Being a Muslim copper is difficult business…


by Sunny
23rd January, 2006 at 3:54 pm    

…according to this feature in the Washinton Post. “You are a Muslim. You should not be working for the police,” one tells the brown man in the uniform. “You are a Muslim,” he replies, “You shouldn’t be committing a crime.”
Heh. That told him. [via HP] Better to change the system from the inside than bitch about it from the outside – no?


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  1. leon — on 23rd January, 2006 at 4:13 pm  

    “Better to change the system from the inside than bitch about it from the outside – no?”

    Indeed.

  2. Bikhair — on 23rd January, 2006 at 4:16 pm  

    Pickled Pot heads,

    “You are a Muslim. You should not be working for the police,” one tells the brown man in the uniform. “You are a Muslim,” he replies, “You shouldn’t be committing a crime.”

    Aww man, this is my favorite line. dont you just love when someone reminds these jahils of their religion? They should have had that little punk on a plane to Saudi to recieve some real justice ha ha ha. Chop Chop!

  3. Col. Mustafa — on 23rd January, 2006 at 4:22 pm  

    Its a crime to help your surrounding society???

    Thats wierd.

  4. bananabrain — on 23rd January, 2006 at 5:14 pm  

    we have a similar (if more parochial) issue, as illustrated by the example of the girl who wants to marry a rabbi and her father objects because “that’s no job for a nice jewish boy – what about a nice doctor?”

    there ought to be more jewish policemen too, i expect. i wonder what the stats are and if it’s representative.

    b’shalom

    bananabrain

  5. Jay Singh — on 23rd January, 2006 at 5:30 pm  

    Hey Bananabrain there was an article from an Israeli newspaper about some meeting between a Sikh delegation from Birimingham who went to Jerusalem to study Judaism – a very nice article I will dig it out for you if you like.

  6. Jay Singh — on 23rd January, 2006 at 5:33 pm  
  7. Soniyeh — on 23rd January, 2006 at 5:42 pm  

    hehe

  8. jamal — on 23rd January, 2006 at 9:54 pm  

    This is quite silly. If he’s doing his job correctly then whats the big deal? Those on either side would be wrong to argue any differently.

  9. NorahJones — on 23rd January, 2006 at 10:12 pm  

    I have a darling friend who’s a muslim and a copper.

    When he first joined the force he had to take it to
    the streets (out of uniform) and take on a few of
    those punk ass “which side are you on?” nobs to
    show he wasn’t afraid of them.

    Good job he’s built like a brick shit house.

    See, what I don’t get is that some muslims can
    complain about where other muslims loyalties
    lie yet it’s all good sponging of this state, having
    a british passport and the benefits that come with it.

    Where would they be without this country?
    Why shouldn’t we have loyalty to this country?

    And all this nonsense about shopping in a fellow
    muslim… A rapist is not any less scum if he’s a
    muslim.

  10. Bikhair — on 23rd January, 2006 at 10:28 pm  

    Norah Jones,

    You can be alot of things without Britian. This issue will become acute on the day of judgement. Until then, we all know what obligations Muslims have to their neighbors be they Muslim or kafur. We all know that these Muslims hereos in Britian would never make hijrah to Pakistan or Bangledesh which is an obligation if you live in a non Muslim country. They would hate to hear that.

    However I dont believe being a cop is the best job for a Muslim in a non-Muslim country because of what you can be exposed to on the job. Perhaps they should just shuffle paper at the station.

    Norah dear, you have a dirty mouth by the way.

  11. NorahJones — on 23rd January, 2006 at 11:23 pm  

    Good on you for noticing Bikhair.

  12. Vikrant — on 24th January, 2006 at 9:20 am  

    This issue will become acute on the day of judgement.

    Bikki-Fatalism at work again.

  13. geets — on 24th January, 2006 at 1:46 pm  

    This is a classic dialogue which stands out for two reasons.

    1) – Both parties are the same religion.
    2) – Both parties are Muslim.

    There is no way it would have been reported had it been a coversation between a policeman & criminal of any other religion. If it were turned into a comedy sketch it would be hilarious (I’m visualising it in my head right now & I’m already laughing). Any other religion – and it wouldn’t even make any muscle in my face flinch.

    Naturally, because of the overwhelming emphasis in the last 5 years on all things Islamic – I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a book called ‘dummies guide to being Islamic’. We’d probably be on the 6th edition by now.

