Indeed, one must never underestimate the passion with which certain sections of society can summon organised outrage towards issues that have not the slightest direct affect on their own lives simply because there exists a perceived slight against thei…

Yeah right. Black and Hispanic voters sank the gay rights agenda. Welcome to the victimology bun fight. Get used to it.

Are you suggesting anything less than hat he is the saviour of the world? That’s blasphemy that is! Off with his head!

The former involves sanctifying an unnatural relationship

Is there anything more natural than two gays feeling attracted to each other and having a relationship based on that attraction? There is also homosexual behaviour in mammals… do they also have a “lifestyle” as well?

Ashik:

Surely any adoption is by defintion unatural?

However, gay marriage and adoption is just morally wrong. The former involves sanctifying an unnatural relationship and the latter risks exposing a vulnerable member of society to an unnatural upbringing and family upheaval (when the relationship collapses) without their informed choice. But then again plenty of heterosexual couples divorce or move out and a child of a single parent may face ridicule (though not as intense).

Gay marriages are not automatically acceptable to all who consider themselves ‘liberal’. It is still a heavily contested issue in California and elsewhere.

The problem I have is – what the hell is the point of organising yourselves now fools? This should have been done before the vote, no?

Usually protests are done after an injustice has been made, not before. Before the election, they should have presented a better case in areas that were more likely to vote for prop 8.

But I also hear he’s the patron saint of Napoli.

Sid, you should know that in Catholic doctrine, saints have to be dead. Which is why Berlousconi said he was a candidate. Where did you hear such nonsense that he was the patron saint of Napoli?

Watch out for Desi…

“After supper I work at my desk to study, compile statements and prepare for the next day’s appointments. That’s how it is for six days a week.”

“Lunch and dinner invariably become work appointments … in other words I’m a candidate for saint,” said Berlusconi who in the past has compared himself to Napoleon, Jesus Christ and Winston Churchill.

Well they have Saint Silvio for a premier, so they obviously don’t.

Why Saint?

Nevertheless, we don’t seem to get that political victory should not be taken for granted ever.

Indeed. I’ve always liked the saying: “Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom”

Maybe when Nadine Dorries become Conservative home office minister.

That’s the stuff of nightmares mate…