmen you wish to kick in the balls. Its like effing and blinding in Spanish in a Chinese traffic jam.

And to be honest, the political actors of hope that I see in India arent the Congress or the ‘brahmin Left’, its the Bahujan Samaj, who are bravely subverting several centuries of religious census play and class control.

A while ago there was a report on the systematic and historical socio-economic depressive forces acting on the muslims of india. From afar i found it ‘informative’ in a quantitative sense. But heres what one guy thinks was going on. There are no Alquaeda cookies in this jar of problems.

Tehelka – Is the Muslim community guilty of isolating and ghettoising itself? (The Sachar Committee Report)

ex SIMI dude – The Sachar Report is a two-fold conspiracy. This is part of Congress politics – it does not want to do anything substantial, just indulge in tokenism. It had made many promises before elections but did not fulfill any, so it set up the committee. This wept crocodile’s tears. It wanted to prove to Muslims that they are in such a terrible position. The truth is, Muslims are not in such a bad position. Yes, government jobs are not available for us, and Muslims accept that. But the report did not map how the community has progressed through self-employment. Also, no matter how down trodden, very few Muslims will be entirely illiterate because they have to read the Koran. If you can read Urdu, you can read Hindi. Most Muslim kids get a madrassa education – not one paisa for this is given by the State. But if you consider even me illiterate, I have no defence. As the Judge in my case said, he only knows Koran and hadeez, he doesn’t know anything else. And if you term anyone who follows Islamic teachings as conservative, what can I say? So the Sachar Report was only a negative report, it wanted to assess where their strategies had got us, how low have Muslims fallen. It’s a pity, no one asked Yasin Patel. I would have told them, you don’t need a committee, just implement things.

But if there is a bias in Education Ministries where crores are spent, what will Muslims get? You are asking me to introspect. But ghettoisation has become a kind of second nature for us. It is forced on us. Very few people have the energy and strength to think against the tide, ordinary people are just struggling to live. To tell you the truth though, no matter how much money the Muslim community puts up for its madrassas, it cannot be successful until the government fulfills our demand and gives us funds for our education. Our teachers at college level are paid Rs 2,500, whereas their secular counterparts would get around Rs 60,000 and the luxury of libraries and time and sabbaticals to study. How can our teachers compare? You cannot expect the same quality. This is one of the issues SIMI was emphasizing on – that as tax payers, the government should spend on our education, and on that education which as a community we want to give ourselves. Every community survives on the strength of its customs – be it religious or cultural custom. This is why I think the idea of a uniform common code is madness. You could have it in the US or European countries because there is so much homogeneity there. But you cannot compare India and US. You cannot compare India and Pakistan. India is a completely different thing. Totally different.

Do you know when Bengal was under Islamic rule a visiting traveler said there was hundred percent literacy there. But after the Mutiny of 1857, the British systematically removed Muslims from the army, the civil services and from educational institutions. Fort William College – the first college to be set up by the British was done on Wakf property, but they did not admit a single Muslim student. There was a huge uproar, so then they included two. But there has been a systematic program of removing Muslims from the mainstream. To detail that is a long story.

See, we want to keep our hearts open and talk, but there is so much intolerance now, no one wants to talk. Actually, political forces do not want us to get together and talk. Look at how much we have talked – but instead of you, if there was someone else here, there would have been blood spilled by now! (Laughs) At least you can tell Prakash Sharma (Bajrang Dal leader interviewed last week for this series) that you did manage to talk for four hours to a POTA-accused hard-core Muslim. We have lived together on this land for 1000 years, I don’t know why he feels they cannot talk to Muslims. The fact is, I came back from the US because no matter what, this is the country where I feel there is most acceptance and tolerance.

Even if he was to spout his usual gobshite, I’m sure no one takes any notice.

And how can you take him seriously when he postures on a forum and tells us he yearns for a free Kashmir but seems to have never actually been in the Pakistani army nor gone to Kashmir to help his “brothers”.

The man’s a joke.

Are we not saying the same thing? Although I fail to understand this:

and that his brand of nihilism has never been embraced explains why nutters like this exist.

It doesn’t explain it. The new nutters seem to me to be independent of the nutters like him. I am a new found fan of Strictly Come Dancing, so as you’d expect, I think Mr Quitb is a complete idiot. In my honest opinion.

However, on this occasion, I think I’ll make an exception and state that it’s self-evident that “Platinum786″, whoever the hell he is, is a sadistic, twisted little motherfucker with a psychotic attitude towards Indians. At least he’s acknowledging that he is a racist, bigotted bastard in this matter, and clearly has no shame about it.

I wonder why he would feel the need to go on the internet and express these “opinions” (such as they are) to countless anonymous strangers — especially as it will obviously provoke a counterresponse — unless it’s just for the “attention” or, as I implied earlier, a psychopathic desire to hurt people, especially those he enjoys hating.

I’m not particularly impressed by “George” either, who has repeatedly and opportunistically jumped on the bandwagon during the past few days to stick the knife into India and Indians (and, today, Israelis too).

Unfortunately, as most of us know, the internet does sometimes bring out the neurotic crazies from under their rocks, and South Asian-focused discussion forums are no different.

