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		<title>By: Amrit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonia - no problem. :-D

I have no idea why I wandered onto this thread after so long, but it was a right laugh (much needed too!). Jai, as usual *applauds* and I only just spotted Rumbold&#039;s comment at #92... oh my God. It must be done. CALL SKY ONE NOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonia &#8211; no problem. <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/dablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I have no idea why I wandered onto this thread after so long, but it was a right laugh (much needed too!). Jai, as usual *applauds* and I only just spotted Rumbold&#8217;s comment at #92&#8230; oh my God. It must be done. CALL SKY ONE NOW!</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi Naik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ravi Naik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In defense of Ashik, he writes in good faith. And unlike other misogynists and backward people trapped in feudal times, he rationalises his bigotry and tries to engage in a debate - and that I can appreciate. I mean, I never heard any other person using terms like &quot;fornicators&quot; or &quot;culturally compromised woman (and of questionable virtue)&quot;. He makes me smile every time time I read his comments. 

Ashik&#039;s problem is that he is a weak man. Weak men want control because they are frustrated they have none. For instance, he is pissed that women of his community actually have the gull to criticise their community and stand up for their liberties, and  walking out if they are not happy. This is wrong, he rationalises, it goes against religion, family, community. That is why he abuses Sonia so much. But what can he do? He is weak.

And then there is sex. Ashik is both aroused and disgusted with this concept of female sexual freedoms. Aroused because he confuses sexual freedom with &quot;being easy&quot; (prostitutes, pay&#039;n&#039;all).  He must think to himself that if he wasn&#039;t such a devout muslim, he would be having sex whenever he wanted. And disgusted, because it means losing &quot;control&quot; over women. But what can he do? He is weak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In defense of Ashik, he writes in good faith. And unlike other misogynists and backward people trapped in feudal times, he rationalises his bigotry and tries to engage in a debate &#8211; and that I can appreciate. I mean, I never heard any other person using terms like &#8220;fornicators&#8221; or &#8220;culturally compromised woman (and of questionable virtue)&#8221;. He makes me smile every time time I read his comments. </p>
<p>Ashik&#8217;s problem is that he is a weak man. Weak men want control because they are frustrated they have none. For instance, he is pissed that women of his community actually have the gull to criticise their community and stand up for their liberties, and  walking out if they are not happy. This is wrong, he rationalises, it goes against religion, family, community. That is why he abuses Sonia so much. But what can he do? He is weak.</p>
<p>And then there is sex. Ashik is both aroused and disgusted with this concept of female sexual freedoms. Aroused because he confuses sexual freedom with &#8220;being easy&#8221; (prostitutes, pay&#8217;n'all).  He must think to himself that if he wasn&#8217;t such a devout muslim, he would be having sex whenever he wanted. And disgusted, because it means losing &#8220;control&#8221; over women. But what can he do? He is weak.</p>
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		<title>By: Jai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That was irony, right?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Er.....yeah.....irony.....okay, that&#039;s what we&#039;ll call it.....I was just trying to -- hey look, a hot blonde girl in a white tank-top !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That was irony, right?</p></blockquote>
<p>Er&#8230;..yeah&#8230;..irony&#8230;..okay, that&#8217;s what we&#8217;ll call it&#8230;..I was just trying to &#8212; hey look, a hot blonde girl in a white tank-top !</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desi - 95. what a brilliant idea! i like. let&#039;s do it..and we can invite other gals in as well to provide contributing swipes  ;-) persephone and amrit - we&#039;ll need some of your extracts too!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desi &#8211; 95. what a brilliant idea! i like. let&#8217;s do it..and we can invite other gals in as well to provide contributing swipes  <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/dablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  persephone and amrit &#8211; we&#8217;ll need some of your extracts too!!</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Maybe you should get your husband to come on here...&lt;/i&gt;

That was irony, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Maybe you should get your husband to come on here&#8230;</i></p>
<p>That was irony, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Jai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonia,

&lt;blockquote&gt;if ashik is trying to call me a prostitute, that only makes me laugh. what an odd thing to do, revealing of his mindset more than anything else.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed, but it makes you think, though. What kind of sick twisted guy goes around making those type of remarks across the internet to complete strangers (never mind women in general) ? 

You seem to made of stern stuff, based on your cool-headed response to it. Good for you.

