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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2341#comment-129971</link>
		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amrit:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I can imagine this turning (like every issue in this country does!) into a cause for class snobbery as well. Middle-class mums and dads will drive themselves to the recycling depots, while working-class people who are trying to just get on will revolt.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly. And it is just those middle class people who are enforcing the laws, because they themselves are not affected. We need to hurry along the libertarian revolution.

Leon:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;You forgot to add the Brixton and Southall riots of the early 80s.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Heh. We could be here for days.

MaidMarian:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Rumbold - with the greatest of respect, stop being such a drama queen!&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Me- a drama queen?! I&#039;m not going to talk to you now. Hmmph.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;If you want to have your revolution in my street Rumbold, make sure you clean up after your self-indulgent self. Iâ€™ll be doing something that worries me more like cleaning the mildew off my shower.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am not calling for a revolution, just noting that there is increasing resentment at this.

Sunny:

Green groups like any sort of recycling, as well as a fortnightly bin service, because it means less rubbish collected (or so they think).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amrit:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I can imagine this turning (like every issue in this country does!) into a cause for class snobbery as well. Middle-class mums and dads will drive themselves to the recycling depots, while working-class people who are trying to just get on will revolt.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly. And it is just those middle class people who are enforcing the laws, because they themselves are not affected. We need to hurry along the libertarian revolution.</p>
<p>Leon:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;You forgot to add the Brixton and Southall riots of the early 80s.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Heh. We could be here for days.</p>
<p>MaidMarian:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Rumbold &#8211; with the greatest of respect, stop being such a drama queen!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Me- a drama queen?! I&#8217;m not going to talk to you now. Hmmph.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;If you want to have your revolution in my street Rumbold, make sure you clean up after your self-indulgent self. Iâ€™ll be doing something that worries me more like cleaning the mildew off my shower.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I am not calling for a revolution, just noting that there is increasing resentment at this.</p>
<p>Sunny:</p>
<p>Green groups like any sort of recycling, as well as a fortnightly bin service, because it means less rubbish collected (or so they think).</p>
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		<title>By: MaidMarian</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2341#comment-129953</link>
		<dc:creator>MaidMarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny (11) - Thanks! I think!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny (11) &#8211; Thanks! I think!</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol at MM.

&lt;i&gt;There might be a few rounds of applause from green groups,&lt;/i&gt;

Why would that be then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol at MM.</p>
<p><i>There might be a few rounds of applause from green groups,</i></p>
<p>Why would that be then?</p>
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		<title>By: MaidMarian</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2341#comment-129925</link>
		<dc:creator>MaidMarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rumbold - with the greatest of respect, stop being such a drama queen!

Maybe the Daily Mail intelligentsia feel that they are being victimised on this one (&#039;Putting out your rubbish now requires a postgraduate degree in waste management&#039; - what to say - sorry you are thick?).  

To them and others I say tough.  I also, incidentally said tough to the whingeing neighbours who tried to get a local campaign going.

Amrit (8) is right that there probably are better ways to recycle, however I struggle to see anything that will not be painted by the Daily Mail and moaners as an imposition.

If you want to have your revolution in my street Rumbold, make sure you clean up after your self-indulgent self.  I&#039;ll be doing something that worries me more like cleaning the mildew off my shower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rumbold &#8211; with the greatest of respect, stop being such a drama queen!</p>
<p>Maybe the Daily Mail intelligentsia feel that they are being victimised on this one (&#8216;Putting out your rubbish now requires a postgraduate degree in waste management&#8217; &#8211; what to say &#8211; sorry you are thick?).  </p>
<p>To them and others I say tough.  I also, incidentally said tough to the whingeing neighbours who tried to get a local campaign going.</p>
<p>Amrit (8) is right that there probably are better ways to recycle, however I struggle to see anything that will not be painted by the Daily Mail and moaners as an imposition.</p>
<p>If you want to have your revolution in my street Rumbold, make sure you clean up after your self-indulgent self.  I&#8217;ll be doing something that worries me more like cleaning the mildew off my shower.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We have had riots (1381), civilised handovers of power (1688/9), and a civil war or two (1640s)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You forgot to add the Brixton and Southall riots of the early 80s. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We have had riots (1381), civilised handovers of power (1688/9), and a civil war or two (1640s)</p></blockquote>
<p>You forgot to add the Brixton and Southall riots of the early 80s. <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Amrit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the kind of thing me and several others were missing on PP - going outside the mainstream press!

I would like to say &#039;Good on the councils for pushing people to recycle more,&#039; but... *grimaces* There are better ways to do it than this! 

