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	<title>Comments on: 75% of Jews back Obama</title>
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		<title>By: billericaydicky</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2430#comment-133308</link>
		<dc:creator>billericaydicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has to be remembered is that for a long time there was common cause between Jews and blacks during the civil rights era. Two of those murdered in the killing that &quot;Mississippi Burning&quot; was about were Jewish civil rights workers. 

Going back to the 1920s the American Communist Party was very heavily Jewish, as it was here, and made great efforts to recruit blacks both in the industrial north and the agricultural south.

Things began to change in th 60s when black nationalism began to emerge in the shape of the Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam. White students were expelled from the Student Non Violent Coordinating Committee and the anti semitism of Marcus Garvey&#039;s United Negro Improvement Association began to permeate everything.

Religious and political leaders like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton made openly anti semitic statements and Sharpton even started an anti Jewish riot in New York in which three people died.

Without any shadow of a doubt though it was the utterly insane statements of the Nation of Islam which alienated Jews from blacks for at least a generation. What reinforced this divorce was the fact that mainstream black America refused to condemn Farrakhan out of a misplaced sense of black solidarity. 

It is clear that in spite of the fact that the pastor of his church was at least some kind of a black fundamentalist Obama has put that behind him. Certainly the attack by Phillips where she highlighted his links to the Weather People  terrorists and other things have failed to dent his popularity. 

Much of what Phillips writes is on target because very often those whom she attacks have made themselves easy targets. All black short lists, racial quotas, the Lee Jasper financial shennanicans have all been handed to her on a plate.  This time though there is a very nasty taste to what she is saying. Strange to think she started off as a left winger on the Guardian.

If whites,Jews and Latinos turn out in large numbers for Obama in a weeks time I think we can say that, while race will remain an issue in America, that country will be moving into a post racial situation.  The days of the Jesses and Als will be over, they will fight a reaguard action but their days are done.

That of course leaves our own racial warriors over here out on a limb. They are totally wedded to the model that is now being ditched. Interestingly New Nation has yesterday come out totally in support of Farrakhan demanding that the ban on his entry into this country be lifted just as the Home Office is reinforcing bans on extremists.

All in all the next few years will be interesting in terms of racial politics with the BNPlikely to be running Stoke and getting a couple of seats in the European Parliament, that is if we don&#039;t stop them. Allvolunteers welcome. Keep an eye on www.hopenothate.org.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has to be remembered is that for a long time there was common cause between Jews and blacks during the civil rights era. Two of those murdered in the killing that &#8220;Mississippi Burning&#8221; was about were Jewish civil rights workers. </p>
<p>Going back to the 1920s the American Communist Party was very heavily Jewish, as it was here, and made great efforts to recruit blacks both in the industrial north and the agricultural south.</p>
<p>Things began to change in th 60s when black nationalism began to emerge in the shape of the Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam. White students were expelled from the Student Non Violent Coordinating Committee and the anti semitism of Marcus Garvey&#8217;s United Negro Improvement Association began to permeate everything.</p>
<p>Religious and political leaders like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton made openly anti semitic statements and Sharpton even started an anti Jewish riot in New York in which three people died.</p>
<p>Without any shadow of a doubt though it was the utterly insane statements of the Nation of Islam which alienated Jews from blacks for at least a generation. What reinforced this divorce was the fact that mainstream black America refused to condemn Farrakhan out of a misplaced sense of black solidarity. </p>
<p>It is clear that in spite of the fact that the pastor of his church was at least some kind of a black fundamentalist Obama has put that behind him. Certainly the attack by Phillips where she highlighted his links to the Weather People  terrorists and other things have failed to dent his popularity. </p>
<p>Much of what Phillips writes is on target because very often those whom she attacks have made themselves easy targets. All black short lists, racial quotas, the Lee Jasper financial shennanicans have all been handed to her on a plate.  This time though there is a very nasty taste to what she is saying. Strange to think she started off as a left winger on the Guardian.</p>
<p>If whites,Jews and Latinos turn out in large numbers for Obama in a weeks time I think we can say that, while race will remain an issue in America, that country will be moving into a post racial situation.  The days of the Jesses and Als will be over, they will fight a reaguard action but their days are done.</p>
<p>That of course leaves our own racial warriors over here out on a limb. They are totally wedded to the model that is now being ditched. Interestingly New Nation has yesterday come out totally in support of Farrakhan demanding that the ban on his entry into this country be lifted just as the Home Office is reinforcing bans on extremists.</p>
<p>All in all the next few years will be interesting in terms of racial politics with the BNPlikely to be running Stoke and getting a couple of seats in the European Parliament, that is if we don&#8217;t stop them. Allvolunteers welcome. Keep an eye on <a href="http://www.hopenothate.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.hopenothate.org.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2430#comment-133304</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katy, my point isn&#039;t about Jewish commentators for Obama, only that one of the main media narratives here has been that Jews wouldn&#039;t support Obama in big numbers, as neither would white males. Now both those theories are being over-turned.

