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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/244#comment-10039</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as if by magic, &lt;a href=&quot;http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=businessNews&amp;storyID=2006-01-25T120924Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-233648-2.xml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; China is now officially at least No. 5 in the world&lt;/a&gt; -- albeit with a GDP per capita comprable to Morocco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as if by magic, <a href="http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=businessNews&amp;storyID=2006-01-25T120924Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-233648-2.xml" rel="nofollow"> China is now officially at least No. 5 in the world</a> &#8212; albeit with a GDP per capita comprable to Morocco.</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/244#comment-9963</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &lt;a href=&quot;https://registration.ft.com/registration/barrier?referer=http://news.ft.com/home/uk&amp;location=http%3A//news.ft.com/cms/s/e4462190-8c42-11da-9efb-0000779e2340.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; this&lt;/a&gt; is the article Neel was referring to (or at least the intro).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think <a href="https://registration.ft.com/registration/barrier?referer=http://news.ft.com/home/uk&amp;location=http%3A//news.ft.com/cms/s/e4462190-8c42-11da-9efb-0000779e2340.html" rel="nofollow"> this</a> is the article Neel was referring to (or at least the intro).</p>
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		<title>By: Neel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/244#comment-9958</link>
		<dc:creator>Neel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read the FT today.</description>
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		<title>By: Jay Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Sandeep makes good points - and everyone is agreed upon the need for India to spend massively on infrastructure. 

El Cid - the degree to which New Delhi will be willing to cede economic policy to federal state level will be a test of the centre&#039;s political maturity and confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Sandeep makes good points &#8211; and everyone is agreed upon the need for India to spend massively on infrastructure. </p>
<p>El Cid &#8211; the degree to which New Delhi will be willing to cede economic policy to federal state level will be a test of the centre&#8217;s political maturity and confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China has outbid India on several key African Oil reserve projects but the fierce bidding is also detrimental to the final winner, its no good paying an over the odds price for something, hence there was a successful joint bid in Syria which both China and India have agreed is the way forward. I read the article in the FT so wil post a link later if i can be bothered

Investment in Infrastruture is the key:
With the exception of telecommunications, the cost of most infrastructure services is 50â€“100 per cent higher than in China, with Indian manufacturers paying twice as much for electricity and three times as much for rail freight.

The gap is widening, too. China spent seven times as much as India on infrastructure in 2003, the latest year for which figures are available, and three times as much relative to the size of its economy â€“ $150bn (10.6 per cent of gross domestic product) compared with $21bn in India (3.5 per cent of GDP), according to Morgan Stanley.
http://neweconomist.blogs.com/new_economist/2005/11/india_the_expor.html#more</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China has outbid India on several key African Oil reserve projects but the fierce bidding is also detrimental to the final winner, its no good paying an over the odds price for something, hence there was a successful joint bid in Syria which both China and India have agreed is the way forward. I read the article in the FT so wil post a link later if i can be bothered</p>
<p>Investment in Infrastruture is the key:<br />
With the exception of telecommunications, the cost of most infrastructure services is 50â€“100 per cent higher than in China, with Indian manufacturers paying twice as much for electricity and three times as much for rail freight.</p>
<p>The gap is widening, too. China spent seven times as much as India on infrastructure in 2003, the latest year for which figures are available, and three times as much relative to the size of its economy â€“ $150bn (10.6 per cent of gross domestic product) compared with $21bn in India (3.5 per cent of GDP), according to Morgan Stanley.<br />
<a href="http://neweconomist.blogs.com/new_economist/2005/11/india_the_expor.html#more" rel="nofollow">http://neweconomist.blogs.com/new_economist/2005/11/india_the_expor.html#more</a></p>
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		<title>By: raz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/244#comment-9694</link>
		<dc:creator>raz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>El Cid

