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		<title>By: Sunil Mohan</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-10162</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunil Mohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 02:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the Nazis are accused of killing 55 million peoples.(This is a gross exageration)

The British are tops with the blood  of 500 million peoples spread across all continents of the globe on their hands.

The one thing which I share with my German, Irish, Russian, Polish, Jamaican and Egyptian friends is a visceral hatred for the English.

As soon as I hear that snotty English accent I can feel the hatred crawling up from my toes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the Nazis are accused of killing 55 million peoples.(This is a gross exageration)</p>
<p>The British are tops with the blood  of 500 million peoples spread across all continents of the globe on their hands.</p>
<p>The one thing which I share with my German, Irish, Russian, Polish, Jamaican and Egyptian friends is a visceral hatred for the English.</p>
<p>As soon as I hear that snotty English accent I can feel the hatred crawling up from my toes.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunil Mohan</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-10029</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunil Mohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We in India will be planning a memorial for the millions of Innocents who were lost to British Colonialism from the years 1757-1947
It will be in New Delhi and will be comparable to the Holocaust memorial in Berlin.

These include deaths due to famines, land grabs, indentured labour, serfdom, summary executions
and deliberate spread of disease in the far reaches of India by these homicidal imperialists.

It will be a testament to our strength as a people against the ravages of the worst despotism known
in Human history.

The crimes of the British empire should not be allowed to go un-recorded.

I am sure that even if the hand of man could not judge these criminals, the hand of God will judge them and their Island in the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We in India will be planning a memorial for the millions of Innocents who were lost to British Colonialism from the years 1757-1947<br />
It will be in New Delhi and will be comparable to the Holocaust memorial in Berlin.</p>
<p>These include deaths due to famines, land grabs, indentured labour, serfdom, summary executions<br />
and deliberate spread of disease in the far reaches of India by these homicidal imperialists.</p>
<p>It will be a testament to our strength as a people against the ravages of the worst despotism known<br />
in Human history.</p>
<p>The crimes of the British empire should not be allowed to go un-recorded.</p>
<p>I am sure that even if the hand of man could not judge these criminals, the hand of God will judge them and their Island in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunil Mohan</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-9979</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunil Mohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is for Old Pickler  who has a very muddled and idiotic  &quot;British Centric&quot; View of History.

These people are neo colonialists who can do much harm.

Read this completely before even attempting to respond.
http://east_west_dialogue.tripod.com/american_system/id10.html

This clearly indicates that the British killed of far more Indians during the Raj than the Nazis did to &quot;lesser&quot; Europeans during WWII

If the crimes against humanity in History are tabulated
then the 
British come first 
followed by the Chinese Commies (A distant second)
Followed by Russian Commies
Followed by Nazis

Churchill was at the centre of this grand old criminal organization called the British empire while it was systematically murdering, looting and starving millions in the years 1940-1946

That is all I have to say.

Any attempts by Brits to re-write history in favour 
of their stupid empire will be strongly resisted by 1-billion Indians to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is for Old Pickler  who has a very muddled and idiotic  &#8220;British Centric&#8221; View of History.</p>
<p>These people are neo colonialists who can do much harm.</p>
<p>Read this completely before even attempting to respond.<br />
<a href="http://east_west_dialogue.tripod.com/american_system/id10.html" rel="nofollow">http://east_west_dialogue.tripod.com/american_system/id10.html</a></p>
<p>This clearly indicates that the British killed of far more Indians during the Raj than the Nazis did to &#8220;lesser&#8221; Europeans during WWII</p>
<p>If the crimes against humanity in History are tabulated<br />
then the<br />
British come first<br />
followed by the Chinese Commies (A distant second)<br />
Followed by Russian Commies<br />
Followed by Nazis</p>
<p>Churchill was at the centre of this grand old criminal organization called the British empire while it was systematically murdering, looting and starving millions in the years 1940-1946</p>
<p>That is all I have to say.</p>
<p>Any attempts by Brits to re-write history in favour<br />
of their stupid empire will be strongly resisted by 1-billion Indians to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-8965</link>
		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yusuf smith -well yes its problematic that when  wars happen - people  take &#039;sides&#039; -  i guess its called patriotism.

