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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2472#comment-135839</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>billy, as everyone here knows I haven&#039;t recanted a thing, merely qualified and softened my words. Don&#039;t overestimate yourself. I don&#039;t play debating society games. If I ever recant, I will say it from the top of my voice. Run along now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>billy, as everyone here knows I haven&#8217;t recanted a thing, merely qualified and softened my words. Don&#8217;t overestimate yourself. I don&#8217;t play debating society games. If I ever recant, I will say it from the top of my voice. Run along now.</p>
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		<title>By: Imran Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2472#comment-135837</link>
		<dc:creator>Imran Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave T - There you have it your position is quite clear.

I&#039;m sure that if the JNF was facing such a position then you&#039;d be leading a campaign.

So sad that people don&#039;t see HP for what it is.

So to Sid and all those that thought HP was a place for raising such issues you can see for your own selves what they truly think.

I wonder if Dave T supporters such as Ms. Newton will now rethink their positions???? 

Should InterPal be subject to the legal process or mob law?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave T &#8211; There you have it your position is quite clear.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that if the JNF was facing such a position then you&#8217;d be leading a campaign.</p>
<p>So sad that people don&#8217;t see HP for what it is.</p>
<p>So to Sid and all those that thought HP was a place for raising such issues you can see for your own selves what they truly think.</p>
<p>I wonder if Dave T supporters such as Ms. Newton will now rethink their positions???? </p>
<p>Should InterPal be subject to the legal process or mob law?</p>
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		<title>By: billy</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2472#comment-135778</link>
		<dc:creator>billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I wouldnâ€™t accuse most people here â€” even ones I have clashed with on occasion â€” of setting out to be tribal warriors but they have sometimes given the wrong impression.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m glad that you recanted from calling people &#039;tribal warriors&#039; without naming them specifically. It was a pejorative phrase and didn&#039;t seem suitable for the people here who are on the whole good people, even when they say things I might not agree with, as far as the writers here are concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wouldnâ€™t accuse most people here â€” even ones I have clashed with on occasion â€” of setting out to be tribal warriors but they have sometimes given the wrong impression.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that you recanted from calling people &#8216;tribal warriors&#8217; without naming them specifically. It was a pejorative phrase and didn&#8217;t seem suitable for the people here who are on the whole good people, even when they say things I might not agree with, as far as the writers here are concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: David T</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2472#comment-135747</link>
		<dc:creator>David T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/11/17/lloyds-tsb-to-close-interpals-bank-account/</description>
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		<title>By: David T</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2472#comment-135738</link>
		<dc:creator>David T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will certainly run a piece on it.</description>
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		<title>By: Imran Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2472#comment-135690</link>
		<dc:creator>Imran Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Dave T will support the efforts of many people in rescinding the appalling ban on InterPal which is so far guilty of no crime other than Humaitarian help to Palestinians.

Interpal faces the unfair closure of its accounts by LloydsTSB without having been found guilty of any crime. Even though 2 million Muslims and I don&#039;t know how many Palestinians have helped bail  them out of their mess.

Surely innocent until proven guilty applies.