The economic progress of Malaysia under autocratic rule is also worth considering.</description>
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<p>The economic progress of Malaysia under autocratic rule is also worth considering.</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/244#comment-9689</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the interesting parallel themes thrown up by the inevitable Indo-Pak flamewar and China comparisons is the question of whether democracy or &lt;strike&gt;benign&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;strike&gt;enlightened&lt;/strike&gt; pragmatic dictatorship is best suited for piloting an economy onto the runway of sustainable takeoff. It&#039;s something Singh alludes to. Believe it or not, but in financial circles it is widely accepted that General Pinochet&#039;s policies helped to ensure Chile&#039;s rapid progress!   
I agree with Singh when he says democracy will serve India well in the long-run. But in in the short-term, when you have over a billion people, it must seem like piloting an oil tanker at times.
I&#039;m glad Sandeep that you drill down to a regional level. It&#039;s an overlooked theme. I suspect India would benefit economically if more power was decentralised and more decisions were taken at a regional level, but I&#039;m not sure whether Indian nationalists would countenance that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the interesting parallel themes thrown up by the inevitable Indo-Pak flamewar and China comparisons is the question of whether democracy or <strike>benign</strike> <strike>enlightened</strike> pragmatic dictatorship is best suited for piloting an economy onto the runway of sustainable takeoff. It&#8217;s something Singh alludes to. Believe it or not, but in financial circles it is widely accepted that General Pinochet&#8217;s policies helped to ensure Chile&#8217;s rapid progress!<br />
I agree with Singh when he says democracy will serve India well in the long-run. But in in the short-term, when you have over a billion people, it must seem like piloting an oil tanker at times.<br />
I&#8217;m glad Sandeep that you drill down to a regional level. It&#8217;s an overlooked theme. I suspect India would benefit economically if more power was decentralised and more decisions were taken at a regional level, but I&#8217;m not sure whether Indian nationalists would countenance that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>El Cid

Good article</description>
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<p>Good article</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/244#comment-9686</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the plug and the complements by the way.
I too am unconvinced by the trickle down theory but I&#039;m even less convinced by the idea of wasting scarce public money in order to make inefficient state companies &lt;i&gt;more efficient and expand their activities.&lt;/i&gt; Capitalism, the private sector, profit, entrepreneurship -- these are not dirty words for me.
Capital spending on infrastructure and education is certainly a priority though. (How very New Labour!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the plug and the complements by the way.<br />
I too am unconvinced by the trickle down theory but I&#8217;m even less convinced by the idea of wasting scarce public money in order to make inefficient state companies <i>more efficient and expand their activities.</i> Capitalism, the private sector, profit, entrepreneurship &#8212; these are not dirty words for me.<br />
Capital spending on infrastructure and education is certainly a priority though. (How very New Labour!)</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/244#comment-9685</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Japan may have developed rapidly after WW2 but it laid the foundations for its progress long before that, during the reign of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h48japan.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Emperor Meiji (1868-1912)&lt;/a&gt;, when it reinvented itself as a Western-style economy in order to stave off Western imperialist intrusion. It industrialised during this period, turning itself into an ambitious power capable of defeating Russia in a war in 1905 and building a ruthless empire of its own, as you all know. 
The point is it already had an industrial base before WW2 (minus a democracy) -- Team Japan knew what to do -- and was a ready example of successful economic development for the likes of keen rival South Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japan may have developed rapidly after WW2 but it laid the foundations for its progress long before that, during the reign of <a href="http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h48japan.htm" rel="nofollow"> Emperor Meiji (1868-1912)</a>, when it reinvented itself as a Western-style economy in order to stave off Western imperialist intrusion. It industrialised during this period, turning itself into an ambitious power capable of defeating Russia in a war in 1905 and building a ruthless empire of its own, as you all know.<br />
The point is it already had an industrial base before WW2 (minus a democracy) &#8212; Team Japan knew what to do &#8212; and was a ready example of successful economic development for the likes of keen rival South Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: shiva</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/244#comment-9683</link>
		<dc:creator>shiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raz,

