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  • Life in UK sours for Poles

    by Rumbold
    24th August, 2008 at 6:47 pm    

    There is a rather grim story today about how Poles in the UK are suffering from high levels of depression and suicide:

    “Rising costs of food and fuel, the credit crunch and increasing unemployment have all taken their toll on the 800,000-strong Polish community, many of whom are in low-wage jobs.

    Polish organisations are reporting rising levels of suicide, depression, abortion and poverty. Unreleased figures from the Polish embassy in the UK reveal that as many as one in five of the 250 Poles who died in Britain last year took their own lives.”

    Thankfully, the Polish economy is growing while the currency is strengthening, which makes it more attractive for Poles to return to Poland if they are really struggling here. Other immigrant groups don’t always have that luxury.

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    1. Roger — on 24th August, 2008 at 8:58 pm  

      “the 800,000-strong Polish community,”…”Unreleased figures from the Polish embassy in the UK reveal that as many as one in five of the 250 Poles who died in Britain last year took their own lives.”
      So, the life expectancy of Poles in Britain is a little over 3,000 years?

    2. Amrit — on 24th August, 2008 at 10:57 pm  

      One in five? That’s terrible.

      Although when you look at some of the areas where they’re forced to settle (like my area!), it can’t be much of an improvement (if any) on where they lived back home.

      No wonder people say they scowl a lot in coffee shops and the like. Poor Poles!

    3. douglas clark — on 25th August, 2008 at 12:59 am  

      There always was a Polish community in Glasgow. Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I think they were a hangover from the Second World War when they fought side by side with us. There is a Polish Club, which friends tell me, is a great night out. Sadly I’ve never been.

      Frankly they don’t seem to stand out as, y’know, folk that are difficult to deal with. Neither does our fairly vibrant Asian community.

      Or the few West Africans that seem to live here. Or the Chinese, come to that.

      No better, no worse. Just the same.

    4. UK Voter — on 25th August, 2008 at 6:10 pm  

      That is a huge percentage. The problem is many migrants believe the UK is that land of milk and honey. Yes comparative salaries are quite good when compared with their local wages, but the cost of living is very high. On my travels I often bump into people that believe the UK offers something special, it always seems cruel when I try and put them straight.

    5. Roger — on 25th August, 2008 at 11:51 pm  

      I’d better make plain what I meant in my first post, then. 50 suicides out of 250 deaths is a large percentage. 250 deaths in one year out of a population of 800,000 is such a small percentage that it is nbelievable. If one figure is unbelievable, so is the other.

    6. MaidMarian — on 26th August, 2008 at 9:40 am  

      UK Voter (4) - ‘it always seems cruel when I try and put them straight.’

      Your comment is part right and part wrong. To my mind, this issue at the heart of the immigration debate is about whether individuals are suitable ‘candidates’ for immigration or not.

      To you putting people straight seems cruel; I can only assume that you have not seen the Eastern Europeans (especially women) in action! They have no problem whatsoever in telling people very literally at the point of destitution that they have brought their problems on themselves.

      But bluntly, if someone comes to Britain to attempt to emigrate with no English language skills, no contacts, no plan of action, no idea of their rights/respobsibilities and so on, I have no sympathy and many of the successful ‘candidates’ have no problem in telling it like it is.

      My experience is that very few of the people you are talking about see Britain as a land of milk and honey - anyone who does is asking to be deceived.

      Ultimately, what is needed is conceted action in Poland and elsewhere to dispel any myths. That would be far more efective than any attempts to legislate for stupidity. In saying this, I realise that quiet action like this may well be going on behind the scenes - if so we need more of it!

      You are right that some people see Britain as something special, but it is not cruel to put them straight, far from it. Well planned, thought out immigration benefits many. I however shed no tears for people who have deluded themselves.

      And neither does my East European wife or her East European friends.

    7. Dave S — on 28th August, 2008 at 2:41 am  

      Roger @ 1 & 5:
      I’m not sure those figures are so unbelievable Roger.

      If most of the Poles coming here are of working age (let’s say 20-50 years old for the sake of argument, though from what I’ve seen myself here in Nottingham, I think aged 20-40 is probably more like it) and their families, then out of 800,000 I’d hope that most of them would be too young to be kicking the bucket from disease or old age.

      I guess we’d need to know more about the ages of those who died from causes other than suicide, and compare them against the rest of the UK population.

      If we observed a group of 800,000 Brits between the ages of 20 and 50, I wonder how many would die in a year? I’d have thought it would be slightly higher than 250, but perhaps not that much higher.

      Who knows where we can find out those kind of figures?

      Also, what about the proportion of deaths from accidents?

      I think we need more information about the figures before we can learn anything from them really, or write them off as unbelievable.

    8. Roger — on 28th August, 2008 at 5:45 am  

      Most of the poles coming here are of working age; there are also quite a few elderly and very elderly Poles who arrived after WWII however, who would increase the death rate.

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