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	<title>Comments on: BNP also a fan of Anthony Browne</title>
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		<title>By: Dave Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Sunny, but this is beneath you. If Anthony Browne had someway accepted or promoted the BNP&#039;s review you could make a case for a link. As it stands, you&#039;ve just said that we must join the Euro because the BNP oppose it.

A common theme on teh blogosphere is the poor quality of journalism and commentary in the press. If we sink to logical fallacies like this - a mixture of questionable cause and association fallacy - we rapidly become the Sun et al.

Now, it may be that Browne is not a good person to have any sort of political power. That doesn&#039;t mean all methods are justified in attacking him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Sunny, but this is beneath you. If Anthony Browne had someway accepted or promoted the BNP&#8217;s review you could make a case for a link. As it stands, you&#8217;ve just said that we must join the Euro because the BNP oppose it.</p>
<p>A common theme on teh blogosphere is the poor quality of journalism and commentary in the press. If we sink to logical fallacies like this &#8211; a mixture of questionable cause and association fallacy &#8211; we rapidly become the Sun et al.</p>
<p>Now, it may be that Browne is not a good person to have any sort of political power. That doesn&#8217;t mean all methods are justified in attacking him.</p>
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		<title>By: Amrit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So in short, Anthony Browne is a liar, and a deluded one at that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So in short, Anthony Browne is a liar, and a deluded one at that?</p>
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		<title>By: 5cc</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2204/comment-page-1#comment-125802</link>
		<dc:creator>5cc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;At least Richard Barnbrook is likely to welcome Boris employing Browne as his policy director.&quot;

Why, I do believe he just has:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://my.telegraph.co.uk/cllr_richard_barnbrook/blog/2008/07/31/common_sense_starting_to_break_out_in_london&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Common Sense Starting To Break Out In London&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At least Richard Barnbrook is likely to welcome Boris employing Browne as his policy director.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why, I do believe he just has:</p>
<p><a href="http://my.telegraph.co.uk/cllr_richard_barnbrook/blog/2008/07/31/common_sense_starting_to_break_out_in_london" rel="nofollow">Common Sense Starting To Break Out In London</a></p>
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		<title>By: DavidMWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidMWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This isn’t smear by association - there are serious questions to ask.&lt;/i&gt;

This is true, if the object of the questions is to find out about the BNP. But it is not an intelligent way to find out anything about Anthony Browne.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This isn’t smear by association &#8211; there are serious questions to ask.</i></p>
<p>This is true, if the object of the questions is to find out about the BNP. But it is not an intelligent way to find out anything about Anthony Browne.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2204/comment-page-1#comment-125772</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Does that make you a Leninist agitator?&lt;/i&gt;

Dunno, but it sounds counter-revolutionary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Does that make you a Leninist agitator?</i></p>
<p>Dunno, but it sounds counter-revolutionary.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyo</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2204/comment-page-1#comment-125771</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed you being referred to approvingly on Islamophobia Watch the other day Sunny. Does that make you a Leninist agitator?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed you being referred to approvingly on Islamophobia Watch the other day Sunny. Does that make you a Leninist agitator?</p>
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		<title>By: cjcjc</title>
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		<dc:creator>cjcjc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; They may well be serious question, but it is smear by association.
&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed.

The BNP is jumping on those things with which they agree.  Surprise surprise.

I doubt whether they allow black people the agency to which Browne refers when he refers to personal responsibility, for example.  They probably believe that they are &quot;naturally&quot; criminal, or some such BS.

Which is kind of what some on the left believe of course, though they express it differently!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> They may well be serious question, but it is smear by association.<br />
</i></p>
<p>Indeed.</p>
<p>The BNP is jumping on those things with which they agree.  Surprise surprise.</p>
<p>I doubt whether they allow black people the agency to which Browne refers when he refers to personal responsibility, for example.  They probably believe that they are &#8220;naturally&#8221; criminal, or some such BS.</p>
<p>Which is kind of what some on the left believe of course, though they express it differently!</p>
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		<title>By: MaidMarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaidMarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny (11) - 

They may well be serious question, but it is smear by association.

If you look at the BNP manifesto their bizarre motherhood and apple pie view of the world makes them fans of many things.

Browne&#039;s work needs to stand and/or fall on its own merits.  Not who agrees with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny (11) &#8211; </p>
<p>They may well be serious question, but it is smear by association.</p>
<p>If you look at the BNP manifesto their bizarre motherhood and apple pie view of the world makes them fans of many things.</p>
<p>Browne&#8217;s work needs to stand and/or fall on its own merits.  Not who agrees with him.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Attacking someone on the basis of whether the Sun or the BNP likes it, it is lame and somewhat cheap.&lt;/i&gt;

Not really, its a fact. One has to wonder what endears him to the BNP so much. Is it because he perpetuates bullshit that they also believe in? Is it because they have common enemies? Is it because they believe in his view of society??

