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		<title>By: Robert Sharp</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/228/comment-page-2#comment-9953</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Sharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The facts and statistics in the report are presented with brash confidence, both in the publication and when it was publicised on the Today programme. However, their truth is apparently not so clear cut. Others, such as Pickled Politics, have begun to fact check these aspects. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The facts and statistics in the report are presented with brash confidence, both in the publication and when it was publicised on the Today programme. However, their truth is apparently not so clear cut. Others, such as Pickled Politics, have begun to fact check these aspects. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike D</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/228/comment-page-2#comment-9154</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny, you wanted  some examples of police harassing people for expressing disapproval of gay adoption on the radio?
Here&#039;s one.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/12/10/ngay10.xml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny, you wanted  some examples of police harassing people for expressing disapproval of gay adoption on the radio?<br />
Here&#8217;s one.<br />
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/12/10/ngay10.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/12/10/ngay10.xml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Bartlett</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/228/comment-page-2#comment-8664</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Medical opinion or Pavlovian reaction?  Why not &lt;a href=&quot;http://bartlettsbizarrebazaar.blogspot.com/2005/02/were-you-german-war-criminal.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;read my post here&lt;/a&gt; and find out? 

Snob cunts?  Pretentious twat?  Well, perhaps, but nevertheless Chris Brooke does actually tear Browne&#039;s thesis to peices.  Do you really think that pointing out that a pamphlet that calls itself a defence of reason is actually seriously shoddy scholarship is irrelevant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medical opinion or Pavlovian reaction?  Why not <a href="http://bartlettsbizarrebazaar.blogspot.com/2005/02/were-you-german-war-criminal.html" rel="nofollow">read my post here</a> and find out? </p>
<p>Snob cunts?  Pretentious twat?  Well, perhaps, but nevertheless Chris Brooke does actually tear Browne&#8217;s thesis to peices.  Do you really think that pointing out that a pamphlet that calls itself a defence of reason is actually seriously shoddy scholarship is irrelevant?</p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Pickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He does seem like a pretentious twat.</description>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/228/comment-page-2#comment-8655</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that your medical opinion Andrew or a Pavlovian reaction?
It&#039;s time to leave this thread and attend to my kids: the Oxbridge trolls are in town. Intellectual masturbation alert. 
&quot;Wow, yeah, really davastating critique by The Virtual Stoa man.&quot; Snob cunts.
Oh so clever yet oh so irrelevent. What a fucking idiot. 
Bye</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that your medical opinion Andrew or a Pavlovian reaction?<br />
It&#8217;s time to leave this thread and attend to my kids: the Oxbridge trolls are in town. Intellectual masturbation alert.<br />
&#8220;Wow, yeah, really davastating critique by The Virtual Stoa man.&#8221; Snob cunts.<br />
Oh so clever yet oh so irrelevent. What a fucking idiot.<br />
Bye</p>
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		<title>By: Siddharth</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/228/comment-page-2#comment-8650</link>
		<dc:creator>Siddharth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, thanks for the Virtual Stoa heads up. Looks like the Chris Brooke&#039;s blog isn&#039;t a weblog in the &quot;weblog application&quot; sense, as there&#039;s no way to link to posts:

But it can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://users.ox.ac.uk/~magd1368/weblog/blogger.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and the Browne dismantling starts from the section titled &quot;Political Correctness Gone Mad&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, thanks for the Virtual Stoa heads up. Looks like the Chris Brooke&#8217;s blog isn&#8217;t a weblog in the &#8220;weblog application&#8221; sense, as there&#8217;s no way to link to posts:</p>
<p>But it can be found <a href="http://users.ox.ac.uk/~magd1368/weblog/blogger.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and the Browne dismantling starts from the section titled &#8220;Political Correctness Gone Mad&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Bartlett</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/228/comment-page-2#comment-8648</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why has tuberculosis returned to east London with avengeance?&quot;