Maybe you should get your husband to come on here and give Ashik a piece of his mind too, man-to-man. Just to make things interesting. We&#039;ll see how cocky Ashik is then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonia,</p>
<blockquote><p>if ashik is trying to call me a prostitute, that only makes me laugh. what an odd thing to do, revealing of his mindset more than anything else.</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed, but it makes you think, though. What kind of sick twisted guy goes around making those type of remarks across the internet to complete strangers (never mind women in general) ? </p>
<p>You seem to made of stern stuff, based on your cool-headed response to it. Good for you.</p>
<p>Maybe you should get your husband to come on here and give Ashik a piece of his mind too, man-to-man. Just to make things interesting. We&#8217;ll see how cocky Ashik is then.</p>
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		<title>By: persephone</title>
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		<dc:creator>persephone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still wading through the earlier identity classifications for women. The woman in the white top in the ad on the top right - which do you think she is: 

1) a culturally compromised woman (and of questionable virtue) who is good for dating - aka fornicator
2) a woman considered good marriage material and more in touch with her ethnic/religious identity, though not necessary wholly traditional.
3) eccentric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still wading through the earlier identity classifications for women. The woman in the white top in the ad on the top right &#8211; which do you think she is: </p>
<p>1) a culturally compromised woman (and of questionable virtue) who is good for dating &#8211; aka fornicator<br />
2) a woman considered good marriage material and more in touch with her ethnic/religious identity, though not necessary wholly traditional.<br />
3) eccentric</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2488/comment-page-2#comment-136484</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When did we asians first publish the Kama Sutra?&quot;

Freaking fornicators. What shame and filth they have left us in our collective ancient history. If those Kama Sutra-wallas were still alive today, I&#039;d have flogged them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When did we asians first publish the Kama Sutra?&#8221;</p>
<p>Freaking fornicators. What shame and filth they have left us in our collective ancient history. If those Kama Sutra-wallas were still alive today, I&#8217;d have flogged them.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashik, want me to hook you up with our family friend&#039;s daughter? You might like her-- she&#039;s got no &quot;experience&quot; whatsoever, spends her whole day preparing for an &quot;outing,&quot;, goes to IA pageants in hopes that some Hrithik Roshan type will discover her beauty, fall madly in love with her, and whisk her away to star in Bollywood films opposite him. She&#039;s also a dingbat, with no opinions of her own, which makes her prime for molding her any way you like. 

Although, she&#039;s looking for a Punjabi Sikh doctor with blue eyes from a well-to-do family. Don&#039;t know if you fit the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashik, want me to hook you up with our family friend&#8217;s daughter? You might like her&#8211; she&#8217;s got no &#8220;experience&#8221; whatsoever, spends her whole day preparing for an &#8220;outing,&#8221;, goes to IA pageants in hopes that some Hrithik Roshan type will discover her beauty, fall madly in love with her, and whisk her away to star in Bollywood films opposite him. She&#8217;s also a dingbat, with no opinions of her own, which makes her prime for molding her any way you like. </p>
<p>Although, she&#8217;s looking for a Punjabi Sikh doctor with blue eyes from a well-to-do family. Don&#8217;t know if you fit the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonia, want to start up a joint blog for Brown experienced women? We can call it &quot;Brown Ho&#039;s in the &#039;Hood&quot; and take swipes at religion, sexism, etc. Since you&#039;re based in Britain,  your beat will be to cover Britain. I&#039;ll take over the U.S.

Your handle can be &quot;On Big Ben&quot; and mine can be &quot;Statue of Sexual Liberty.&quot;

What say? You like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonia, want to start up a joint blog for Brown experienced women? We can call it &#8220;Brown Ho&#8217;s in the &#8216;Hood&#8221; and take swipes at religion, sexism, etc. Since you&#8217;re based in Britain,  your beat will be to cover Britain. I&#8217;ll take over the U.S.</p>
<p>Your handle can be &#8220;On Big Ben&#8221; and mine can be &#8220;Statue of Sexual Liberty.&#8221;</p>
<p>What say? You like?</p>
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		<title>By: fugstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fugstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AIGS sounds very catholic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AIGS sounds very catholic.</p>
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		<title>By: persephone</title>
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		<dc:creator>persephone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@92 and the show could be called Californication

or is that californication syndrome at thread no. 83</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@92 and the show could be called Californication</p>
<p>or is that californication syndrome at thread no. 83</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Ashik should have his own reality TV show, in the style of &#039;world&#039;s toughest cops&#039; (with Jim Davidson providing the voiceover). The camera would follow Ashik on his moped, flashing siren on top of his head, handing out coats and shawls to any woman he considers immodestly dressed, while keeping a beady eye out for Asian women being led astray by &#039;ruddy-cheeked Englishmen&#039; (to quote Amrit #59).

