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	<title>Comments on: Protecting innocent people from media probes</title>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2474#comment-135250</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Thanks for the a bit more balance MaidMarian - it seems everyone else prefers hyperbole.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s an unfair characterisation, you&#039;ve backed a plan by the government to increase it&#039;s powers of intrusion and control.

The reaction has seen bloggers from all parts of the political spectrum respond critically to your endorsement (which says something in its self). 

Unity provided a very good and practical way for curbing the problems on LC without giving the government such a boon to their propaganda options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Thanks for the a bit more balance MaidMarian &#8211; it seems everyone else prefers hyperbole.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s an unfair characterisation, you&#8217;ve backed a plan by the government to increase it&#8217;s powers of intrusion and control.</p>
<p>The reaction has seen bloggers from all parts of the political spectrum respond critically to your endorsement (which says something in its self). </p>
<p>Unity provided a very good and practical way for curbing the problems on LC without giving the government such a boon to their propaganda options.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2474#comment-135214</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the a bit more balance MaidMarian - it seems everyone else prefers hyperbole.

I wonder what people would say if they were the ones smeared as terrorists by newspapers without being first charged or convicted by one.

David T - I&#039;m referring to the number of people arrested and named compared to those who actually got charged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the a bit more balance MaidMarian &#8211; it seems everyone else prefers hyperbole.</p>
<p>I wonder what people would say if they were the ones smeared as terrorists by newspapers without being first charged or convicted by one.</p>
<p>David T &#8211; I&#8217;m referring to the number of people arrested and named compared to those who actually got charged.</p>
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		<title>By: MaidMarian</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2474#comment-135200</link>
		<dc:creator>MaidMarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny - &#039;So the government is finally getting its act together and putting forward legislation that would stop the media from pouncing on unsubstantiated rumours based on â€œanonymous sourcesâ€ when it relates to terrorism related threats.&#039;

It is an interesting article on a complex issue.

The slightly bigger question to my mind is how have we got to  a place where the government has to act?  Why have the media dumbed down (for want of a better turn of phrase) to the point where &#039;news&#039; can be anything from disinterested presentation of substantive events to total cobblers?

I certainly see where Rumbold (3) is coming from, but is there not an element here that the press are being reigned in because they are just asking to  be?  And the double standard is unpalatable.

It was particularly distasteful getting a lecture from Paul Dacre on the subject of protecting rights/privacy and the Human Rights Act.  That felt like being lectured to by Jordan on putting my chest away.

Stark reality is that freedom of the press as currently practised looks suspiciously close to being no more than the freedom to dumb down in order to sell more copy.  Fair enough, but no one should be kidding them self that somehow that is the same thing as freedom of the press as an intrinsic component of a healthy democracy.  Whose ever interest the media hysterics are in, it does not appear to be the public.

Self regulation has failed to protect the public or drive up standards.  Hysterical sells.  I am not a big fan of more regulation on the media, but I certainly wont shed too many tears for the hacks either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny &#8211; &#8216;So the government is finally getting its act together and putting forward legislation that would stop the media from pouncing on unsubstantiated rumours based on â€œanonymous sourcesâ€ when it relates to terrorism related threats.&#8217;</p>
<p>It is an interesting article on a complex issue.</p>
<p>The slightly bigger question to my mind is how have we got to  a place where the government has to act?  Why have the media dumbed down (for want of a better turn of phrase) to the point where &#8216;news&#8217; can be anything from disinterested presentation of substantive events to total cobblers?</p>
<p>I certainly see where Rumbold (3) is coming from, but is there not an element here that the press are being reigned in because they are just asking to  be?  And the double standard is unpalatable.</p>
<p>It was particularly distasteful getting a lecture from Paul Dacre on the subject of protecting rights/privacy and the Human Rights Act.  That felt like being lectured to by Jordan on putting my chest away.</p>
<p>Stark reality is that freedom of the press as currently practised looks suspiciously close to being no more than the freedom to dumb down in order to sell more copy.  Fair enough, but no one should be kidding them self that somehow that is the same thing as freedom of the press as an intrinsic component of a healthy democracy.  Whose ever interest the media hysterics are in, it does not appear to be the public.</p>
<p>Self regulation has failed to protect the public or drive up standards.  Hysterical sells.  I am not a big fan of more regulation on the media, but I certainly wont shed too many tears for the hacks either.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2474#comment-135137</link>
		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a case for tightening reporting proceedings when it comes to people who have merely been accused/arrested. But handing over vast and ill-defined powers to a lying and power-mad state isn&#039;t the answer. They they will be able to supress anything they want.

You need to regain your cynical eye Sunny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a case for tightening reporting proceedings when it comes to people who have merely been accused/arrested. But handing over vast and ill-defined powers to a lying and power-mad state isn&#8217;t the answer. They they will be able to supress anything they want.</p>
<p>You need to regain your cynical eye Sunny.</p>
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		<title>By: David T</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2474#comment-135091</link>
		<dc:creator>David T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take it that you&#039;re referring to the leaking of information about terrorist plots, before trials: and not suggesting - for example - that there was no plot to behead a British soldier?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it that you&#8217;re referring to the leaking of information about terrorist plots, before trials: and not suggesting &#8211; for example &#8211; that there was no plot to behead a British soldier?</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny, endorsing the move for the government to advance its powers in this manner seems incredibly illiberal.

First they come for the newspapers, next the bloggers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny, endorsing the move for the government to advance its powers in this manner seems incredibly illiberal.</p>
<p>First they come for the newspapers, next the bloggers?</p>
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