Poor housing, diet and healthcare.  If you are interested, &lt;a href=&quot;http://bartlettsbizarrebazaar.blogspot.com/2005/02/were-you-german-war-criminal.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;see here&lt;/a&gt; to read just how the Conservatives put forward an argument that was either an appeal to racism, or the product of incredible ignorance at the last election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why has tuberculosis returned to east London with avengeance?&#8221;</p>
<p>Poor housing, diet and healthcare.  If you are interested, <a href="http://bartlettsbizarrebazaar.blogspot.com/2005/02/were-you-german-war-criminal.html" rel="nofollow">see here</a> to read just how the Conservatives put forward an argument that was either an appeal to racism, or the product of incredible ignorance at the last election.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Bartlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that &lt;a&gt;The Virtual Stoa&lt;/a&gt; has a dismantling of Browne&#039;s thesis that is both better and more comprehensive than mine,</description>
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		<title>By: Siddhartha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siddhartha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t support PC unconditionally. But here is a very good dismantling of Browne&#039;s thesis by &lt;a href=&quot;http://bartlettsbizarrebazaar.blogspot.com/2006/01/destruction-of-western-civilisation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andrew Bartlett&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t support PC unconditionally. But here is a very good dismantling of Browne&#8217;s thesis by <a href="http://bartlettsbizarrebazaar.blogspot.com/2006/01/destruction-of-western-civilisation.html" rel="nofollow">Andrew Bartlett</a></p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/228/comment-page-2#comment-8632</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that link Bevan. 
I&#039;ve only read the first few pages (sorry, so many things to do, and so little time) but I am compelled to repeat my observation in post #1 that the truth lies somewhere between Sunny and Browne.
Some of what Browne says in his introduction is eminently reasonable. &lt;b&gt;But people have there own political agendas and abuse the PC debate for their own ends. Browne is clearly one of these people.&lt;/b&gt; 
The main problem with PCness is that it can sometimes stifle debate because each issue isn&#039;t judged on its own merits but according to some preconceived notion of what&#039;s legitimate debate and what isn&#039;t. 
For example, the connection between a rise in UK HIV cases and recent African immigration, rather than an upsurge in local unsafe sex, was a legitimate point worth making. (Memo to Reformist Moslem, what&#039;s the fact that there are more than 1 million blacks in the UK and that some new HIV cases were the product of African tourism got to do with it?) 
Why has tuberculosis returned to east London with avengeance?
Sunny, I also think Browne has every right to question whether sexism is the &lt;i&gt;main&lt;/i&gt; explanation these days for the male-female pay gap. The onus is on those who claim that it is to prove it so, not the other way round. (Still, I would not deny that it is a contributory, even  &lt;i&gt;significant&lt;/i&gt; factor).
However, my racist and classist bullshit detector began flashing big time when I also read in Browne&#039;s pamphlet that:
&lt;i&gt;In Britain, it (PCness) allowed the creation of alien-ated Muslim ghettoes which produce young men who commit mass murder against their fellow citizens.&lt;/i&gt;
and also that
&lt;i&gt;By challenging the authority of teachers, it (PCness)fuels poor discipline in schools, and by promoting equality over excellence, it degrades the standard of education and inflates exam grades until they become almost meaningless.&lt;/i&gt;
The problem we have on the left is that we cannot bear to discuss certain issues with people of a certain political persuasion or upbringing because we know or suspect they have ulterior motives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link Bevan.<br />
I&#8217;ve only read the first few pages (sorry, so many things to do, and so little time) but I am compelled to repeat my observation in post #1 that the truth lies somewhere between Sunny and Browne.<br />
Some of what Browne says in his introduction is eminently reasonable. <b>But people have there own political agendas and abuse the PC debate for their own ends. Browne is clearly one of these people.</b><br />
The main problem with PCness is that it can sometimes stifle debate because each issue isn&#8217;t judged on its own merits but according to some preconceived notion of what&#8217;s legitimate debate and what isn&#8217;t.<br />
For example, the connection between a rise in UK HIV cases and recent African immigration, rather than an upsurge in local unsafe sex, was a legitimate point worth making. (Memo to Reformist Moslem, what&#8217;s the fact that there are more than 1 million blacks in the UK and that some new HIV cases were the product of African tourism got to do with it?)<br />
Why has tuberculosis returned to east London with avengeance?<br />
Sunny, I also think Browne has every right to question whether sexism is the <i>main</i> explanation these days for the male-female pay gap. The onus is on those who claim that it is to prove it so, not the other way round. (Still, I would not deny that it is a contributory, even  <i>significant</i> factor).<br />
However, my racist and classist bullshit detector began flashing big time when I also read in Browne&#8217;s pamphlet that:<br />
<i>In Britain, it (PCness) allowed the creation of alien-ated Muslim ghettoes which produce young men who commit mass murder against their fellow citizens.</i><br />
and also that<br />
<i>By challenging the authority of teachers, it (PCness)fuels poor discipline in schools, and by promoting equality over excellence, it degrades the standard of education and inflates exam grades until they become almost meaningless.</i><br />
The problem we have on the left is that we cannot bear to discuss certain issues with people of a certain political persuasion or upbringing because we know or suspect they have ulterior motives.</p>
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		<title>By: BevanKieran</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/228/comment-page-2#comment-8627</link>
		<dc:creator>BevanKieran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Browne doesn&#039;t explicitly refer to the suggestion that Africans have a lower I.Q but the book in which the claim is made. 

