Nazis in the army


by Sunny
31st August, 2008 at 12:11 am    

There’s a good article on Lenin’s Tomb about nazis who have signed up to the US army. I don’t know much about US neo-nazi organisations, which makes the article all the more fascinating.

Tom Metzger is one of the Godfathers of the neo-Nazi movement in the U.S. The former Grand Wizard of the KKK and the current leader of the White Aryan Resistance (W.A.R), he has seen the ebbing and flowing of the military attitude to far-right extremists over the past forty years.

“Now they are letting everybody in,” he says. “All the gang-bangers, all the blacks, Mexicans, and white supremacists. I would say that 10% of army and marines –they are not in the Navy and Air force so much – are racist extremists of some variety.”

Erich Gliebe, the chairman of one of the most important neo-Nazi groups in the United States, the National Alliance, agrees. “I’ve heard the military have relaxed the regulations from a couple of members that are in there,” he says. “I think if a person wants to get into the military with just saying that they are in the National Alliance now that they can. In 2008, with the declining number of troops, I don’t think they are as picky as they used to be.”

Hmmm… I wonder what the implication of this would be. One thing strikes me though – we don’t hear much about neo-nazi groups these days, even though they clearly exist and continue to flourish.


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  1. Leon — on 31st August, 2008 at 1:00 am  

    There’s a good article on Lenin’s Tomb

    Heh not read you saying that in some time…:D

  2. douglas clark — on 31st August, 2008 at 1:32 am  

    Sunny,

    I’d agree that that is a risk. But it is less of a risk than allowing the likes of Blackwater to play the state protected privateers of modern times.

    To clarify – and you can expect Rumbold along in a minute to tell you where I have got it wrong – the British Navy took reprobates into it’s service, and through discipline, turned them into a fighting force.

    Whereas mercenaries of that era, privateers if you will, had no command structure, no final responsibility. The Navy had the Admiralty. Who were pretty strict on deviations from what they saw as shit like ‘rules of engagement’.

    Whereas the privateer was only responsible to it’s venture capitalists. Who had influence at court, and were not subject to such strict criteria.

    This is the New Model Army that Bush and Brown are quite content to see as acceptable. The ultra vires game.

  3. douglas clark — on 31st August, 2008 at 1:51 am  

    So, doing a Sonia, what did the US government learn out of Viet Nam? Let’s take a small example. The My Lai massacre:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre

    was finally undeniable. It probably had a lot to do with later anti war sentiment. To the point, it was committed by folk that were clearly US soldiers. There was little room for denial.

    Which is no longer the name of the game, is it? If you act through an agency, you are, by magic, no longer responsible. You may have, as Elizabeth 1 did, established the framework, but the framework sets you free. What if these mercenaries breach human rights?

    “We,” as she may have said, “are not responsible.”

    And so with Bush. Set up a network of privateers and then pretend that what they do – which objective wise is what you wanted them to do – is nothing to do with you.

    Bush and Elizabeth 1 would have understood each other.

    The point stands, whether or not Rumbold can prove conclusively that privateers were a figment of our imagination.

  4. Roger — on 31st August, 2008 at 4:45 am  

    Soldiers form effective units when they bond with their immediate companions, a natural process, so either “all the gang-bangers, all the blacks, Mexicans, and white supremacists” will identify with people in their unit they’d previously hated and weaken their prejudices or the units will lose social cohesion. The latter is one important factor in what lay behind My Lai, for example.
    Which will it be…?

  5. douglas clark — on 31st August, 2008 at 7:55 am  

    Roger @ 4,

    What you say is true. However, generally speaking, Armies are under stricter rules of engagement than Privateers are they not? You’d expect the true psychopath to prefer Blackwater? Whether as an employer or as an employee.

  6. Rumbold — on 31st August, 2008 at 10:57 am  

    Douglas:

    In the 16th century, when an English/British navy really begins to develop, there was a very blurry line between privateers and state ships. Often privateers under Elizabeth I were encouraged to raid Spanish shipping for treasure and status, while the state would often requisition mechant ships and their crews for war. But you are right about later on.

  7. Golam Murtaza — on 31st August, 2008 at 7:19 pm  

    I wonder how these American neo-nazi recruits react if they happen to join particular units with a proud history of kicking nazi ass in the Second World War?

  8. Tu S. Tin — on 1st September, 2008 at 8:19 am  

    it was a very interesting article! one that showed many sides of the subject where only one point of view is being focused on, why is that? I found the comments following interesting as well as the ones here…
    I do have to ask though what is the point of it? Is there someone out there who did not know racism exists? In the united states and every other country in the world! Inside every group of people there are groups of people who hate some other group of people for what ever stupid reason. Never mind the statement from the man who says he became a racist after a early life dominated by racist attacks on himself by Mexican gangs- that would mean maybe inside “minorities” there is also a problem – and I know that argument just goes round and round.
    Is this something to keep an eye on? of course it is! but how do you let 10% of an army take priority then over the 90% fighting against an ideology that is in a sense 100% racist? If I say an increase can be due partly to the spread of all negative aspects of Islamic culture and outright intolerant ignorance (or how ever you want to word it) …. How doesn’t all the “Bush is a Terrorist” attitude + nazi racist america talk increase the problem even more!?
    Please!! someone tell me who the good guys are? Please!

    Douglas Clark
    did you even read the actual link?
    if you did how are making comments like this?

    This is the New Model Army that Bush and Brown are quite content to see as acceptable. The ultra vires game.
    And so with Bush. Set up a network of privateers and then pretend that what they do – which objective wise is what you wanted them to do – is nothing to do with you.
    EVERYTHING is not part of some conspiracy!!
    stop it!
    A lax in policy is not the plans of some evil plot to do what ever it is you mean by all that…
    It is made clear the military is aware of this problem!
    I’m surprised no one has mentioned the enforcement of stop loss … these are desperate efforts to prevent a draft!

  9. Tu S. Tin — on 1st September, 2008 at 8:28 am  

    it was a very interesting article! one that showed many sides of the subject where only one point of view is being focused on now, why is that? I found the comments following interesting as well as the ones here…
    I do have to ask though what is the point of it? Is there someone out there who did not know racism exists? In the united states and every other country in the world! Inside every group of people there are groups of people who hate some other group of people for what ever stupid reason. Never mind the statement from the man who says he became a racist after a early life dominated by racist attacks on himself by Mexican gangs- that would mean maybe inside “minorities” there is also a problem – and I know that argument just goes round and round.
    Is this something to keep an eye on? of course it is! but how do you let 10% of an army take priority then over the 90% fighting against an ideology that is in a sense 100% racist? If I say an increase can be due partly to the spread of all negative aspects of Islamic culture and outright intolerant ignorance (or how ever you want to word it) …. How doesn’t all the “Bush is a Terrorist” attitude + nazi racist america talk feed the fires on the other side even more too!?
    Please!! someone tell me who the good guys are? Please!

    Douglas Clark
    did you even read the actual link?
    if so, how are you making comments like this?

    This is the New Model Army that Bush and Brown are quite content to see as acceptable. The ultra vires game.
    And so with Bush. Set up a network of privateers and then pretend that what they do – which objective wise is what you wanted them to do – is nothing to do with you.
    EVERYTHING is not part of some conspiracy!!
    stop it!
    A lax in policy is not the plans of some evil plot to do what ever it is you mean by all that…
    It is made clear the military is aware of this problem!
    I’m surprised no one has mentioned the enforcement of stop loss … these are desperate efforts to prevent a draft!

  10. Golam Mutaza — on 1st September, 2008 at 9:18 am  

    Errrr…..

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