Russia: we are ready for a new cold war


by Leon
27th August, 2008 at 1:57 pm    

As if the world wasn’t dangerous enough Russia is baring it’s teeth in the face of growing opposition over it’s recent military and diplomatic actions:

Russia’s relations with the west plunged to their most critical point in a generation yesterday when the Kremlin built on its military rout of Georgia by recognising the breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent states.

Declaring that if his decision meant a new cold war, then so be it, President Dmitri Medvedev signed a decree conferring Russian recognition on Georgia’s two secessionist regions. The move flouted UN security council resolutions and dismissed western insistence during the crisis of the past three weeks on respecting Georgia’s territorial integrity and international borders.

Last night, Medvedev accused Washington of shipping arms to Georgia under the guise of humanitarian aid.

The new war is the old war as the world’s power tilts east…


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  1. platinum786 — on 27th August, 2008 at 2:23 pm  

    I’ve always said the cold was was not over, it’d just gotten so cold, we didn’t even know it existed anymore.

    The cold war will not end until the demographics of Russia and America change significantly.

    White people are expected to be a minority in America by 2042 according to the Gaurdian; http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/15/population.race?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

    Russia will be majority Muslim by 30-40 years, a trend which has alarmed non Muslims in Russia and has caused a knee jerk reaction by facist groups supported by Putin (Nashi).

    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/08/predicting-a-majority-muslim-russia.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashi_(Ours)

    Add a decade on top for the ethnic majorities to get into the corridors of power and i predict an end to the cold war by 2050

  2. bananabrain — on 27th August, 2008 at 3:18 pm  

    oh, good, daniel pipes thinks it’s going to be a problem because *muslims* are involved. like it’s not a problem now.

    this is all rather stupid, as if the russians (or chinese) could actually beat the americans in a straight-up fight, let alone in business. ok, so they can be ruthless, big deal. did they win the last cold war? i don’t believe so. an external “enemy” is just what would be likely to give focus and drive to the americans and many of the europeans. what is worse, however, is that we will get re-runs of the “client state” logic from the cold war which brought us such net contributors to stability as cuba, vietnam, north korea, iraq, syria (and i might even include israel, poland, ukraine and of course the republics of central asia) all of whom will exploit the situation as an excuse to play both ends against the middle what a depressingly stupid development and how completely what we *don’t* need.

    b’shalom

    bananabrain

  3. MaidMarian — on 27th August, 2008 at 3:42 pm  

    Easy solution, just read the modern day genius that is Philip Bobbitt on the subject.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/892801/russias-aggression-in-georgia-is-a-portent-of-perils-to-come.thtml

    Can’t see it happening though.

  4. douglas clark — on 27th August, 2008 at 4:48 pm  

    MaidMarian,

    Thanks for putting that link up. It’s a shame that no-one listened to him over the last couple of decades, preferring the mad and bad Chicago group.

    I am particularily taken with his idea, I am paraphrasing, that the West treated Russia as an enemy, even when it wasn’t.

    By the way, couldn’t the South Ossetians and the Abkhazians’ have been given referenda to determine whether they wanted to stay with Georgia, go independent or remerge with Russia?

    Not that the Russians are the complete innocents either, right enough.

  5. Random Guy — on 27th August, 2008 at 4:51 pm  

    “flouted UN Security Council Resolutions”????

    “dismissed Western insistence”????

    Hmmm, sounds awfully familiar doesn’t it? How ironic that Russia has taken its cue from the West on how to behave…

  6. Roger — on 27th August, 2008 at 10:14 pm  

    “Russia is bearing it’s teeth…”
    You mean: Russia is baring its teeth…

  7. MaidMarian — on 28th August, 2008 at 8:25 am  

    douglas clark (4) – Yes, Bobbitt for world President.

    If we just did everything that that man says without question, the world would be a far better place.

    There is a lot about Georgia/Russia that leaves a very bad taste in the mouth.

  8. The Common Humanist — on 28th August, 2008 at 9:08 am  

    “”White people are expected to be a minority in America by 2042 according to the Gaurdian; http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/15/population.race?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

    Russia will be majority Muslim by 30-40 years, a trend which has alarmed non Muslims in Russia and has caused a knee jerk reaction by facist groups supported by Putin (Nashi).

    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/08/predicting-a-majority-muslim-russia.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashi_(Ours)

    Add a decade on top for the ethnic majorities to get into the corridors of power and i predict an end to the cold war by 2050″”

    Yes, because only white people are violent.

    If someone like me had said similar about muslims or black people there would – rightly – be an outcry but apparently it is ok for you to be racist?

    You are a tool.

  9. douglas clark — on 28th August, 2008 at 9:30 am  

    platinum786,

    You extrapolate beyond reason. What we – obviously – need is a great big melting pot, right enough….

    What if that idea took hold in the next 50 years? There are pretty good indications that it is already happening.

    Where does that leave your mechanistic prescription? There are millions of other trends too. Away from God, towards other ideas of God. Do not assume that the past is any route map whatsoever into the future.

  10. platinum786 — on 28th August, 2008 at 4:36 pm  

    The Common Humanist, I don’t like to say it too often, but most major conflicts can find their roots at white people, be it political stirring or direct military involvement…lol J/K.

    N seriously though, if the USA and Russia are mixed in terms of ethnicity, the new ethnic groups will have less issues against the other country as compared to the white person in charge who has history attached.

    Take Russia, not making Muslims will want to return to the oppression of cold war Russia or communism, something you’ll find more prevalent in the European Russians.

    Who’s more likely to be a hawk, A middle aged white republican or a 2nd generation Hispanic female. It’s basic demographics.

  11. Sunny — on 28th August, 2008 at 4:54 pm  

    TCH – I’d take Daniel Pipes with a bigger bucket of salt than I’d take the Daily Mail.

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