    (Incidentally – I’m of the same trail of thought as the policeman)

  14. bananabrain — on 24th January, 2006 at 2:15 pm  

    (at the risk of hijacking the thread)

    hi jay,

    that’s a really lovely article – how kind of you to link to it. if only there were more such articles, events and so on.

    i have had some involvement with the elijah institute (http://www.elijah.org.il) myself after meeting r. goshen-gottstein on my honeymoon. they’re a really great organisation and i wish they were working in the uk – in fact, frankly i wish someone would employ me to do this for them!

    what i suppose is sad, unfortunately, is the sheer level of ignorance exhibited by my co-religionists. what they learnt about sikhism is not news to *me* at least, but it just goes to show what a long way we have to go and just how little we realise that there are like-minded people out there, as opposed to automatically assuming that everyone apart from jews, christians and muslims (and some of us are not too sure about the christians, either) is an idolater. of course, this is nonsense, but few people know enough about either our sources on the subject or the faiths concerned to make any kind of informed judgement. instead, most people just sit back and arrogantly feel sorry for all those benighted heathens out there. how can they be so fecking *ignorant*??? it drives me nuts. i could go on, but you get my drift.

    the other interesting thing in the story is r. menachem froman, who i had the pleasure of meeting a couple of years ago. he’s an exceptional man – a west bank settler, if you please, who maintains excellent and mutually respectful relations with his palestinian neighbours and could even be prepared to become a palestinian citizen if it enables his group to go on living where they live. it’s a shame there aren’t more like him out there – perhaps then the state of palestine-to-be need not be “judenrein”, like iraq and the other arab states. personally, i think if palestine has no jewish citizens at all, i feel it will be a sad indictment of our ability to live together. r. froman is a true example and a leader.

    b’shalom

    bananabrain

  15. Bikhair — on 24th January, 2006 at 4:18 pm  

    Vikrant,

    “Bikki-Fatalism at work again.”

    At the risk of this thread being hijacked, you can call it what you want but at the end of the day its called emaan. If it doesnt mean anything in the dunyah it WILL mean something on the day of judgement. InshaAllah…

  16. Jai — on 24th January, 2006 at 8:37 pm  

    Geets,

    =>”I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a book called ‘dummies guide to being Islamic’.”

    Believe it or not, there really is a book called “Islam for Dummies”. Yes, the type with the yellow and black covers.

  17. Don — on 24th January, 2006 at 8:54 pm  

    Bikhair,

    I know I shouldn’t, but you did earlier offer to have rational discussions, so I’ll give it a try;

    What did you mean by, ‘However I dont believe being a cop is the best job for a Muslim in a non-Muslim country because of what you can be exposed to on the job.’?

    That’s not a sarcastic question, I just don’t know what you mean. Danger? Abuse? Contact with the ugliest aspects of life? I’d appreciate it if you kept arabic words to a minimum, just as a matter of courtesy.

  18. Rohin — on 24th January, 2006 at 9:05 pm  

    Jay that Sikh/Jew article used false advertising! “Separated at birth” means almost the same. I expected similarities that would make me gasp. But it just describes Sikhism. And then explains the fundamental ways it’s completely different to Judaism. But I did like the intro:

    “The monotheistic Sikhs”

    Subtext: Whoa, Indians? Don’t worry! Sikhs are MONOtheistic. Oh thank God, not like those other fruitcakes.

    “This is quite silly. If he’s doing his job correctly then whats the big deal? Those on either side would be wrong to argue any differently.”

    What is it about religious people and jokes? What happened to their senses of humour?

    “You can be alot of things without Britian.”

    What is it about religious people and English? What happened to their spelling and grammar?

  19. geets — on 24th January, 2006 at 10:04 pm  

    rohin >

    Religious extremists are in such a rush to argue their points, that grammar becomes secondary. Some might say that this is reflective of their views – not very well thought out and unfounded.

    Those who agree with the views, will not spot these grammatical errors.

    Those who don’t, will.

    geets.

  20. Jay Singh — on 24th January, 2006 at 11:28 pm  

    Eohin

    I think it is a nice article. Similar pressures affect both communities – similar tensions inside both communities between Orthodox and liberal practitioners, many different external aspects. The Abrahamic religions always stress the One God thing – so obviously they dont understand Hinduism fully and are surprised that Sikhism is monotheistic. Not that there is anything wrong with polytheism or whatever theism – but hey, send a letter to the Jerusalem Post, not me!

  21. Suhail Kazi — on 25th January, 2006 at 1:32 am  

    Initially I thought Bikhair must be one of those extremists unable to apply their God-gifted brains.
    However after hanging around on PP for sometime I am more than sure that s/he/it is a work of fiction.

    I smell someone doing a thesis on how a popular Forum/blog behaves when a moron commenter steps in with his/her/it’s equally nutty threadjacking plots.

    Anyone with me?

    ps: creator of Bikhair, whoever you are, pls continue to hang around. Reading your comments is like watching the most twisted version of Islam on a train-wreck straight to Hell. Also, it’s funny.

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