I can imagine this turning (like every issue in this country does!) into a cause for class snobbery as well. Middle-class mums and dads will drive themselves to the recycling depots, while working-class people who are trying to just get on will revolt... and then the papers will get hypocritically involved... :-(.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the kind of thing me and several others were missing on PP &#8211; going outside the mainstream press!</p>
<p>I would like to say &#8216;Good on the councils for pushing people to recycle more,&#8217; but&#8230; *grimaces* There are better ways to do it than this! </p>
<p>I can imagine this turning (like every issue in this country does!) into a cause for class snobbery as well. Middle-class mums and dads will drive themselves to the recycling depots, while working-class people who are trying to just get on will revolt&#8230; and then the papers will get hypocritically involved&#8230; <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sid and Douglas. It feels strange for so many people to agree with me about something.

Roger:

True enough- but I didn&#039;t want to put in too many dates in case eyes were rolled.

Bishop Hill:

I knew that the EU had something to do with it but I wasn&#039;t quite sure what. Thanks for that.

Golam Murtaza:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Incidentally, nothing to do with the thread, but legend has it that a huge monster used to stalk the moors above nearby Ilkley and it was called ROMBOLD GIANT. Any connection â€˜Rumboldâ€™?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Heh. Can&#039;t say that there is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sid and Douglas. It feels strange for so many people to agree with me about something.</p>
<p>Roger:</p>
<p>True enough- but I didn&#8217;t want to put in too many dates in case eyes were rolled.</p>
<p>Bishop Hill:</p>
<p>I knew that the EU had something to do with it but I wasn&#8217;t quite sure what. Thanks for that.</p>
<p>Golam Murtaza:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Incidentally, nothing to do with the thread, but legend has it that a huge monster used to stalk the moors above nearby Ilkley and it was called ROMBOLD GIANT. Any connection â€˜Rumboldâ€™?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Heh. Can&#8217;t say that there is.</p>
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		<title>By: Golam Murtaza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golam Murtaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My council (Bradford) usually comes in for a bit of a kicking, but in the nearly three years I&#039;ve lived here I&#039;ve never had any problems with my rubbish collection.  In fact the standard of collection has been excellent.  However, reading Rumbold&#039;s post makes me wonder how long that will last....

Incidentally, nothing to do with the thread, but legend has it that a huge monster used to stalk the moors above nearby Ilkley and it was called ROMBOLD GIANT.  Any connection &#039;Rumbold&#039;? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My council (Bradford) usually comes in for a bit of a kicking, but in the nearly three years I&#8217;ve lived here I&#8217;ve never had any problems with my rubbish collection.  In fact the standard of collection has been excellent.  However, reading Rumbold&#8217;s post makes me wonder how long that will last&#8230;.</p>
<p>Incidentally, nothing to do with the thread, but legend has it that a huge monster used to stalk the moors above nearby Ilkley and it was called ROMBOLD GIANT.  Any connection &#8216;Rumbold&#8217;? <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bishop Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bishop Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rumbold is right about the trouble coming, but there is an elephant in the room.

The councils have to do this kind of thing because the landfills are being closed down. And they&#039;re being closed down because the EU says so. 

Someone did an interesting post some months back in which the volume of material removed from quarries was compared to the volume of landfill required. The suggestion was that there is no shortage of landfill space. 

So we have an EU dictat, causing great difficulties in the UK, for no sensible reason.

(It&#039;s also worth noting that a modern landfill is rather a good way of recycling, since the vast majority of the gases given off can now be collected and used as fuel).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rumbold is right about the trouble coming, but there is an elephant in the room.</p>
<p>The councils have to do this kind of thing because the landfills are being closed down. And they&#8217;re being closed down because the EU says so. </p>
<p>Someone did an interesting post some months back in which the volume of material removed from quarries was compared to the volume of landfill required. The suggestion was that there is no shortage of landfill space. </p>
<p>So we have an EU dictat, causing great difficulties in the UK, for no sensible reason.</p>
<p>(It&#8217;s also worth noting that a modern landfill is rather a good way of recycling, since the vast majority of the gases given off can now be collected and used as fuel).</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We have had riots (1381), civilised handovers of power (1688/9), and a civil war or two (1640s)&quot;
Up to a point, Lord Copper. 

&quot;We have had riots (1981, 1990)...and a civil war or two (1640s, 1688/9, 1715, 1745, 1918/21, 1968/98)&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have had riots (1381), civilised handovers of power (1688/9), and a civil war or two (1640s)&#8221;<br />
Up to a point, Lord Copper. </p>
<p>&#8220;We have had riots (1981, 1990)&#8230;and a civil war or two (1640s, 1688/9, 1715, 1745, 1918/21, 1968/98)&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Riz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2341#comment-129899</link>
		<dc:creator>Riz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, what the hell, I&#039;m going to go back to throwing my sewage out of my window...actually, unless I throw it really hard it will just land on my patio....must rethink my stand. Any ideas for a revolt that doesn&#039;t make us revolting in the process?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, what the hell, I&#8217;m going to go back to throwing my sewage out of my window&#8230;actually, unless I throw it really hard it will just land on my patio&#8230;.must rethink my stand. Any ideas for a revolt that doesn&#8217;t make us revolting in the process?</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three cheers Rumbold, sometimes you surpass yourself....</description>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t hear how loudly I am cheering in agreement with this post, Rumbers.</description>
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