p35:PC has silenced many awkard debates, as well as those that oppose them. As the row over Charles Murray&#039;s book the Bell Curve showed, the study of racial differences has become taboo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Browne doesn&#8217;t explicitly refer to the suggestion that Africans have a lower I.Q but the book in which the claim is made. </p>
<p>p35:PC has silenced many awkard debates, as well as those that oppose them. As the row over Charles Murray&#8217;s book the Bell Curve showed, the study of racial differences has become taboo.</p>
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		<title>By: BevanKieran</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/228/comment-page-2#comment-8626</link>
		<dc:creator>BevanKieran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pamphlet can be downloaded from this address 

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/cs47.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pamphlet can be downloaded from this address </p>
<p><a href="http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/cs47.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/cs47.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enlightener:

&lt;i&gt;So the police haven’t been harassing people for expressing disapproval of gay adoption on the radio?&lt;/i&gt;
Where have they exactly? Gimme some examples.

&lt;i&gt;Er nothing you have written contradicts Browne’s point does it.&lt;/i&gt;
RM&#039;s point is that the impact of african immigrants bringing HIV to the UK is vastly exaggerated. It&#039;s called exaggerating, if not exactly lying.

&lt;i&gt;Browne questions whether it is the main or even a significant part of the male female pay gap.&lt;/i&gt;
And does he have any stats to prove this?


&lt;i&gt;He says that a quashed EU report found the rise was “main cause of rising anti semitism in Europe is Muslim youths not skinheads or neo fascists”.&lt;/i&gt;
The Civitas websites doesn&#039;t say anything about increased anti-semitism, it says anti-semitism period. I&#039;d like to know the percentage increase that can be attibuted to Muslims, and what percentage that is of the total.


&lt;i&gt;The idea that food dumping is a more significant cause of African poverty than bad goverance is risible.&lt;/i&gt;
Risible?? Gimme a break. Browne&#039;s economic analysis is piss poor. I could list a whole bunch of examples where &quot;bad governance&quot; in African countries was influenced by western companies or the bloody IMF/World Bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enlightener:</p>
<p><i>So the police haven’t been harassing people for expressing disapproval of gay adoption on the radio?</i><br />
Where have they exactly? Gimme some examples.</p>
<p><i>Er nothing you have written contradicts Browne’s point does it.</i><br />
RM&#8217;s point is that the impact of african immigrants bringing HIV to the UK is vastly exaggerated. It&#8217;s called exaggerating, if not exactly lying.</p>
<p><i>Browne questions whether it is the main or even a significant part of the male female pay gap.</i><br />
And does he have any stats to prove this?</p>
<p><i>He says that a quashed EU report found the rise was “main cause of rising anti semitism in Europe is Muslim youths not skinheads or neo fascists”.</i><br />
The Civitas websites doesn&#8217;t say anything about increased anti-semitism, it says anti-semitism period. I&#8217;d like to know the percentage increase that can be attibuted to Muslims, and what percentage that is of the total.</p>
<p><i>The idea that food dumping is a more significant cause of African poverty than bad goverance is risible.</i><br />
Risible?? Gimme a break. Browne&#8217;s economic analysis is piss poor. I could list a whole bunch of examples where &#8220;bad governance&#8221; in African countries was influenced by western companies or the bloody IMF/World Bank.</p>
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		<title>By: Bikhair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bikhair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2006 04:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enlightener,