rubbish concept. 

and then of course everything is seen in this one-sided light and people lose any reflexivity they may have had..

unfortunately this silly loyalty means that even if your country is espousing nasty violence - one should &#039;support&#039; it - why? - cause a) its allegedly to protect you and b) well it wouldn&#039;t matter anyway because &#039;we&#039; are in the right. 

pah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yusuf smith -well yes its problematic that when  wars happen &#8211; people  take &#8216;sides&#8217; &#8211;  i guess its called patriotism.</p>
<p>rubbish concept. </p>
<p>and then of course everything is seen in this one-sided light and people lose any reflexivity they may have had..</p>
<p>unfortunately this silly loyalty means that even if your country is espousing nasty violence &#8211; one should &#8216;support&#8217; it &#8211; why? &#8211; cause a) its allegedly to protect you and b) well it wouldn&#8217;t matter anyway because &#8216;we&#8217; are in the right. </p>
<p>pah</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-8963</link>
		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lots of different things give people identity ..obviously we use external crutches to prop our minds up. the trick is to rely less and less on the external..

anyway, obviously churchill was an idiot - why is it obvious - cos he wanted to protect empire and colonialism. I would say that was fascist myself. just because the &#039;enemy&#039; was fascist as well doesn&#039;t mean whoever opposed them didnt have their own brand of fascism. ( think: a war between bush and bin-laden - why if they weren&#039;t fighting they&#039;d be best buddies - possibly they have the same guy writing their speeches) 

obviously empire and colonialism and britishness are tied up together due to sweet simple history. that said, it ain&#039;t like other &#039;empires&#039; around the world didn&#039;t exist and they probably had &#039;patriotic&#039; guys like churchill at the head. (proselytizing faith :yup just like his own :-))

anwyay - 

&quot;Sunny said:
â€œFor Asians (or Muslims specifically), you seem to be saying â€˜look, you canâ€™t make up your mind properly because you live in a patriarchal society so let me make the decision for youâ€™, which is just as condescending as how many Asian men behave.â€

sunny&#039;s very sensible is all i can say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lots of different things give people identity ..obviously we use external crutches to prop our minds up. the trick is to rely less and less on the external..</p>
<p>anyway, obviously churchill was an idiot &#8211; why is it obvious &#8211; cos he wanted to protect empire and colonialism. I would say that was fascist myself. just because the &#8216;enemy&#8217; was fascist as well doesn&#8217;t mean whoever opposed them didnt have their own brand of fascism. ( think: a war between bush and bin-laden &#8211; why if they weren&#8217;t fighting they&#8217;d be best buddies &#8211; possibly they have the same guy writing their speeches) </p>
<p>obviously empire and colonialism and britishness are tied up together due to sweet simple history. that said, it ain&#8217;t like other &#8216;empires&#8217; around the world didn&#8217;t exist and they probably had &#8216;patriotic&#8217; guys like churchill at the head. (proselytizing faith :yup just like his own <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>anwyay &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;Sunny said:<br />
â€œFor Asians (or Muslims specifically), you seem to be saying â€˜look, you canâ€™t make up your mind properly because you live in a patriarchal society so let me make the decision for youâ€™, which is just as condescending as how many Asian men behave.â€</p>
<p>sunny&#8217;s very sensible is all i can say.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-8961</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vikrant, yes I wasn&#039;t expecting you to have trouble with it - they both link to the same blog!

That&#039;s an interesting thing you say there Norah, cos it makes me think of something else. Plastic surgery. Women who have that say EXACTLY the same thing as your friend/acquaintance. That the surgery made them more confident. In a way, religion has reached a stage of cosmetic-shopping now. Which religion is fashionable? I&#039;ll do that one. Hence it&#039;s become a crutch for people who need something to lean on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vikrant, yes I wasn&#8217;t expecting you to have trouble with it &#8211; they both link to the same blog!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an interesting thing you say there Norah, cos it makes me think of something else. Plastic surgery. Women who have that say EXACTLY the same thing as your friend/acquaintance. That the surgery made them more confident. In a way, religion has reached a stage of cosmetic-shopping now. Which religion is fashionable? I&#8217;ll do that one. Hence it&#8217;s become a crutch for people who need something to lean on.</p>
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		<title>By: NorahJones</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-8955</link>
		<dc:creator>NorahJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I add, as someone who did the whole must cover myself up routine and then changed my mind..oops, you really do become invisible.  People don&#039;t look at you.

