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    What’s the point of outrage now?


    by Sunny on 18th November, 2008 at 1:52 pm    

    California is being rocked with protests against Proposition 8 - a measure that Californians passed in a statewide vote during the national elections - banning gay marriage. Last weekend protests were even held across the country demanding a change in the law so gays could marry. Of course, I believe gays should be allowed to marry as heterosexual couples are.

    The problem I have is - what the hell is the point of organising yourselves now fools? This should have been done before the vote, no? This is what happened. Most people thought Prop 8 wasn’t going to pass because California is the liberal hub of America after all. Except, money poured in from the Mormon Church and religious conservatives also rallied hard to ensure a high-turnout on election day. By a small measure the vote was passed and people were stunned. There has been some discussion about the lack of proper strategy prior to the elections, but all that is no use now.

    Liberals in America are generally more organised than lefties here, mostly because civic participation and activism is just more common there. Nevertheless, we don’t seem to get that political victory should not be taken for granted ever. We don’t seem to get that for progress we must organise instead of lamely complaining from the sidelines, like Italians do. We need to discuss and take forward strategy, rather than lamely fighting on the sidelines with each other (which makes the far-left so electorally useless). Prop 8 was the wake-up call for liberals there. I wonder what will it take here. Maybe when Nadine Dorries becomes Home Secretary for the Conservatives.



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    1. Leon — on 18th November, 2008 at 1:57 pm  

      Nevertheless, we don’t seem to get that political victory should not be taken for granted ever.

      Indeed. I’ve always liked the saying: “Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom”

      Maybe when Nadine Dorries become Conservative home office minister.

      That’s the stuff of nightmares mate…

    2. Colm — on 18th November, 2008 at 2:12 pm  

      Are you saying that Italians lamely complain from the sidelines or that they don’t?

    3. Sid — on 18th November, 2008 at 2:25 pm  

      Well they have Saint Silvio for a premier, so they obviously don’t.

    4. Ravi Naik — on 18th November, 2008 at 2:38 pm  

      Well they have Saint Silvio for a premier, so they obviously don’t.

      Why Saint?

    5. Sid — on 18th November, 2008 at 2:53 pm  

      Self-anointed. But I also hear he’s the patron saint of Napoli.

      “After supper I work at my desk to study, compile statements and prepare for the next day’s appointments. That’s how it is for six days a week.”

      “Lunch and dinner invariably become work appointments … in other words I’m a candidate for saint,” said Berlusconi who in the past has compared himself to Napoleon, Jesus Christ and Winston Churchill.

    6. Rumbold — on 18th November, 2008 at 2:58 pm  

      What have the Italians ever done to you?

      Watch out for Desi…

    7. Yusuf Smith — on 18th November, 2008 at 5:41 pm  

      This is not the first time something like that has failed in a so-called gay hotspot. Around 1996, a bill was passed in Northampton, Massachusetts - a place known as Lesbianville, with a substantial “women’s community” as the singer Dar Williams put it, as a result of having two all-female colleges in the vicinity - to give non-married and gay couples certain rights, such as picking up each other’s children from school, but enough signatures were raised for a ballot initiative, and it got repealed. And that was just one town, not a whole state the size and population of a large country. Perhaps gay marriage is a bit too much to swallow even for those who do not mind accepting gay people in their midst.

    8. Ravi Naik — on 18th November, 2008 at 6:02 pm  

      The problem I have is - what the hell is the point of organising yourselves now fools? This should have been done before the vote, no?

      Usually protests are done after an injustice has been made, not before. Before the election, they should have presented a better case in areas that were more likely to vote for prop 8.

      But I also hear he’s the patron saint of Napoli.

      Sid, you should know that in Catholic doctrine, saints have to be dead. Which is why Berlousconi said he was a candidate. :) Where did you hear such nonsense that he was the patron saint of Napoli?

    9. MaidMarian — on 18th November, 2008 at 7:51 pm  

      Is there a suggestion here that Obama’s coat tails are not quite as long as a first look would suggest?

    10. Ashik — on 18th November, 2008 at 7:56 pm  

      Gays should be left alone to live their lives with the minimum of disruption due to their lifestyle. I don’t support discriminatory practices in fields like education or employment. I think gays should be allowed to express themselves ie. in their behaviour and dress.

      However, gay marriage and adoption is just morally wrong. The former involves sanctifying an unnatural relationship and the latter risks exposing a vulnerable member of society to an unnatural upbringing and family upheaval (when the relationship collapses) without their informed choice. But then again plenty of heterosexual couples divorce or move out and a child of a single parent may face ridicule (though not as intense).

      Gay marriages are not automatically acceptable to all who consider themselves ‘liberal’. It is still a heavily contested issue in California and elsewhere.

    11. Rumbold — on 18th November, 2008 at 8:03 pm  

      I think that marriage should be a purely religious matter. Everyone who wants their union with one other person recognised by the law, whether homosexual, hetrosexual or even two friends/siblings, should be able to get a civil union. Then the various religious denominations can deny marriage ceremonies (which would confer no extra legal status), to whomever they want. It would be a private matter.

      Ashik:

      Surely any adoption is by defintion unatural?

    12. sonia — on 18th November, 2008 at 8:36 pm  

      as rumbold says..

    13. Ravi Naik — on 18th November, 2008 at 10:40 pm  

      The former involves sanctifying an unnatural relationship

      Is there anything more natural than two gays feeling attracted to each other and having a relationship based on that attraction? There is also homosexual behaviour in mammals… do they also have a “lifestyle” as well?

    14. Sunny — on 19th November, 2008 at 1:28 am  

      Is there a suggestion here that Obama’s coat tails are not quite as long as a first look would suggest?

      Are you suggesting anything less than hat he is the saviour of the world? That’s blasphemy that is! Off with his head!

    15. Liam — on 19th November, 2008 at 3:07 pm  

      The Mormon churches and religious conservatives poured money in and swung the vote?

      Yeah right. Black and Hispanic voters sank the gay rights agenda. Welcome to the victimology bun fight. Get used to it.

    16. El Gweilo Intrepido - Travel, Politics, Philosophy and Other Disparate Nonsense — on 19th November, 2008 at 10:51 pm  

      Comment: What’s the point of outrage now?…

      Indeed, one must never underestimate the passion with which certain sections of society can summon organised outrage towards issues that have not the slightest direct affect on their own lives simply because there exists a perceived slight against thei…



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