&quot;The idea that food dumping is a more significant cause of African poverty than bad goverance is risible.&quot;

This Wahhabi agrees! I am against protectionism though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enlightener,</p>
<p>&#8220;The idea that food dumping is a more significant cause of African poverty than bad goverance is risible.&#8221;</p>
<p>This Wahhabi agrees! I am against protectionism though.</p>
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		<title>By: Soultrain</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/228/comment-page-2#comment-8424</link>
		<dc:creator>Soultrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read people’s views and various write-ups about about the article that was put out by Civitas, I can’t take it seriously. The examples he gives, he distorts many points which I’m glad have been shown up here. The worse thing is that he plays the cunning game of mixing the distortions with the truth – there are genuine things to be concerned about in terms of PC holding back progression and addressing real issues, but he is playing a dangerous game by taking things out of context for his own agenda. Under the guise of a think tank, to add sso called added intellectualism to his views. And of course, in this era where communities and groups of all sorts seem to identify more on how they are offended and under threat – he will easily play on people’s fears.

I think there is an element of political correctness in our lives in the UK. But I think its selective, and I also think it has existed for several years through various guises. I think its selective, which is demonstrated in the number of times people will gladly be openly chauvinistic, or engage in sensationalist rants about issues which always get acts like a bandwagon of blame. I think political correctness has existed for several decades in the sense that when it comes to conducting yourself with people in public, whatever creed or race – people are just amicable and get on with it, but behind the scenes, there are prejudices kept or anger about issues. So in this sense, political correctness is then about maintaining good manners when dealing with people you don’t particularly like, for the sake of everyone. After all, the British can be a reserved country. More reserved than othes is more accurate.

Whats really unfair is how Browne and so many outspoken critics of PC-ness fail to recognise the part extreme right wing or racist groups have played in creating a culture of fear in addressing issues affecting ethnic groups, for fear of offence. Their continuous repetition of racist hysteria, has in part meant that in order to tackle inequal treatment of ethnic groups, its more difficult to tackle issues that affect ethnic groups honestly. Instead Browne incorrectly, yet gladly would allow the impression that its all about ethnic groups that are the main source of problems in the UK today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read people’s views and various write-ups about about the article that was put out by Civitas, I can’t take it seriously. The examples he gives, he distorts many points which I’m glad have been shown up here. The worse thing is that he plays the cunning game of mixing the distortions with the truth – there are genuine things to be concerned about in terms of PC holding back progression and addressing real issues, but he is playing a dangerous game by taking things out of context for his own agenda. Under the guise of a think tank, to add sso called added intellectualism to his views. And of course, in this era where communities and groups of all sorts seem to identify more on how they are offended and under threat – he will easily play on people’s fears.</p>
<p>I think there is an element of political correctness in our lives in the UK. But I think its selective, and I also think it has existed for several years through various guises. I think its selective, which is demonstrated in the number of times people will gladly be openly chauvinistic, or engage in sensationalist rants about issues which always get acts like a bandwagon of blame. I think political correctness has existed for several decades in the sense that when it comes to conducting yourself with people in public, whatever creed or race – people are just amicable and get on with it, but behind the scenes, there are prejudices kept or anger about issues. So in this sense, political correctness is then about maintaining good manners when dealing with people you don’t particularly like, for the sake of everyone. After all, the British can be a reserved country. More reserved than othes is more accurate.</p>
<p>Whats really unfair is how Browne and so many outspoken critics of PC-ness fail to recognise the part extreme right wing or racist groups have played in creating a culture of fear in addressing issues affecting ethnic groups, for fear of offence. Their continuous repetition of racist hysteria, has in part meant that in order to tackle inequal treatment of ethnic groups, its more difficult to tackle issues that affect ethnic groups honestly. Instead Browne incorrectly, yet gladly would allow the impression that its all about ethnic groups that are the main source of problems in the UK today.</p>
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		<title>By: Enlightener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enlightener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Civitas say that political correctness is curtailing free-speech in their opening statement here, which is funny because I have neither seen the raving lunatics from the BNP banged up (except for chucking dogshit through letter boxes and threatening people), nor does Melanie Phillips ever shut up.&quot;  

