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	<title>Comments on: Schools and the forgotten children</title>
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		<title>By: MaidMarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaidMarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is perhaps nothing to be proud of, but fundamentally, ashik is correct in principle, if not hyperbole.

The stark reality is that these people, whatever the ins and outs of individual cases, are in breach of the law and are at very high risk of going on the run.  That they have children does not per se change that.

It may well be that asylum caseworking is too tight, and it may be that it is tight for the wrong reasons (ie the media demands it).  However deportation is the end-point of a statutory process.

I am also a believer that if there were not so many people &#039;vanishing&#039; then it would be easier for legitimate cases for immigration, be it as a asylum seeker, visitor or whatever, to be heard smpathetically.  My wife, (British citizen) has just had her parent&#039;s visit visa application rejected for a third time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is perhaps nothing to be proud of, but fundamentally, ashik is correct in principle, if not hyperbole.</p>
<p>The stark reality is that these people, whatever the ins and outs of individual cases, are in breach of the law and are at very high risk of going on the run.  That they have children does not per se change that.</p>
<p>It may well be that asylum caseworking is too tight, and it may be that it is tight for the wrong reasons (ie the media demands it).  However deportation is the end-point of a statutory process.</p>
<p>I am also a believer that if there were not so many people &#8216;vanishing&#8217; then it would be easier for legitimate cases for immigration, be it as a asylum seeker, visitor or whatever, to be heard smpathetically.  My wife, (British citizen) has just had her parent&#8217;s visit visa application rejected for a third time.</p>
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		<title>By: ashik</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parents can shield their children from the unpleasant environment of Immigration detention centres (I have visited my fair share) simply by complying with UK laws and RETURNING VOLUNTARILY to their countries of origin. The UK govt even finances those returning to some countries eg. up to £4,000 to those returnees to Afghanistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parents can shield their children from the unpleasant environment of Immigration detention centres (I have visited my fair share) simply by complying with UK laws and RETURNING VOLUNTARILY to their countries of origin. The UK govt even finances those returning to some countries eg. up to £4,000 to those returnees to Afghanistan.</p>
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		<title>By: ashik</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Responses to this article will depend on ones viewpoint on Immigration. 

In my opinion Immigration detention is necessary at the very least for failed asylum seekers and their families and those who are appeals rights exhausted (gone through the system). In Australia I hear asylum seekers used to be incarcerated until their claims were determined and even now they are only allowed to reside on an island ie. away from Australian mainland. 

As for guards using force and beating people, allegations need to be proven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responses to this article will depend on ones viewpoint on Immigration. </p>
<p>In my opinion Immigration detention is necessary at the very least for failed asylum seekers and their families and those who are appeals rights exhausted (gone through the system). In Australia I hear asylum seekers used to be incarcerated until their claims were determined and even now they are only allowed to reside on an island ie. away from Australian mainland. </p>
<p>As for guards using force and beating people, allegations need to be proven.</p>
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		<title>By: Amrit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t link EVERYTHING...

However, the fourth series deals with a similar situation - kids who are from the wrong side of town and who nobody really gives a crap about. The repercussions of this are painted in heartbreaking detail.

OK... I will now STOP with the proselytising!

(I think you may have scored a slight own-goal with this post, because I don&#039;t think this is something anyone&#039;s going to disagree with you on...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t link EVERYTHING&#8230;</p>
<p>However, the fourth series deals with a similar situation &#8211; kids who are from the wrong side of town and who nobody really gives a crap about. The repercussions of this are painted in heartbreaking detail.</p>
<p>OK&#8230; I will now STOP with the proselytising!</p>
<p>(I think you may have scored a slight own-goal with this post, because I don&#8217;t think this is something anyone&#8217;s going to disagree with you on&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Amrit. How is it that you are able to link everything into the Wire? Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Amrit. How is it that you are able to link everything into the Wire? Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Amrit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A necessary piece of perspective, considering the furore over the faith schools article...

A very good article by Johann Hari too, glad you linked to it. It makes me think of season 4 of &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Wire&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;, which deals with more or less the same issue in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A necessary piece of perspective, considering the furore over the faith schools article&#8230;</p>
<p>A very good article by Johann Hari too, glad you linked to it. It makes me think of season 4 of <i><b>The Wire</b></i>, which deals with more or less the same issue in America.</p>
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