Matt - oh, you would not believe the level of identity politics here. I can give you details of how white males under the age of 24 voted for the last 5 elections, and with older black women etc etc. They poll the hell out of everything. Jews are just part of the mix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katy, my point isn&#8217;t about Jewish commentators for Obama, only that one of the main media narratives here has been that Jews wouldn&#8217;t support Obama in big numbers, as neither would white males. Now both those theories are being over-turned.</p>
<p>Matt &#8211; oh, you would not believe the level of identity politics here. I can give you details of how white males under the age of 24 voted for the last 5 elections, and with older black women etc etc. They poll the hell out of everything. Jews are just part of the mix.</p>
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		<title>By: Gege</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2430#comment-133170</link>
		<dc:creator>Gege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too get worried about MP&#039;s attempts to link Obama to a grand conspiracy against Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too get worried about MP&#8217;s attempts to link Obama to a grand conspiracy against Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Newton</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2430#comment-133131</link>
		<dc:creator>Katy Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leon, I think you mean &quot;for the lemon meringue pie&quot; :-D

... which I will get onto as soon as I have finished the mango and lime ice cream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leon, I think you mean &#8220;for the lemon meringue pie&#8221; <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8230; which I will get onto as soon as I have finished the mango and lime ice cream.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sid, oh right. In that case his comments will be deleted then.

Katy, for you my sweet I&#039;d end all diets. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sid, oh right. In that case his comments will be deleted then.</p>
<p>Katy, for you my sweet I&#8217;d end all diets. <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Katy Newton</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2430#comment-133127</link>
		<dc:creator>Katy Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, people do make a big deal out of the Muslim vote, at least in elections over here.  And over in America they talk a lot about the Christian vote.  And the black vote.  I&#039;m Jewish, so I notice it more when people talk about the Jewish vote, but to be fair it happens all the time with all sorts of minorities, depending on the election that&#039;s being held.

Leon, you&#039;re not dieting, are you?  I don&#039;t cook for dieters.  Just saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, people do make a big deal out of the Muslim vote, at least in elections over here.  And over in America they talk a lot about the Christian vote.  And the black vote.  I&#8217;m Jewish, so I notice it more when people talk about the Jewish vote, but to be fair it happens all the time with all sorts of minorities, depending on the election that&#8217;s being held.</p>
<p>Leon, you&#8217;re not dieting, are you?  I don&#8217;t cook for dieters.  Just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2430#comment-133124</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Two and a half percent of the population, so why all the attention every four years? I think I can answer that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Comments like this remind me how little some people understand electoral politics. The reason they&#039;re made a big deal of is they are a group of voters that can be ID&#039;d by a commonality and they exist in a key or key battleground states. It&#039;s simply a campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Two and a half percent of the population, so why all the attention every four years? I think I can answer that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Comments like this remind me how little some people understand electoral politics. The reason they&#8217;re made a big deal of is they are a group of voters that can be ID&#8217;d by a commonality and they exist in a key or key battleground states. It&#8217;s simply a campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So shame on all the people who made predictions about how Jews would vote based on stereotypes and media misbehavior. Two and a half percent of the population, so why all the attention every four years? I think I can answer that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So shame on all the people who made predictions about how Jews would vote based on stereotypes and media misbehavior. Two and a half percent of the population, so why all the attention every four years? I think I can answer that.</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2430#comment-133096</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy

&#039;The lady is unhinged.&#039;

I&#039;ve long wished that to be the case. Its much much worse.

She knows exactly what she is about, and she is not alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy</p>
<p>&#8216;The lady is unhinged.&#8217;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve long wished that to be the case. Its much much worse.</p>
<p>She knows exactly what she is about, and she is not alone.</p>
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		<title>By: billy</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2430#comment-133094</link>
		<dc:creator>billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always resisted the &#039;mad Mel&#039; thing because I thought in amongst it all was just a highly strung counter-reaction to the refusal of many in the media and establishment to identify and honestly deal with the far-right threat of violent jihadi ideology. 

But having read her stuff on Obama the last few weeks I have come to the conclusion that she has somewhere along the line suffered a mental catastrophe of some kind. The lady is unhinged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always resisted the &#8216;mad Mel&#8217; thing because I thought in amongst it all was just a highly strung counter-reaction to the refusal of many in the media and establishment to identify and honestly deal with the far-right threat of violent jihadi ideology. </p>
<p>But having read her stuff on Obama the last few weeks I have come to the conclusion that she has somewhere along the line suffered a mental catastrophe of some kind. The lady is unhinged.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2430#comment-133091</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Besides, I doubt sheâ€™s widely read in America.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A real blessing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Besides, I doubt sheâ€™s widely read in America.</p></blockquote>
<p>A real blessing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Newton</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2430#comment-133074</link>
		<dc:creator>Katy Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides, I doubt she&#039;s widely read in America.  You probably more mean someone like Michelle Malkin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides, I doubt she&#8217;s widely read in America.  You probably more mean someone like Michelle Malkin.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Newton</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2430#comment-133070</link>
		<dc:creator>Katy Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess that not enough non-Jewish people are reading all the non-Jewish conservative commentators who say the same thing either, right?  

I&#039;m not really getting the point here.  People support Obama because they like him better than McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that not enough non-Jewish people are reading all the non-Jewish conservative commentators who say the same thing either, right?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not really getting the point here.  People support Obama because they like him better than McCain.</p>
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