So the police haven&#039;t been harassing people for expressing disapproval of gay adoption on the radio?

&quot;The number of new HIV cases acquired in Africa was around 3000. The black population in the UK is over 1 million&quot;

Er nothing you have written contradicts Browne&#039;s point does it.

&quot;Sexism doesn’t exist! Sheesh! I think of all the stupid claims made, this one is the funniest.&quot;

Possibly, but it was made by you not Browne. Browne questions whether it is the main or even a significant  part of the male female pay gap.

&quot;Rise in anti-semitic attacks is apparently factually due to Muslim youths only, and only the PC brigade harp on about white skinheads&quot;

Again Browne does not say that, you are lying . He says that a quashed  EU report found the rise was &quot;main cause of rising anti semitism in Europe is Muslim youths not skinheads or neo fascists&quot;.

&quot;Actually, both are rubbish. Africa is poor because the USA and Europe keep dumping their food and textiles on the continent in the form of “aid” &quot;

The idea that food dumping is a more significant cause of African poverty than bad goverance is risible. 

&quot; Anthony Brown is an A class dunce&quot;

Well he seems to be capable of writing pamphlets which you are unable to even read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Civitas say that political correctness is curtailing free-speech in their opening statement here, which is funny because I have neither seen the raving lunatics from the BNP banged up (except for chucking dogshit through letter boxes and threatening people), nor does Melanie Phillips ever shut up.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So the police haven&#8217;t been harassing people for expressing disapproval of gay adoption on the radio?</p>
<p>&#8220;The number of new HIV cases acquired in Africa was around 3000. The black population in the UK is over 1 million&#8221;</p>
<p>Er nothing you have written contradicts Browne&#8217;s point does it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sexism doesn’t exist! Sheesh! I think of all the stupid claims made, this one is the funniest.&#8221;</p>
<p>Possibly, but it was made by you not Browne. Browne questions whether it is the main or even a significant  part of the male female pay gap.</p>
<p>&#8220;Rise in anti-semitic attacks is apparently factually due to Muslim youths only, and only the PC brigade harp on about white skinheads&#8221;</p>
<p>Again Browne does not say that, you are lying . He says that a quashed  EU report found the rise was &#8220;main cause of rising anti semitism in Europe is Muslim youths not skinheads or neo fascists&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Actually, both are rubbish. Africa is poor because the USA and Europe keep dumping their food and textiles on the continent in the form of “aid” &#8221;</p>
<p>The idea that food dumping is a more significant cause of African poverty than bad goverance is risible. </p>
<p>&#8221; Anthony Brown is an A class dunce&#8221;</p>
<p>Well he seems to be capable of writing pamphlets which you are unable to even read!</p>
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		<title>By: jamal</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/228/comment-page-2#comment-8419</link>
		<dc:creator>jamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get it, im just not in agreement with their cause which may be similar in nature but not the same..  The bnp have a cause too, and I dont agree with it either!  This is my right, to disagree with what i dislike, as you disagree with me.  This is what the &quot;out of control&quot; political correctness ignores, resulting in a mass of people pretending to like each other and fearing to say the wrong thing.  This is not what being politically correct is about.  It is about not offending others and unsing acceptable dialogue and behaviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get it, im just not in agreement with their cause which may be similar in nature but not the same..  The bnp have a cause too, and I dont agree with it either!  This is my right, to disagree with what i dislike, as you disagree with me.  This is what the &#8220;out of control&#8221; political correctness ignores, resulting in a mass of people pretending to like each other and fearing to say the wrong thing.  This is not what being politically correct is about.  It is about not offending others and unsing acceptable dialogue and behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickler</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/228/comment-page-2#comment-8418</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Pickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Tolerance&quot;  is not the same thing as &quot;approval&quot;. In fact the two are almost contradictory. By definition you can only be tolerant of  things you don&#039;t approve of. Tolerance, also, does not preclude voicing your disapproval. 