Come on DaveT get campaigning on HP and show us Muslims you know what it is like and stand with us on a major issue of unfairness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Dave T will support the efforts of many people in rescinding the appalling ban on InterPal which is so far guilty of no crime other than Humaitarian help to Palestinians.</p>
<p>Interpal faces the unfair closure of its accounts by LloydsTSB without having been found guilty of any crime. Even though 2 million Muslims and I don&#8217;t know how many Palestinians have helped bail  them out of their mess.</p>
<p>Surely innocent until proven guilty applies.</p>
<p>Come on DaveT get campaigning on HP and show us Muslims you know what it is like and stand with us on a major issue of unfairness.</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2472#comment-135601</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have made an effort to read all the comments, but I ran out of steam after 60 or 70.
A few thoughts:
1) Billy, I haven&#039;t come across you before. I wouldn&#039;t accuse most people here -- even ones I have clashed with on occasion -- of setting out to be tribal warriors but they have sometimes given the wrong impression. I suggest that&#039;s largely because they have convinced themselves that the means justify the ends, which is a very dangerous game. They need to learn that race politics is not like party politics. I suggest you go over previous posts for a bit of context.
2) If DavidT is trying to set the record straight -- i.e. doubleback because he regrets giving the wrong impression -- then I don&#039;t see the problem. If you believe in redemption and forgiveness -- as I do -- then it&#039;s where you&#039;re at that matters not where you&#039;re from.
3) &quot;Commenters&quot; is an odd word isn&#039;t it? Maybe it&#039;s just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have made an effort to read all the comments, but I ran out of steam after 60 or 70.<br />
A few thoughts:<br />
1) Billy, I haven&#8217;t come across you before. I wouldn&#8217;t accuse most people here &#8212; even ones I have clashed with on occasion &#8212; of setting out to be tribal warriors but they have sometimes given the wrong impression. I suggest that&#8217;s largely because they have convinced themselves that the means justify the ends, which is a very dangerous game. They need to learn that race politics is not like party politics. I suggest you go over previous posts for a bit of context.<br />
2) If DavidT is trying to set the record straight &#8212; i.e. doubleback because he regrets giving the wrong impression &#8212; then I don&#8217;t see the problem. If you believe in redemption and forgiveness &#8212; as I do &#8212; then it&#8217;s where you&#8217;re at that matters not where you&#8217;re from.<br />
3) &#8220;Commenters&#8221; is an odd word isn&#8217;t it? Maybe it&#8217;s just me.</p>
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		<title>By: bananabrain</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2472#comment-135388</link>
		<dc:creator>bananabrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t make it my &quot;duty&quot;, but i do defend actions which i think merit defending and condemn those i think are harmful. i just think that you and i have very different ideas about what those are.

b&#039;shalom

bananabrain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t make it my &#8220;duty&#8221;, but i do defend actions which i think merit defending and condemn those i think are harmful. i just think that you and i have very different ideas about what those are.</p>
<p>b&#8217;shalom</p>
<p>bananabrain</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2472#comment-135382</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re post 88: Thanks Katy :) Toube doesnt really differentiate itself as a particularly Jewish sounding name to me, as opposed to German, French, etc.

&lt;i&gt;iâ€™m fairly sure iâ€™m to the left of david t politically but to the right religiously, so according to your definition, i expect youâ€™d consider me a racist, too, so iâ€™d actually like you to say it out loud if you think so.&lt;/i&gt;

Huh? i dont consider u a racist. but if u were in the habit of making it ur duty to defend those actions of the israeli state which served to perpetuate and extend a system of apartheid and racial segregation i would no doubt change my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re post 88: Thanks Katy <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Toube doesnt really differentiate itself as a particularly Jewish sounding name to me, as opposed to German, French, etc.</p>
<p><i>iâ€™m fairly sure iâ€™m to the left of david t politically but to the right religiously, so according to your definition, i expect youâ€™d consider me a racist, too, so iâ€™d actually like you to say it out loud if you think so.</i></p>
<p>Huh? i dont consider u a racist. but if u were in the habit of making it ur duty to defend those actions of the israeli state which served to perpetuate and extend a system of apartheid and racial segregation i would no doubt change my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: fugstar</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2472#comment-135314</link>
		<dc:creator>fugstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>munafiq/kafir/apostate not really used to be fair, which reveals the neo-literalism of your fudged definition, but feel free to self flagellate your symbolic errors wont really be recognised by many here.