Your reply makes no sense at all.</description>
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<p>Your reply makes no sense at all.</p>
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		<title>By: raz</title>
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		<dc:creator>raz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 05:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, Sandeep, you&#039;re making more sense now. I think your original post (no.9) was misleading. We&#039;ll agree to differ on this matter :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, Sandeep, you&#8217;re making more sense now. I think your original post (no.9) was misleading. We&#8217;ll agree to differ on this matter <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vikrant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vikrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 04:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such open display of affection for me Sunny? Gee i&#039;m touched. I do know that China beats India hands down at nearly everything.... but at the same i&#039;m arguing with Raz that India and Pakistan are not in the same league. I for donot suffer from cultural relativist trappings. OTOH How is that interpal story linked to Asians? And why the fuck is a Class A bullshit spewing fundy blog (IndigoJo) linked to PP.While you are at it, why dont you link to http://www.jihadunspun.com!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such open display of affection for me Sunny? Gee i&#8217;m touched. I do know that China beats India hands down at nearly everything&#8230;. but at the same i&#8217;m arguing with Raz that India and Pakistan are not in the same league. I for donot suffer from cultural relativist trappings. OTOH How is that interpal story linked to Asians? And why the fuck is a Class A bullshit spewing fundy blog (IndigoJo) linked to PP.While you are at it, why dont you link to <a href="http://www.jihadunspun.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jihadunspun.com</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: FOB</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BIMARU = Bihar  Madhya Pradesh Rajasthan UP, also known as the cow belt or the Hindi heartland...
actually even Rajasthan and MP are doing much better now, its only Bihar and UP that remain a problem.UP alone has 120 million + people and Bihar around 60-70 million.

M.Singh was the best Finance minister we ever had and will be one of our best PMs toot.He has the support and respect of people in India across idelogical lines.

I agree with  Sandeep&#039;s contention that India is the wrolds biggest and most important social experiment.Japan , South Korea and Taiwan all had an American security  guarantee and are under the nuclear umbrella, which allowed them to focus on development solely.They also benefitted from massive American aid and investment.Taiwan and South Korea both were under autocratic rule for the majority of their history.I am not bellitling at all their very impressive achievement, just trying to highlight how India is different.Also Japan, SK and Taiwn are all realtively ethnically homogeous countries.
Coming to the US, it was a slave economy for almost 200 years after Plymouth rock.It was a democracy all right, a white, male democracy for much of it history.
African Americans got their civil rights only in the 60s .
India has had universal suffrage snce 1947.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BIMARU = Bihar  Madhya Pradesh Rajasthan UP, also known as the cow belt or the Hindi heartland&#8230;<br />
actually even Rajasthan and MP are doing much better now, its only Bihar and UP that remain a problem.UP alone has 120 million + people and Bihar around 60-70 million.</p>
<p>M.Singh was the best Finance minister we ever had and will be one of our best PMs toot.He has the support and respect of people in India across idelogical lines.</p>
<p>I agree with  Sandeep&#8217;s contention that India is the wrolds biggest and most important social experiment.Japan , South Korea and Taiwan all had an American security  guarantee and are under the nuclear umbrella, which allowed them to focus on development solely.They also benefitted from massive American aid and investment.Taiwan and South Korea both were under autocratic rule for the majority of their history.I am not bellitling at all their very impressive achievement, just trying to highlight how India is different.Also Japan, SK and Taiwn are all realtively ethnically homogeous countries.<br />
Coming to the US, it was a slave economy for almost 200 years after Plymouth rock.It was a democracy all right, a white, male democracy for much of it history.<br />
African Americans got their civil rights only in the 60s .<br />
India has had universal suffrage snce 1947.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandeep</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny

But look at India&#039;s social stratifications and backwardness, it&#039;s religiosity and patriarchy. Put all that in a mix, a country almost the size of a continent, with one billion people, and the scale of India&#039;s problems, and potential, differentiates it.

I am with you on the dangers of trickle down not trickling down - your point about massive capital spending on infrastructure and education to ensure as much as possible equality of opportunity is something I agree with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny</p>
<p>But look at India&#8217;s social stratifications and backwardness, it&#8217;s religiosity and patriarchy. Put all that in a mix, a country almost the size of a continent, with one billion people, and the scale of India&#8217;s problems, and potential, differentiates it.</p>
<p>I am with you on the dangers of trickle down not trickling down &#8211; your point about massive capital spending on infrastructure and education to ensure as much as possible equality of opportunity is something I agree with.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 01:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the BIMARU states? First time I&#039;ve heard that phrase... 