In my view the only line that cannot be crossed is violence or threats of violence, and/or direct discrimination in the workplace. 

Not that any of this matters compared with the really important issue of George Gallowank being on Celebrity Big Bro. Let&#039;s hope he comes a cropper. Where is Nasty Nick?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tolerance&#8221;  is not the same thing as &#8220;approval&#8221;. In fact the two are almost contradictory. By definition you can only be tolerant of  things you don&#8217;t approve of. Tolerance, also, does not preclude voicing your disapproval. </p>
<p>In my view the only line that cannot be crossed is violence or threats of violence, and/or direct discrimination in the workplace. </p>
<p>Not that any of this matters compared with the really important issue of George Gallowank being on Celebrity Big Bro. Let&#8217;s hope he comes a cropper. Where is Nasty Nick?</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/228/comment-page-2#comment-8405</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not campaigning for just Muslims to be more tolerant, I know for a fact that homophobia exists everywhere (apart from maybe in Los Angeles). I gave examples from my family and from the American right. 

I&#039;m not asking you to embrace homosexuals (though that would be nice.... its good to embrace anyone), but saying you must recognise that their struggle is the same as ours. And as a person truly against opression and injustice, I will support any person&#039;s right to their own way of life (providing they don&#039;t harm anyone) even if their way of life differs from my own values. That is the difference you are not getting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not campaigning for just Muslims to be more tolerant, I know for a fact that homophobia exists everywhere (apart from maybe in Los Angeles). I gave examples from my family and from the American right. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not asking you to embrace homosexuals (though that would be nice&#8230;. its good to embrace anyone), but saying you must recognise that their struggle is the same as ours. And as a person truly against opression and injustice, I will support any person&#8217;s right to their own way of life (providing they don&#8217;t harm anyone) even if their way of life differs from my own values. That is the difference you are not getting.</p>
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		<title>By: jamal</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/228/comment-page-2#comment-8395</link>
		<dc:creator>jamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 20:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny.. you are wrong there.

If people critisise Islam that is their choice.  I do request their understanding and that they silence their tongues if they do not, but only if they are being offensive.  It is not offensive for them to say they do not like muslims and do not agree with Islam.  This is their choice of opinion.  The same that I have regarding issues including homosexuality.

In this politically correct charges world, it is frowned upon to do this, and this is actually incorrect effect of political correct.  You obviously agree with this or would not have penned the article, and therefore should not be campaigning for &lt;i&gt;&quot;muslims to be more tolerant towards gays&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny.. you are wrong there.</p>
<p>If people critisise Islam that is their choice.  I do request their understanding and that they silence their tongues if they do not, but only if they are being offensive.  It is not offensive for them to say they do not like muslims and do not agree with Islam.  This is their choice of opinion.  The same that I have regarding issues including homosexuality.</p>
<p>In this politically correct charges world, it is frowned upon to do this, and this is actually incorrect effect of political correct.  You obviously agree with this or would not have penned the article, and therefore should not be campaigning for <i>&#8220;muslims to be more tolerant towards gays&#8221;.</i></p>
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