To put some perspective on this, it’s worth remembering that there are plenty of BNP-types out there — people with a racist mentality towards South Asians in general, not just literal members of the BNP — who are probably viewing the ongoing events in Mumbai as “just” one bunch of pakis killing another bunch of pakis, and finding it even more amusing that (in their view) some dirty brown bastards from one paki group are gloating (or feel no empathy whatsoever) about the suffering of the other group in Pakiland, whilst simultaneously being safely ensconsed thousands of miles away here in Ol’ Blighty. Divide & Rule Zindabad.

I see that, sometimes, nothing changes, whether it’s 1808, 1908 or indeed 2008. You short-sighted, tunnel-visioned fucking idiots.

Qutbian terrorists who purport to kill innocents in our name.

It is up to Muslims to comprehensibly reject that. There are 1.4 billion Muslims, I’d have thought a tiny percentage actually agreed with the nutter that is Mr Quatib.

But there you go.

Indian muslims do not need to condemn this act as ‘muslims’. That they do it as humans and Indians is enough. I am under no doubt that 99% of Indian muslims are appalled by this – as our hindus etc, etc. I wish India is able to, one day, move beyond these labels of religion, caste etc…
Yes, these attackers need to be dealt with sternly. But we MUST also tackle the larger causes of disaffection within our communities that provides for frustrated citizens willing to partner with opportunist mercenaries to expedite their designs against humanity.

This brought a lump to my throat. But I still believe that Indian muslims and muslims in general should display a loud, vocal show of force against Qutbian terrorists who purport to kill innocents in our name.

b’shalom

bananabrain

Fugstar makes an extremely good point at 94. It is difficult to assume that 1.4 billion Muslims accept this version of Jihad, less we would be in World War Three, would we not?

It is clear to me that the vast majority of Muslims do not subscribe to this insanity. So, lets cut them some slack? Or, alternatively, lets kick the mouthy Muslims in the balls. For they represent no-one but themselves.

The idea that they represent anything other than themselves, wrapped in clingfilm is ridiculous.

Plutonium 786 is a complete and utter idiot.

Both India and Pakistan are, for better or worse nuclear powers. Platinum seems to think, elsewhere, that Pakistan has the edge. Clearly, he has been reading too much of Little Green Footballs to pass any sort of diplomacy test. The concept of MAD – Mutually Assured Destruction – applies to Pakistan just as much as it applied to the Soviet Union or the USA. It is why ninkcompoops such as the mad and bad Platinum786 should be kept away from any nuclear trigger. The fact that Pakistan is a tad unstable worries the hell out of me. I’d expect the US to deploy some of it’s nuclear submarine fleet into the Indian Ocean. As a reminder to Islamabad that India is not alone.

Though, given that the Pakistan Foreign Minister is talking sense, perhaps the risk, to Pakistan, of being blown off the planet, is diminishing.

Don’t play with the big boys Platinum786.

India fed the beast of Hindu right wing terrorists, now it’s grown out of control and is trying to overthrow the congress government. Nobody even reembered that there are elections in a large Northern state today, what boosts the BJP vote more than “muslim terrorists”.

Just what is it with Muslims and conspiracy theories?!

And no, I’m not e-stalking you but you’re such a massive failure of a pathetic excuse for a man that it’s hilarious to watch you go about your pathetic little life that you live vicariously through your online rantings

India’s Muslims never sanctioned these criminals, nationalistically they are just as victimised by these crimes as other citizens. These attacks were not anti hindu specifically, they were against the nation’s citizenry, guests and pride. Indian Muslims going blood curdling on these irresponsible, juvenile and evil people(with their tongues) probably wont have much affect on the situation on the ground or on public perceptions. Duas for everyone there. Saying things into the air hoping for a microphone cant really untie the knotted wound that have been inflicted on thousands and millions affected by this.

People must collectively imagine and enact a way out of this sooner or later.

An exleader of SIMI (a student muslim organisation thats likely to be under heavily increased scrutiny) was asked the following in a recent (pre-attack)tehelka interview.

Interviewer – The Hindu Right alleges that the Muslim community does not denounce terror activity enough.

Interviewee – This is a lie. We have spoken against terrorism consistently. But why should we do more? Are we accepting that there are terrorists among us? India has an enemity with Pakistan and gets blasts done in Karachi, they in turn get blasts done in Hyderabad – this has no relation with Islam or Muslims. They speak of “home-grown terror” – there is no such thing! They have tried so hard to prove links between Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar, but out of 20 crore Indian Muslims, there is not one! Not one! I say “homegrown terror” is either a figment or the product of the IB. What are these modules you are busting? They are blasting RDX but you are seizing AK 47s! The Muslim from Kerala who was recently killed in Kashmir – his mother publicly said, she will not accept his corpse. The parents of other arrested boys have said that if it is proved their children are involved in terror blasts, they will disown them and not oppose them being hanged. All this is just propaganda. It is just a way of psychologically denouncing us so much that Muslims themselves will not dare to say or even think any of these are wrong allegations.

Oh and I went to a huge new years party while in Kathmandu, celebrating the Jewish new year. so many people were there, unreal…

My, you boys really are only good at committing suicide.

verrrrry mature.