I am sure. Add to that the massive propaganda campaign to justify the war on Iraq. So all in all no one wins.

It is not much of a justification for you to call the Ramadhan Foundation.

‘What you are basically saying is that you should bring something that no one has heard about into the light, resulting in thousands of people now playing it, and that is a necessary measure to prevent it from becoming acceptable?’

If we had not learnt a lot more about what went on with the KKK in Deep South; what went on in apartheid SA; and what goes in many other places it is entirely possible there would not have been the mobilisation of public opinion against it.

Yes let them play their games, as no doubt they will, but unless there is resistance to it, it will become part of the mainstream.

Douglas, not sure what you are calling ‘egregious shite’ – what I had to say or what is going on? If its becoming acceptable does it not concern you?

Mary Whitehouse? Perhaps, if only for my concern about the drop in standards and manners. I still object to use of the f-word. There are so many innocuous story-lines wrecked by a solitary use of the word. Where Mary Whitehouse and I differ – she was a rabid Tory, I am not; and I would prefer to have things in the open so we can deal with them, she rather we just didn’t talk about them.

Then they can join others in the ‘marginalised by employers’ queue such as those with female sounding names, those with school/university names w/t old boy’s network sounding connections, any other ‘exotic’ sounding name, those who are above a certain age etc.

Its a long queue – I get tired of where one marginalised group (and the institutions which aim to represent them) want to be seen of as the most discriminated & therefore in front of the queue.

I have seen this game, and the most offensive part is the title, which is unacceptable. The game itself is about a G.I. who goes on to hunt Bin Laden after 9/11, and in the process kills a bunch of jihadists. Radical jihadists have also done a few games were the goal is to kill american soldiers (and ultimately Bush).

This one is hilarious where the jihadist kills Bush: too easy to finish, propaganda, and no exit door.

remember cannon fodder 2? with the arabs. back in the days of comparative innocence…

I am a one man band.

So, I am sick to the back teeth of folk claiming a ‘right’ to this sort of egregious shite:

I think you are pulling a fast one here. I do not suggest it, what I do suggest is that unless this slide is halted its only a matter of time before it becomes acceptable.

It is clearly already acceptable. Within a scarcely significant number of bedroom dwelling trolls.

I doubt that they are even racist, they are just stupid.

You are beginning to sound like Mary Whitehouse. And look where that got her. You can even say ‘fuck’ on TV these days.

You, nor anyone else, is likely to stop this sort of stuff. Getting on your high horse about it is just going to make you look daft.

That is pluralism, so it is.

BTW, I think they are tits.

Sorry about that.

I think you are pulling a fast one here. I do not suggest it, what I do suggest is that unless this slide is halted its only a matter of time before it becomes acceptable.

What you are basically saying is that you should bring something that no one has heard about into the light, resulting in thousands of people now playing it, and that is a necessary measure to prevent it from becoming acceptable?

Are you sure you haven’t come across muslims being attacked, for being muslims?

You’ve not come across the growing figures that tell you people with muslim-sounding names are less likely to be employed?

‘You tackle bigotry by ensuring that it is considered extremist and fringe by the mainstream.’

I am not sure you understand, bringing into the mainstream means bringing it into the light and rallying the mainstream to show it to be extreme, and all shades in between.

‘It is disingenuous to suggest that the mainstream – even right-wing tabloids – are ok with games titled “Muslim massacre”.’

I think you are pulling a fast one here. I do not suggest it, what I do suggest is that unless this slide is halted its only a matter of time before it becomes acceptable.

Lets have it in the mainstream instead of festering in bedrooms.

Speak for yourself. There is no way you can censor or ban these type of games or extremist speech, and the best thing you can do is push it out of the mainstream. I certainly do not want extremist filth having the light of day and in the open.

If you want to think there are no victims then I am afraid you are at risk of being disingenuous.

I guess you have proof that there are victims, uh?

You tackle bigotry from a position of no tolerance.

You tackle bigotry by ensuring that it is considered extremist and fringe by the mainstream. It is disingenuous to suggest that the mainstream – even right-wing tabloids – are ok with games titled “Muslim massacre”.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4393139

The main website isn’t working and the internet has been swamped with dramafags all spouting the same spunk.

If you want to think there are no victims then I am afraid you are at risk of being disingenuous.

I would agree serious attention should ALSO be paid to the tabloids AND the politicos and blogs driving this.

You tackle bigotry from a position of no tolerance.

Nyrone, I can see why you would want the Foundation to ’shut the hell up’, but we have got to a stage where there is no option but to put up resistance at every stage

That’s disingenuous. This is a game that is very *very* obscured. And what the Foundation managed to do is give free publicity, and now because of its actions, thousands of people will be playing it. It has brought the game into the mainstream.

And one has to ask: if you want to play victim, why are you using this extreme, fringe and obscured example? Shouldn’t we focus on the mainstream? You know, like tabloids and the rest of the media?

It needed someone to pick up the mirror and place in front of our disfigured society. The psychological damage is being done right here, at home. Not in a far distant land where you can fly drones and kill wedding parties at will. There we only take uncelebrated lives.

Placing this development in the public domain marks out something much bigger than a racist in a bedroom.

It reminds me of all the violent games and films that have passed before where the baddies always seemed to have dark hair, moustaches and wore those, now fashionable, large chequered scarves.

Imagine if this was about killing all Jews would it be easy to take the piss out of some organisation spotting a publicity opportunity?

It fucks me off that games get such bad press as it is without some idiot bedroom coder creating crap like this…

So, I’ve seen ‘the story’ go from being this tiny retro game (Read: freeware download) that most people obviously see as clearly racist and bigoted (Imagine Jew Massacre or Christian Massacre)made by some racist in his bedroom to becoming a viable debate on freedom of speech and promting a so-called ‘legitimate’ discussion…!

It’s a non-issue people, bedroom coders have forever been making these racist ethnic cleansing games, including Pro-Hamas ones where your ‘mission’ is to kill all Israelis…so, it ain’t nothing new, and it’s not as if this one has some kind of publisher or is available in shops….isn’t it just the same as some racist fool writing a nasty poem in his bedroom and putting up on the web? Should such fuss be made because of it?

I think all this press has given it maximum publicity that it didn’t need, and has now inadvertently pushed people to download it just for fun and curiosity…

However, on the other hand…I think it’s good that all this recorded info of yet more irrational Muslim-bashing is in the mainstream media, so that people are aware it exists, and is getting worse..