I think with a lot of women it may even be a confidence thing.  I know a white convert who, before she became muslim, shied away from people and attention.  As a convert. she followed the dress code and she was like a different person.  For some reason it gave her an identity.

Not that I&#039;m defending it or anything..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I add, as someone who did the whole must cover myself up routine and then changed my mind..oops, you really do become invisible.  People don&#8217;t look at you.</p>
<p>I think with a lot of women it may even be a confidence thing.  I know a white convert who, before she became muslim, shied away from people and attention.  As a convert. she followed the dress code and she was like a different person.  For some reason it gave her an identity.</p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;m defending it or anything..</p>
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		<title>By: Vikrant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vikrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rohin guess what? i&#039;ve worked out your SM nick!

Bong breaker... a no brainer really.

Bhicky</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rohin guess what? i&#8217;ve worked out your SM nick!</p>
<p>Bong breaker&#8230; a no brainer really.</p>
<p>Bhicky</p>
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		<title>By: Jai</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-8929</link>
		<dc:creator>Jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As many here on PP know from previous discussions, I don&#039;t agree with the burkha concept either. Yes it does unnecessarily place the onus on women to &quot;hide themselves&quot; rather than what should be happening, which is that men should act like responsible adults and learn to control their reactions to female sexuality, instead of &quot;externalising&quot; the problem and attempting to control the external environment (ie. women) rather than themselves.

And as I&#039;ve stated before, yes I do think that the burkha, niqabs etc are a) an oppressive practices and b) sometimes manifestations of &quot;false modesty&quot;.

However, the point is that, although we may all think that the women concerned are misguided in their mindset, they have to come to this conclusion themselves. In the meantime, they have &quot;the right to be wrong.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As many here on PP know from previous discussions, I don&#8217;t agree with the burkha concept either. Yes it does unnecessarily place the onus on women to &#8220;hide themselves&#8221; rather than what should be happening, which is that men should act like responsible adults and learn to control their reactions to female sexuality, instead of &#8220;externalising&#8221; the problem and attempting to control the external environment (ie. women) rather than themselves.</p>
<p>And as I&#8217;ve stated before, yes I do think that the burkha, niqabs etc are a) an oppressive practices and b) sometimes manifestations of &#8220;false modesty&#8221;.</p>
<p>However, the point is that, although we may all think that the women concerned are misguided in their mindset, they have to come to this conclusion themselves. In the meantime, they have &#8220;the right to be wrong.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Siddharth</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-8889</link>
		<dc:creator>Siddharth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But then you don&#039;t have a congenital variant of Tourrettes either Rohin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But then you don&#8217;t have a congenital variant of Tourrettes either Rohin.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickler</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-8886</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Pickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, then, let&#039;s compromise. This (and other) aspects need reform so it doesn&#039;t stink any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, then, let&#8217;s compromise. This (and other) aspects need reform so it doesn&#8217;t stink any more.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-8885</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the difference OP. I agree entirely with your way of thinking. I&#039;ve often criticised the &#039;codes&#039; for Islamic dress as I think they&#039;re unnecessary if men can control themselves. Dressing women modestly so all thoughts about them are &#039;pure&#039; is the same as saying make food bland so no one gets hungry. Somehow, over the years, Muslim women have adopted this as a symbol of &#039;empowerment&#039;, which baffles me.