His catchphrase will be widely heard in the playground: &quot;curse those damn Dhakaris!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Ashik should have his own reality TV show, in the style of &#8216;world&#8217;s toughest cops&#8217; (with Jim Davidson providing the voiceover). The camera would follow Ashik on his moped, flashing siren on top of his head, handing out coats and shawls to any woman he considers immodestly dressed, while keeping a beady eye out for Asian women being led astray by &#8216;ruddy-cheeked Englishmen&#8217; (to quote Amrit #59).</p>
<p>His catchphrase will be widely heard in the playground: &#8220;curse those damn Dhakaris!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why thank you persephone! 
jai,yes i wasn&#039;t sure either what ashik was trying to say, as desi points out, ashik&#039;s comments are a bit mystifying sometimes. but if ashik is trying to call me a prostitute, that only makes me laugh. what an odd thing to do, revealing of his mindset more than anything else. after all he has the right to be pious in his own fashion and abstaining from whatever he wants to, but it is interesting to see the way his mind works. perhaps when sex comes to mind, he associates it with prostitutes? that would be revealing indeed. and very victorian.

no.87 - very funny :-) 

Desi, you are hilarious indeed. and 80 is spot spot on.
89 vikrant, you speaketh much sense there! 

heh some of the comments on this thread are really worth a &#039;goodness gracious me&#039; type of comedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why thank you persephone!<br />
jai,yes i wasn&#8217;t sure either what ashik was trying to say, as desi points out, ashik&#8217;s comments are a bit mystifying sometimes. but if ashik is trying to call me a prostitute, that only makes me laugh. what an odd thing to do, revealing of his mindset more than anything else. after all he has the right to be pious in his own fashion and abstaining from whatever he wants to, but it is interesting to see the way his mind works. perhaps when sex comes to mind, he associates it with prostitutes? that would be revealing indeed. and very victorian.</p>
<p>no.87 &#8211; very funny <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/dablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Desi, you are hilarious indeed. and 80 is spot spot on.<br />
89 vikrant, you speaketh much sense there! </p>
<p>heh some of the comments on this thread are really worth a &#8216;goodness gracious me&#8217; type of comedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Vikrant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vikrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;When did we asians first publish the Kama Sutra?&lt;/i&gt;

psst... but that was written by those bleedin&#039; idolators who are haram for our buddy as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>When did we asians first publish the Kama Sutra?</i></p>
<p>psst&#8230; but that was written by those bleedin&#8217; idolators who are haram for our buddy as well!</p>
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		<title>By: persephone</title>
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		<dc:creator>persephone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonia

I think you have handled the very personal nature of the comments very well. In victorianspeak, in fact, like a lady - perhaps the type that is the version 2) woman as classified by Ashik</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonia</p>
<p>I think you have handled the very personal nature of the comments very well. In victorianspeak, in fact, like a lady &#8211; perhaps the type that is the version 2) woman as classified by Ashik</p>
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		<title>By: persephone</title>
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		<dc:creator>persephone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; I think you’ll find that your assumptions are approximately 15-20 years out of date&quot;

Perhaps even longer. When did we asians first publish the Kama Sutra?  When one considers this book it does not make us look too emancipated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I think you’ll find that your assumptions are approximately 15-20 years out of date&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps even longer. When did we asians first publish the Kama Sutra?  When one considers this book it does not make us look too emancipated</p>
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		<title>By: persephone</title>
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		<dc:creator>persephone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@78 &amp; 79 Hilarious</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@78 &amp; 79 Hilarious</p>
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		<title>By: Vikrant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vikrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Ashik are you for real? I dont know which UK you live in... not the one i grew up in for sure!

&lt;i&gt;that is quite funny, but then again, a lot of religious people do seem to be obsessed with all things sexual. &lt;/i&gt;

Religious fanaticism you see, isnt a really effective offset for sexual frustration. 

Sexual moralists usually end up becoming sexual perverts in their 50&#039;s to make up for the time they wasted when they were young.

&lt;i&gt;All very Victorian, isn’t it.&lt;/i&gt;

Totally! Does anyone even use the word &quot;fornication&quot; anymore? Needless to say in my frat house in this college town full of fornicators, the word loses its meaning completely!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Ashik are you for real? I dont know which UK you live in&#8230; not the one i grew up in for sure!</p>
<p><i>that is quite funny, but then again, a lot of religious people do seem to be obsessed with all things sexual. </i></p>
<p>Religious fanaticism you see, isnt a really effective offset for sexual frustration. </p>
<p>Sexual moralists usually end up becoming sexual perverts in their 50&#8217;s to make up for the time they wasted when they were young.</p>
<p><i>All very Victorian, isn’t it.</i></p>
<p>Totally! Does anyone even use the word &#8220;fornication&#8221; anymore? Needless to say in my frat house in this college town full of fornicators, the word loses its meaning completely!</p>
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		<title>By: fugstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fugstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oo look. a prog-off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oo look. a prog-off.</p>
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