Sandeep: While I like Manmohan Singh, I do believe he is exaggerating slightly America was a democracy almost from the start as it developed into a modern economy, while taking in and successfully absorbing millions of immigrants throughout (and continues to do so). 

South Korea and Taiwan are democracies, if rather more consensual than the turbulent times we have had. Even Japan developed since 1950 (with a much much smaller industrial base) as a democracy and overtook us ages ago.

So one could say, yeah its a rather big experiment, but I wouldn&#039;t say India is the only democracy to have tried it. I&#039;m not sure what &quot;social revolution&quot; he is referring to, but for example... Japan had to get over two nukes on its cities and having lost a world war with great humiliation.  I&#039;d say that was bad enough. South Korea and Taiwan have developed more recently, doing the same (trying to tap into the global knowledge economy) while dealing with potential problems (North Korea and China respectively).

I don&#039;t want to give too much credence to Singh because he doesn&#039;t have much of a specific plan to lift people out of poverty either.

The general theory in vogue is the Milton Friedman &quot;trickle down effect&quot;. Everyone hopes that as the top strata does well, the benefits will trickle down.

Unfortunately it has never really worked like that, and the danger is you lead to more social unrest. India has never been more unequal and every day it grows more unequal. That is asking for trouble.

YEah I sound like a pessimist, but that&#039;s because I don&#039;t buy the trickle down theory so readily despite growing up on a diet of The Economist :)

The way out is hardcore investment into infrastructure - so much so that they become cheap and accessible to the poorest of the poor - not privatise the damn companies but to make them efficient and expand their activities. But little of that is happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the BIMARU states? First time I&#8217;ve heard that phrase&#8230; </p>
<p>Sandeep: While I like Manmohan Singh, I do believe he is exaggerating slightly America was a democracy almost from the start as it developed into a modern economy, while taking in and successfully absorbing millions of immigrants throughout (and continues to do so). </p>
<p>South Korea and Taiwan are democracies, if rather more consensual than the turbulent times we have had. Even Japan developed since 1950 (with a much much smaller industrial base) as a democracy and overtook us ages ago.</p>
<p>So one could say, yeah its a rather big experiment, but I wouldn&#8217;t say India is the only democracy to have tried it. I&#8217;m not sure what &#8220;social revolution&#8221; he is referring to, but for example&#8230; Japan had to get over two nukes on its cities and having lost a world war with great humiliation.  I&#8217;d say that was bad enough. South Korea and Taiwan have developed more recently, doing the same (trying to tap into the global knowledge economy) while dealing with potential problems (North Korea and China respectively).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to give too much credence to Singh because he doesn&#8217;t have much of a specific plan to lift people out of poverty either.</p>
<p>The general theory in vogue is the Milton Friedman &#8220;trickle down effect&#8221;. Everyone hopes that as the top strata does well, the benefits will trickle down.</p>
<p>Unfortunately it has never really worked like that, and the danger is you lead to more social unrest. India has never been more unequal and every day it grows more unequal. That is asking for trouble.</p>
<p>YEah I sound like a pessimist, but that&#8217;s because I don&#8217;t buy the trickle down theory so readily despite growing up on a diet of The Economist <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The way out is hardcore investment into infrastructure &#8211; so much so that they become cheap and accessible to the poorest of the poor &#8211; not privatise the damn companies but to make them efficient and expand their activities. But little of that is happening.</p>
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		<title>By: FOB</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 01:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Chinese economic model is based on massive foriegn investment and very inefficient use of capital.In comparison, India uses capital much more efficiently and grows at only 1-2% less.The Indian economic miracle is also based in large part on homegrown entrepreneurship.
There are parts of India paritcularyl the South, West and Punjab , Haryana and Delhi in the North which have per capita GDP of mid-level countires like Thailand.It is the BIMARU states that drag down the Indian per capita figures .
What India needs to do and in fact has started doing is addressing infrastructure concerns.The Golden quad highway project, upgradation of ports and railways and expolsive growth in aviation are going to totally revolutionize Indian infrastructure. FDI in retail has been approved and modern construction standards are the norm in India. Just FYI, I worked in India&#039;s top IT company and the infrastructure that we had access to was better than most companies in the US where I now work.
According to various forecasts, India is likely to emerge as the 3rd largest economy by the first quarter of this century and is eventually expected to be the largest and  overtake China too because of the demographic dividend of a very young population compared to China&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chinese economic model is based on massive foriegn investment and very inefficient use of capital.In comparison, India uses capital much more efficiently and grows at only 1-2% less.The Indian economic miracle is also based in large part on homegrown entrepreneurship.<br />
There are parts of India paritcularyl the South, West and Punjab , Haryana and Delhi in the North which have per capita GDP of mid-level countires like Thailand.It is the BIMARU states that drag down the Indian per capita figures .<br />
What India needs to do and in fact has started doing is addressing infrastructure concerns.The Golden quad highway project, upgradation of ports and railways and expolsive growth in aviation are going to totally revolutionize Indian infrastructure. FDI in retail has been approved and modern construction standards are the norm in India. Just FYI, I worked in India&#8217;s top IT company and the infrastructure that we had access to was better than most companies in the US where I now work.<br />
According to various forecasts, India is likely to emerge as the 3rd largest economy by the first quarter of this century and is eventually expected to be the largest and  overtake China too because of the demographic dividend of a very young population compared to China&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a starting point Sid:

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/-/world/east-asia/china/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a starting point Sid:</p>
<p><a href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/-/world/east-asia/china/" rel="nofollow">http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/-/world/east-asia/china/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Siddharth</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. Would be interested to know if there&#039;s a Chinese group blog that discusses Chinese politics in English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. Would be interested to know if there&#8217;s a Chinese group blog that discusses Chinese politics in English.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandeep</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny

&lt;i&gt;But my point is right now in absolute terms we are not that far ahead. The groundwork is being laid down for future expansion, but Iâ€™m not convinced this is the best way to lift the hundreds of millions out of poverty in a way China has done.&lt;/i&gt;

What scope does India have to act as China has done? India has to do it her own way, under the restraints of her own polity. It is a slow start and I acknowledge your cautiousness to stave off the &#039;India Shining&#039; complacency, but now is the time to support these foundations that are being laid down. 

Your point about state spending on infrastructure projects is something that I would like to know more about. It is definitely needed. Not only for short to medium term job creation, but because without basic infrastructure India will always lag behind.

What Manmohan Singh has said is true - I cannot think of another example of a society attempting to do what India is doing now, especially now that a consensus on direction has started to form - to integrate an economy into a global economic system on the basis of high tech, knowledge workers, whilst carrying at the same time, and trying to alleviate, a large population mired in poverty. It will take generations. But there is one thing we should never deny people - that is the opportunity to participate in the growth of the Indian economy. To keep the wealth flowing downwards will be the key to harmonising the Indian economy with its people. This is the challenge - but can you think of any model in history for this, that has been attempted with the polity, the size, and the extremities of poverty and wealth that India has?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny</p>
<p><i>But my point is right now in absolute terms we are not that far ahead. The groundwork is being laid down for future expansion, but Iâ€™m not convinced this is the best way to lift the hundreds of millions out of poverty in a way China has done.</i></p>
<p>What scope does India have to act as China has done? India has to do it her own way, under the restraints of her own polity. It is a slow start and I acknowledge your cautiousness to stave off the &#8216;India Shining&#8217; complacency, but now is the time to support these foundations that are being laid down. </p>
<p>Your point about state spending on infrastructure projects is something that I would like to know more about. It is definitely needed. Not only for short to medium term job creation, but because without basic infrastructure India will always lag behind.</p>
<p>What Manmohan Singh has said is true &#8211; I cannot think of another example of a society attempting to do what India is doing now, especially now that a consensus on direction has started to form &#8211; to integrate an economy into a global economic system on the basis of high tech, knowledge workers, whilst carrying at the same time, and trying to alleviate, a large population mired in poverty. It will take generations. But there is one thing we should never deny people &#8211; that is the opportunity to participate in the growth of the Indian economy. To keep the wealth flowing downwards will be the key to harmonising the Indian economy with its people. This is the challenge &#8211; but can you think of any model in history for this, that has been attempted with the polity, the size, and the extremities of poverty and wealth that India has?</p>
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