Comments on: Video: Undercover Mosque pt 2, last night

By: bananabrain

bananabrain — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:33:16 +0000

and the reason it wouldn’t make good television is that you won’t hear anything nearly as unpleasant as what gets said in mosques. and the “gender apartheid” doesn’t prevent women listening to what is being said, even if the seating is separate. with that said, i think the rabbi of my community (who is old-school arabic-speaking iraqi) would make interesting viewing, being as he is given to sermons which are basically “i used to live there, all arabs are bastards and we are fab”, but on the other hand tend to be very short. the filming would have to cut away to the people sitting in the audience rolling their eyes, though.

b’shalom

bananabrain

By: cjcjc

cjcjc — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:30:09 +0000

A leaflet versus “kill kill kill”…right

By: The Dude

The Dude — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:46:29 +0000

Don

I’ll give you their (Ch4) explanation:

” It wouldn’t make good television.” Ha ha ha!

By: Don

Don — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:16:15 +0000

Channel Four wouldn’t dare take their undercover team into a Synagogue

Why not?

By: The Dude

The Dude — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:09:44 +0000

Extremism exist in all faiths. I’m catholic and proud of it yet last Sunday in church my wife and I found a leaflet calling Barrack Obama a murderer for his stance on adoption. Channel Four should take a camera into our church and get a skin full of fire and brimstone. That’s what they do. Preach love as well as hate. The Islamic faith is just the easy whipping boy of our time and dead easy TV to make. Channel Four wouldn’t dare take their undercover team into a Synagogue and get slapped up-side the head as a consequence. Big deal!

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By: cjcjc

cjcjc — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:14:41 +0000

Unless the police take action – I don’t know if there are sufficient grounds for them to do so – the row will disappear and the preaching continue.

After the first show the mosque authorities said that they would make sure that the “nothing to do with us” bookshop would be monitored more carefully, which clearly has not happened.

Of course the police did ttake action after the last show – they tried to prosecute Channel 4!!

By: Saqib

Saqib — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:11:12 +0000

Nesrine:

‘Apparently we are fools for not appreciating the conspiratorial significance of the programme being aired on the first day of Ramadan. I despair sometimes.’

Well, it is rather ironic, don’t you think Nesrine? Anyway, what’s even more ironic is that many Muslim’s didn’t even watch it for the fast broke at 8, and well, that’s when the programme started.

By: douglas clark

douglas clark — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:36:40 +0000

Amrit ,

Sorry, can’t make it. Bit strapped for cash at the moment. Maybe next time

By: Nesrine

Nesrine — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:58:04 +0000

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/02/islam.saudiarabia?showallcomments=true

Apparently we are fools for not appreciating the conspiratorial significance of the programme being aired on the first day of Ramadan. I despair sometimes.

By: Tu S. Tin

Tu S. Tin — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:45:50 +0000

Don’t you think this is all about power and pride with nothing to do with religion at all. I know what ala says is true so none of this or anything else I try to express here is ever bigotry, but I’m not sure how I feel about all the lines from actual texts being read and then the whole situation being blamed on Saudis’…
I do know some things about religions – though I do not claim to know anything… Islam is quite fascinating, it predicts itself this will happen and gives the answer too…
They do need exposed for what they are, which is not muslim at all..
What can governments do though?

By: Andrew

Andrew — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:09:52 +0000

So what to actually do about it? Arrest them? What they said was objectionable, but was any of it illegal enough for a prosecution to stick? If they are excluded from this mosque, they’ll just frequent another one, or engage in such activities in their own homes!

By: Nyrone

Nyrone — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:31:34 +0000

It’s such a grey, complex world isn’t it?
So many great Muslims doing fantastic things all the time(I see them in my life everyday) and then this tiny, fractional minority of extremists that appoint themselves ‘real’ Muslims and proceed to talk like a gang of hateful, racist, homophobic chavlims because they have ‘the truth’.

I agree that pretending these folk don’t exist is counter-productive, and that extremism like this needs to highlighted for the sake of all people…but I also believe it’s ok to praise and criticize the program at the same time. Praise the job of highlighting it, offering the people a right-of-reply and providing a balanced fair context about the actual reps from the mosque (as opposed to this seemingly mad old woman from another time-zone spreading her brand of ‘education’)

but then also realize that this program was not made by Hardcash Productions (same one?) with the explicit intention of highlighting extremism, but more to make eye-popping viewing for the audience, which means sometimes talking 10 hours of footage and taking 4 seconds out of context to assemble a hate-narrative, using the craft of film to edit and manipulate the authentic strand to become something ‘creative’. Did you hear that music as they approached the ‘dungeon of Saudi books’ or notice several times when ‘angry moments’ at sermons had been sequenced together coherently to project the speakers as raving nutters? lol! gimme a break..Every documentary is manipulated, but you can bet ones like these are re-edited to the point where fact/fiction just totally blur.

However, I’m not excusing the people featured in it. I’ve met people like this plenty of times, ignorant as hell and armed with more idiocy and time than the average person, and who seemingly feel the ‘facts’ as they have them are non-debateable…and they are smugly going to tell you how to live! They don’t need to be thrown out or put in jail, they need to be engaged and debated by some of the very people in those rooms who stayed quiet.

By: Amrit

Amrit — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:04:43 +0000

dc @ 14:

Aaaaaaaaa-men!

Are you coming to the PP meet-up, btw? I’d go on to your blog and ask if you had one… but you don’t… so I have to here!

I can’t get over the irony of women wanting to be preachers, i.e.experiencing a professional advancement of sorts, in order to prevent other women from doing the same.

Ala… I salute you.

By: Sunny

Sunny — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:42:05 +0000

I get the feeling that after this doc, gender relations at the mosque may change. Who knows…

By: douglas clark

douglas clark — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:41:19 +0000

Amrit @ 13,

Folk like that ought to be viewed as child abusers. Which is precisely what they are. I do not know how these idiots are getting money into the country to spread their disgusting ideology, but it must be stopped.

By: Amrit

Amrit — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:33:43 +0000

I watched the old-fashioned way: recorded onto a video-tape from the TV! *gasps*

Can I just ask: how is it that when all the hate-preachers featured in the programme were asked about what they were doing, they just denied it?

Um… you were featured… RECORDED… in the midst of those activities.

I also like the claims that ‘Oh, we never told anyone to hate all non-Muslims.’

Seriously, I’d like to think I’m fairly liberal, but if you want to talk about how people shouldn’t take British citizenship and go licking the boots of a virulently extreme Saudi-supported ideology, you should be fucking DEPORTED, and from then on, denied entry into the country.

Will the government ever act against these people though? It doesn’t want to piss off the Saudis…

Sid @ 9 – great comment!

By: Sid

Sid — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:33:27 +0000

Sikander Hayat (Muzumdar): tell me with a straight face that al-Qaeda are influenced by Aurangzeb.

By: douglas clark

douglas clark — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:17:30 +0000

Wahhabi, obviously.

By: douglas clark

douglas clark — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:14:02 +0000

As a member of the real majority in this country – an alliance of atheists, agnostics and couldn’t give a shits – I found the first quarter hour of this basically unbelievable. After that, I could not watch. This is actually evil.

This has to be stamped out.

It is evil to teach young folk hate and I do not care who is doing it. That woman ought to be made to confront her beliefs in a public forum, not within her comfort zone.

If this is what Whahabi money is doing to us, then we must stop that too.

Disgusting.