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	<title>Comments on: At least the MI5 makes sense</title>
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		<title>By: Amrit</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2254#comment-127770</link>
		<dc:creator>Amrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*promptly Facebooks this rare piece of common sense*</description>
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		<title>By: septicisle</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2254#comment-127734</link>
		<dc:creator>septicisle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an excellent document which reinforces what the sensible writers on terrorism have been saying for a long time.  The only thing it really glosses over is how much of a factor foreign policy is, which while never being the sole reason is certainly one of triggers which pushes someone towards extremism in the first place.  Spy Blog has a post up wondering whether the lack of a mention is down to this being handed to the Grauniad rather than leaked: http://p10.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/blog/2008/08/the-guardian---mi5-restricted-document---understanding-radicalisation-and-violen.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an excellent document which reinforces what the sensible writers on terrorism have been saying for a long time.  The only thing it really glosses over is how much of a factor foreign policy is, which while never being the sole reason is certainly one of triggers which pushes someone towards extremism in the first place.  Spy Blog has a post up wondering whether the lack of a mention is down to this being handed to the Grauniad rather than leaked: <a href="http://p10.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/blog/2008/08/the-guardian---mi5-restricted-document---understanding-radicalisation-and-violen.html" rel="nofollow">http://p10.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/blog/2008/08/the-guardian&#8212;mi5-restricted-document&#8212;understanding-radicalisation-and-violen.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: NotMajid</title>
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		<dc:creator>NotMajid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it looks like Quilliam Foundation is actually backed by Whitehall despite the denials and is a Government Backed Think Tank and not independant as claimed.

http://traditionalislamism.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/ex-quilliamite-reveals-whitehall-backing/

In addition Usamah Hassan&#039;s Father&#039;s Position is now is direct opposition to his son&#039;s:

http://clarifyislam.wordpress.com/

Significantly this goes against the claims and ambitions of these people who founded Quilliam and thus we see why there is a disjoint between Muslims and Government.

Would Government do this for any other community? NO.

Hazel Blears must answer this now as the government is manipulating the situation aided by Sufi Organisations to promote a brand of Islam that pleases neo-conservatives.

That isn&#039;t leading to discussion but anythign the MCB do is.

So now will this blog have the courage to discuss government interference and manipulation of a religious community?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it looks like Quilliam Foundation is actually backed by Whitehall despite the denials and is a Government Backed Think Tank and not independant as claimed.</p>
<p><a href="http://traditionalislamism.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/ex-quilliamite-reveals-whitehall-backing/" rel="nofollow">http://traditionalislamism.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/ex-quilliamite-reveals-whitehall-backing/</a></p>
<p>In addition Usamah Hassan&#8217;s Father&#8217;s Position is now is direct opposition to his son&#8217;s:</p>
<p><a href="http://clarifyislam.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://clarifyislam.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>Significantly this goes against the claims and ambitions of these people who founded Quilliam and thus we see why there is a disjoint between Muslims and Government.</p>
<p>Would Government do this for any other community? NO.</p>
<p>Hazel Blears must answer this now as the government is manipulating the situation aided by Sufi Organisations to promote a brand of Islam that pleases neo-conservatives.</p>
<p>That isn&#8217;t leading to discussion but anythign the MCB do is.</p>
<p>So now will this blog have the courage to discuss government interference and manipulation of a religious community?</p>
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		<title>By: platinum786</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2254#comment-127706</link>
		<dc:creator>platinum786</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Person who is a national of Britain.</description>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2254#comment-127705</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone with British nationality?</description>
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		<title>By: samaranch</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2254#comment-127701</link>
		<dc:creator>samaranch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does the term British national mean?</description>
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		<title>By: ashik</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2254#comment-127694</link>
		<dc:creator>ashik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€˜British-based terrorists are as ethnically diverseâ€™

Most of these terrorists we hear about seem to be Pakistani followed by Arabâ€™s and native converts/reverts. When was the last time one had to contend with a British Sylheti Bengali terrorist/suicide bomber? Itâ€™s not a common occurrence. 

British Pakistanis are quite naÃ¯ve and are more likely to believe in a more ideological utopian version of Islam than Bengalis, Indonesians or Indians. They also have the gall of thinking they are Muslims par excellence and are the foot-soldiers of the Ummah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€˜British-based terrorists are as ethnically diverseâ€™</p>
<p>Most of these terrorists we hear about seem to be Pakistani followed by Arabâ€™s and native converts/reverts. When was the last time one had to contend with a British Sylheti Bengali terrorist/suicide bomber? Itâ€™s not a common occurrence. </p>
<p>British Pakistanis are quite naÃ¯ve and are more likely to believe in a more ideological utopian version of Islam than Bengalis, Indonesians or Indians. They also have the gall of thinking they are Muslims par excellence and are the foot-soldiers of the Ummah.</p>
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		<title>By: platinum786</title>
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		<dc:creator>platinum786</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ir makes a lot of sense and ties in nicely with what I have been saying that education of individuals, particularly religious education is important. This is something that the Muslim community is solely responsible for. 

At this point any readers might ask the question &quot;But the suicide bombers etc are always talking about religion, so how can they be non religious individuals?&quot;

Well the answer is such. They start off as non-religious individuals, typically people who drink and go out and pull etc, druggies, typical bad boys. They then at some stage grow up and might want to turn back to religion, and often find it hard to approach the mosques ran by elders, as they feel ashamed of what they have done, and don&#039;t want to announce their open secrets. There is a lot of snobbery involved in the religious circles and in a culture where respect and image and honour is so valued, people tend to turn away from the I-told-you-so&#039;s. That often leads people to the extremist types, who are willing to welcome anyone on board. 

I know a guy off the internet and he told me a brother of his mates who was a Meth addict was being used by these extremists and they were feeding his drug habit to keep him on board. Luckily the got caught by the police in Bradford. 

there is a big difference between recruiters and planners and the pawns and foot soldiers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ir makes a lot of sense and ties in nicely with what I have been saying that education of individuals, particularly religious education is important. This is something that the Muslim community is solely responsible for. </p>
<p>At this point any readers might ask the question &#8220;But the suicide bombers etc are always talking about religion, so how can they be non religious individuals?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well the answer is such. They start off as non-religious individuals, typically people who drink and go out and pull etc, druggies, typical bad boys. They then at some stage grow up and might want to turn back to religion, and often find it hard to approach the mosques ran by elders, as they feel ashamed of what they have done, and don&#8217;t want to announce their open secrets. There is a lot of snobbery involved in the religious circles and in a culture where respect and image and honour is so valued, people tend to turn away from the I-told-you-so&#8217;s. That often leads people to the extremist types, who are willing to welcome anyone on board. </p>
<p>I know a guy off the internet and he told me a brother of his mates who was a Meth addict was being used by these extremists and they were feeding his drug habit to keep him on board. Luckily the got caught by the police in Bradford. </p>
<p>there is a big difference between recruiters and planners and the pawns and foot soldiers.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2254#comment-127679</link>
		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a sensible summary. Which is why nobody will listen to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a sensible summary. Which is why nobody will listen to it.</p>
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