http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/14/muslim.dvd/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

“On to Obsession have any of you seen it or care to debunk any of its arguments.”

Yes..

Latest news from Dayton:

Police: Can of pepper spray was found inside mosque.

One question. Has the 10 year old boy seen Obsession?

Ben

This is what I detest.

There is no pause for breath, and it cut’s both ways, between the culture warriors that grab this as a positive or a negative. It is just grist to the mill.

I like to think that PP is better than this sort of shit.

I think it is.

“I was mad, so I sort of shot from the hip,” Rodda said, adding she has not talked to any law enforcement agencies, hospital officials or Islamic Center president Dr. Tarek Sabagh. She said her information came from people who know some people that attend the mosque.

Quality journalism.

Funny enough I got one of these DVDs (I live in the DC metro area on the Virginia side). For anyone in the know about extremism this show is a bit ridiculous. It pushes a Hollywoodized version of reality. Of course they never actually connect the vast majority of muslims as being terrorists though the implication is definitely there.

You can see the FOX version (with a ridiculous promo) on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKt7J1U1Cs8

I don’t see how this show is drastically different from other documentaries on extremism. All of them typically will show a bunch of loons who rant on about jihad blah, blah, blah. Virtually all of them make the connection between Islam and terrorism at least by implication.

Connecting extremists to nazis is not in my view hate speech. Arguing that a religion may inherently be violent is not hate speech either. That is simply your opinion on a way of life. Is there something in this that points to all muslims being terrorists or something?

It is speculation, you’re absolutely right. Further investigation needs to be done. Speculation is a cheap and dirty commodity and yet we live in speculative times. And speculation can go either way.

Remember, the US went to war on speculations. The speculation that Saddam was linked with al-Qaeda was tenuous at best. Yet it was this speculation that fueled the US public’s sentiment to go with the war and invade Iraq.

The results of this hate campaign has already resulted in an attack with pepper gas at a Mosque school in Dayton, Ohio. A number of children have been hospitalised.

That a number of children were attacked with pepper gas and were hospitalised is a FACT. That there is a direct link between the DVD and this horrible act (and you don’t have to be a Muslim to feel very angry about whoever did this) is SPECULATION. You should know how to distinguish between both.

In any case, freedom of speech should not give anyone a justification for harming individuals, specially when it comes to children.

Imagine the Fox News/Daniel Pipes led media shitstorm had the school in question been christian and the victims white.

The guys are dead – they set fire to themselves by mistake trying to burn down their restaurant – Insurance Fraud not a hate crime.

Why don’t we await the outcome of the Mosque incident before we all jump to conclusions. It may well be that a crime has been committed – we don’t know yet. Maybe, the Huffington Post should have held fire on the linkage between Obsession and the ‘Mosque Attack’ until it has actually been proved. You know an actual tried and convicted offender who admits to having seen the film and carried out the act because of it.

Toodle Pip.

Or do you just want it banned?.

No, I just want it rubbished.

Which you so effectively do.

Young Mr Suburban Tory, sir.

“Or do you just want it banned?”

And how hilarious it would be to have free expression protests for Daniel “Ban the Burqa in public spaces” Pipes.

Nope. I’d rather see a coroners report than your quite obvious agenda…

But there you go, conclusion before fact.

Lets await the outcome, shall we? However inconvenient that might be for you. Shooting from the hip, eh?

On the Obsession theme, prove it, or shut the fuck up.