besides i write quite pretty things when i intend oh blind, biased, bilesome and righteously indignant one. how are the beans? toast?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>munafiq/kafir/apostate not really used to be fair, which reveals the neo-literalism of your fudged definition, but feel free to self flagellate your symbolic errors wont really be recognised by many here.</p>
<p>besides i write quite pretty things when i intend oh blind, biased, bilesome and righteously indignant one. how are the beans? toast?</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2472#comment-135309</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could have said obsession if the post hadn&#039;t specifically invited a debate on DavidT and HP.</description>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2472#comment-135303</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Refresh, your obsession with HP is getting to silly proportions. We have somewhat diverging views on subjects on HP as well as PP. Trying to make both into monolithic blocks is rather silly. You could compare David and my views, but they&#039;re not necessarily reflective of both blogs wholly. Now please, get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refresh, your obsession with HP is getting to silly proportions. We have somewhat diverging views on subjects on HP as well as PP. Trying to make both into monolithic blocks is rather silly. You could compare David and my views, but they&#8217;re not necessarily reflective of both blogs wholly. Now please, get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;neo-literacy: A characteristic of someone who is drunk on their own alleged â€˜educationalâ€™ superiority&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That sums you up perfectly, fugstar. To a degree that is comedic, and uncanny. A case of projection I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>neo-literacy: A characteristic of someone who is drunk on their own alleged â€˜educationalâ€™ superiority</p></blockquote>
<p>That sums you up perfectly, fugstar. To a degree that is comedic, and uncanny. A case of projection I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2472#comment-135287</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#102 - Who is a takfiri?

Here is a definition for you:

When Muslim A sees Muslim B criticise extremist organisations such as the al Muhajiroun, Hizb ut Tahrir, Jamaat e Islami, Hezbollah or Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood etc for their anti-Islamic activities, Muslim A curls his lip, oozes bile and proceeds to call Muslim B a brown sahib/coconut/munafiq/kafir/apostate/colonised/drunk on their own alleged â€˜educationalâ€™ superiority etc.

In this case, Muslim A is a takfiri.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#102 &#8211; Who is a takfiri?</p>
<p>Here is a definition for you:</p>
<p>When Muslim A sees Muslim B criticise extremist organisations such as the al Muhajiroun, Hizb ut Tahrir, Jamaat e Islami, Hezbollah or Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood etc for their anti-Islamic activities, Muslim A curls his lip, oozes bile and proceeds to call Muslim B a brown sahib/coconut/munafiq/kafir/apostate/colonised/drunk on their own alleged â€˜educationalâ€™ superiority etc.</p>
<p>In this case, Muslim A is a takfiri.</p>
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		<title>By: bananabrain</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2472#comment-135285</link>
		<dc:creator>bananabrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gosh, i don&#039;t think i&#039;d be able to say.

b&#039;shalom

bananabrain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gosh, i don&#8217;t think i&#8217;d be able to say.</p>
<p>b&#8217;shalom</p>
<p>bananabrain</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did say fugstar was genius. 

Bananabrain, in general I comment here for the same sort of reasons.

&#039;i think that PP and HP have more in common than you care to admit.&#039;

I admit it was the case in the early days. Surely not now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did say fugstar was genius. </p>
<p>Bananabrain, in general I comment here for the same sort of reasons.</p>
<p>&#8216;i think that PP and HP have more in common than you care to admit.&#8217;</p>
<p>I admit it was the case in the early days. Surely not now?</p>
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		<title>By: fugstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fugstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is a takfiri? 

The only label i remember characterising your textually expressed religious character with is &#039;skin deep&#039;. And that is a result of your dogmatic secularist approach to everything, which you very well know. 

but does it feel better to play the alleged &#039;prog&#039;?

I&#039;m sorry you had a bad 90s, but your muslimosis (sickness of muslims and all their doings) is not my doing, it is more your responsibility than my doing. Your (past)abdications and (present)cluelessness are noted and probably linked.

Never have you distinguished a significant positive element is modern or nonmodern islamic thought for your readers, you are pretty hopeless.

hmmm

neo-literacy
A characteristic of someone who is drunk on their own alleged &#039;educational&#039; superiority. A common impediment of the Captive and Colonised Mind, it lends the afflicted thought and writing a circular, zealous and libelous ring. On close examination the lack of substance becomes clear, the houses are empty.