However, although we have the same view here - I don&#039;t end up at the same conclusion as you, that &#039;this religion stinks&#039;. I say &quot;this aspect needs reform.&quot; But I say it in a more profound, catchy way so I&#039;ll be quoted widely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the difference OP. I agree entirely with your way of thinking. I&#8217;ve often criticised the &#8216;codes&#8217; for Islamic dress as I think they&#8217;re unnecessary if men can control themselves. Dressing women modestly so all thoughts about them are &#8216;pure&#8217; is the same as saying make food bland so no one gets hungry. Somehow, over the years, Muslim women have adopted this as a symbol of &#8216;empowerment&#8217;, which baffles me.</p>
<p>However, although we have the same view here &#8211; I don&#8217;t end up at the same conclusion as you, that &#8216;this religion stinks&#8217;. I say &#8220;this aspect needs reform.&#8221; But I say it in a more profound, catchy way so I&#8217;ll be quoted widely.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickler</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-8883</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Pickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;it states that you [women] must dress yourselves in a way to keep a low profile, as to not attract any male (perverted is type intended) attention.&lt;/i&gt;

Well that is a pile of crap. Men should control themselves. How would you like to go around in a potato sack? This religion stinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>it states that you [women] must dress yourselves in a way to keep a low profile, as to not attract any male (perverted is type intended) attention.</i></p>
<p>Well that is a pile of crap. Men should control themselves. How would you like to go around in a potato sack? This religion stinks.</p>
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		<title>By: Siddharth</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-8881</link>
		<dc:creator>Siddharth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you mean the ignorant troll?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you mean the ignorant troll?</p>
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		<title>By: Col. Mustafa</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-8877</link>
		<dc:creator>Col. Mustafa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to you.
To the person that said bollox to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to you.<br />
To the person that said bollox to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Wy Tsi</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-8876</link>
		<dc:creator>Wy Tsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why bollocks colonel?

do elaborate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why bollocks colonel?</p>
<p>do elaborate.</p>
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		<title>By: Col. Mustafa</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-8873</link>
		<dc:creator>Col. Mustafa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bollocks&quot; 


Bollox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bollocks&#8221; </p>
<p>Bollox.</p>
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		<title>By: Wy Tsi</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-8871</link>
		<dc:creator>Wy Tsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all people commenting on the burkha. the essence of it is the hijab. 

i won&#039;t bore you with the exact details behind it, but as we all know islam to be a religion of conservative nature, it states that you [women] must dress yourselves in a way to keep a low profile, as to not attract any male (perverted is type intended) attention.

i&#039;m a practicing muslim and to me, this makes complete sense. the burkha isn&#039;t supposed to be a black &quot;tent&quot; (as described by someone earlier). any effort on part of a muslim woman to make sure she keeps a low profile in public and avoids perverted glares from men is a strive in the light of hijab.

a little view of mine that usually sparks flares: if the burkha seems to be making a person gain more attention than making someone&#039;s presence in public more subtle - isn&#039;t that defeating the purpose?

this is my first comment and i do expect to get acidic replies.

bombs away....*gulp*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all people commenting on the burkha. the essence of it is the hijab. </p>
<p>i won&#8217;t bore you with the exact details behind it, but as we all know islam to be a religion of conservative nature, it states that you [women] must dress yourselves in a way to keep a low profile, as to not attract any male (perverted is type intended) attention.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m a practicing muslim and to me, this makes complete sense. the burkha isn&#8217;t supposed to be a black &#8220;tent&#8221; (as described by someone earlier). any effort on part of a muslim woman to make sure she keeps a low profile in public and avoids perverted glares from men is a strive in the light of hijab.</p>
<p>a little view of mine that usually sparks flares: if the burkha seems to be making a person gain more attention than making someone&#8217;s presence in public more subtle &#8211; isn&#8217;t that defeating the purpose?</p>
<p>this is my first comment and i do expect to get acidic replies.</p>
<p>bombs away&#8230;.*gulp*</p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Pickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;OP there are muslim women out there that wear the burkha completely out of choice, not even because islam is telling them to, but just because they want their own identity&lt;/i&gt;

Bollocks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>OP there are muslim women out there that wear the burkha completely out of choice, not even because islam is telling them to, but just because they want their own identity</i></p>
<p>Bollocks</p>
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		<title>By: Vikrant</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/226#comment-8838</link>
		<dc:creator>Vikrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(evidence destroyed)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(evidence destroyed)</p>
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