Web 2.0 has promoted the neo-literate, who actually doesn&#039;t want to understand or learn anything, into incompetance. Enabled by self-selection and intellectually ghettoised by malice, the noisy media, propaganda and his own bad antenna, the neo-literate is only able to mislead people with his tricks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is a takfiri? </p>
<p>The only label i remember characterising your textually expressed religious character with is &#8216;skin deep&#8217;. And that is a result of your dogmatic secularist approach to everything, which you very well know. </p>
<p>but does it feel better to play the alleged &#8216;prog&#8217;?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry you had a bad 90s, but your muslimosis (sickness of muslims and all their doings) is not my doing, it is more your responsibility than my doing. Your (past)abdications and (present)cluelessness are noted and probably linked.</p>
<p>Never have you distinguished a significant positive element is modern or nonmodern islamic thought for your readers, you are pretty hopeless.</p>
<p>hmmm</p>
<p>neo-literacy<br />
A characteristic of someone who is drunk on their own alleged &#8216;educational&#8217; superiority. A common impediment of the Captive and Colonised Mind, it lends the afflicted thought and writing a circular, zealous and libelous ring. On close examination the lack of substance becomes clear, the houses are empty.</p>
<p>Web 2.0 has promoted the neo-literate, who actually doesn&#8217;t want to understand or learn anything, into incompetance. Enabled by self-selection and intellectually ghettoised by malice, the noisy media, propaganda and his own bad antenna, the neo-literate is only able to mislead people with his tricks.</p>
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		<title>By: bananabrain</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2472#comment-135263</link>
		<dc:creator>bananabrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>soru - hur, hur, hur.

jai - i liked that too. but i prefer &quot;demonositude&quot;, it has a sort of don king splendiferoutasticity to it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;You could take Bananabrainâ€™s position and suggest some sort of closer link between PP and HP. Or you could take the view, which I believe many do, PP is nothing like HP.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
that&#039;s not precisely what i mean, refresh. i think that PP and HP have more in common than you care to admit. the major differences are a) the dominant perspectives of the denizens b) the below-the-line policy and c) the level of invective, which is rather linked to b). one of the reasons i post here, rather than HP, is that people are more polite and considered, although on balance, i disagree about the same amount for various different reasons. like many, i don&#039;t enjoy constant firefights with people who have no intention of opening their minds to possibility (morgoth springs to mind) in an environment in which name-calling and abuse take the place of reasoned argument, as much as i enjoy invective from time to time. plus, i don&#039;t have much to learn from the people at HP, whereas over here there is a good selection of people who i can at least respect whether i agree with them or not.

also - it&#039;s kind of &quot;brown&quot; here, which is valuable to me as i don&#039;t have access to such a forum in my daily life at this point.

b&#039;shalom

bananabrain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>soru &#8211; hur, hur, hur.</p>
<p>jai &#8211; i liked that too. but i prefer &#8220;demonositude&#8221;, it has a sort of don king splendiferoutasticity to it.</p>
<blockquote><p>You could take Bananabrainâ€™s position and suggest some sort of closer link between PP and HP. Or you could take the view, which I believe many do, PP is nothing like HP.</p></blockquote>
<p>that&#8217;s not precisely what i mean, refresh. i think that PP and HP have more in common than you care to admit. the major differences are a) the dominant perspectives of the denizens b) the below-the-line policy and c) the level of invective, which is rather linked to b). one of the reasons i post here, rather than HP, is that people are more polite and considered, although on balance, i disagree about the same amount for various different reasons. like many, i don&#8217;t enjoy constant firefights with people who have no intention of opening their minds to possibility (morgoth springs to mind) in an environment in which name-calling and abuse take the place of reasoned argument, as much as i enjoy invective from time to time. plus, i don&#8217;t have much to learn from the people at HP, whereas over here there is a good selection of people who i can at least respect whether i agree with them or not.</p>
<p>also &#8211; it&#8217;s kind of &#8220;brown&#8221; here, which is valuable to me as i don&#8217;t have access to such a forum in my daily life at this point.</p>
<p>b&#8217;shalom</p>
<p>bananabrain</p>
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		<title>By: Jai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, &quot;demonosity&quot; was my favourite. Goddamned bunch of fork-tailed bandits.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, &#8220;demonosity&#8221; was my favourite. Goddamned bunch of fork-tailed bandits.</p>
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		<title>By: soru</title>
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		<dc:creator>soru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a neo-literate is someone who understands the sequels to the Matrix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a neo-literate is someone who understands the sequels to the Matrix.</p>
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