This isn&#039;t smear by association - there are serious questions to ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Attacking someone on the basis of whether the Sun or the BNP likes it, it is lame and somewhat cheap.</i></p>
<p>Not really, its a fact. One has to wonder what endears him to the BNP so much. Is it because he perpetuates bullshit that they also believe in? Is it because they have common enemies? Is it because they believe in his view of society??</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t smear by association &#8211; there are serious questions to ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert Rustle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bert Rustle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, Anthony Browne&#039;s book itself suffers from Political Correctness, for example by the omission from the references of &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/Political-Correctness-Theoretical-Struggle-Marcuse/dp/0476002354&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Political Correctness and the Theoretical Struggle&lt;/a&gt;, authored by Frank Ellis and which merits study.

I would hazard a guess  that one reason for this omission would be the interview of Frank Ellis by &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://mattkennard.com/frank-ellis-transcript/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Matt Kennard&lt;/a&gt;, which I believe appeared in a Leeds University student publication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, Anthony Browne&#8217;s book itself suffers from Political Correctness, for example by the omission from the references of <a HREF="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Political-Correctness-Theoretical-Struggle-Marcuse/dp/0476002354" rel="nofollow">Political Correctness and the Theoretical Struggle</a>, authored by Frank Ellis and which merits study.</p>
<p>I would hazard a guess  that one reason for this omission would be the interview of Frank Ellis by <a HREF="http://mattkennard.com/frank-ellis-transcript/" rel="nofollow">Matt Kennard</a>, which I believe appeared in a Leeds University student publication.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‘why should facts stand in the way of a good rant?’

Indeed, that&#039;s why you read the quoran.




Our time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘why should facts stand in the way of a good rant?’</p>
<p>Indeed, that&#8217;s why you read the quoran.</p>
<p>Our time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The garbage is of course the responsibility of the individual boroughs…&quot;

Er, it&#039;s an analogy?  There&#039;s no Democrat or Republican way to run a bus service, either, but that&#039;s a far more important part of the Mayor&#039;s job than running festivals or employing intellectual pygmies who like wanking on about the evils of multiculturalism.

Boris watching at present has two main strands - chronicaling what he&#039;s doing and who he&#039;s appointing, and attempting to predict the results - how London will change and whether it&#039;ll be better or worse for various parts of the community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The garbage is of course the responsibility of the individual boroughs…&#8221;</p>
<p>Er, it&#8217;s an analogy?  There&#8217;s no Democrat or Republican way to run a bus service, either, but that&#8217;s a far more important part of the Mayor&#8217;s job than running festivals or employing intellectual pygmies who like wanking on about the evils of multiculturalism.</p>
<p>Boris watching at present has two main strands &#8211; chronicaling what he&#8217;s doing and who he&#8217;s appointing, and attempting to predict the results &#8211; how London will change and whether it&#8217;ll be better or worse for various parts of the community.</p>
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		<title>By: cjcjc</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2204/comment-page-1#comment-125744</link>
		<dc:creator>cjcjc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; there is famously no Republican or Democratic way to pick up the garbage &lt;/i&gt;

The garbage is of course the responsibility of the individual boroughs...

But you are right.  Let&#039;s see how things have changed in a year or so.

I think the anti-Boris camp is &lt;i&gt; so &lt;/i&gt; stung by Ken&#039;s loss that they are piling in so far on &lt;i&gt; relatively &lt;/i&gt; trivial issues, eg Rise.

If he&#039;s as incompetent as they think, that should be manifest more widely soon enough and there&#039;ll be plenty to pile in on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> there is famously no Republican or Democratic way to pick up the garbage </i></p>
<p>The garbage is of course the responsibility of the individual boroughs&#8230;</p>
<p>But you are right.  Let&#8217;s see how things have changed in a year or so.</p>
<p>I think the anti-Boris camp is <i> so </i> stung by Ken&#8217;s loss that they are piling in so far on <i> relatively </i> trivial issues, eg Rise.</p>
<p>If he&#8217;s as incompetent as they think, that should be manifest more widely soon enough and there&#8217;ll be plenty to pile in on!</p>
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		<title>By: DavidMWW</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2204/comment-page-1#comment-125739</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidMWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are strong arguments to make against Anthony Browne, but &lt;i&gt;argumentum ad BNP&lt;/i&gt; isn&#039;t one of them.
1) It isn&#039;t an argument, it is a smear
2) it is a logical fallacy
3) it gives more importance to the opinions of the BNP than they deserve.

People should stop doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are strong arguments to make against Anthony Browne, but <i>argumentum ad BNP</i> isn&#8217;t one of them.<br />
1) It isn&#8217;t an argument, it is a smear<br />
2) it is a logical fallacy<br />
3) it gives more importance to the opinions of the BNP than they deserve.</p>
<p>People should stop doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But the stark reality Sunny is that if one says something often enough, people will start to believe it - both you and they know it.&quot;

Agreed.  I just can&#039;t for the life of me see why - sooner or later there&#039;ll be a clash between the entirely fantasy world created by Browne and co. and the reality of London, probably over policing.  Frothing over imaginary multicultural insults is no substitute for proper public administration, and, when you get down to it, Boris and co. are just running a municipal administration, albeit a big one.

As Alex Harrowell pointed out a few weeks back - &#039;there is famously no Republican or Democratic way to pick up the garbage&#039;.  The same goes for PC-hating fantasy ideologues, too.  We&#039;ll just have to keep an eye out for the carnage and make sure blame is duly apportioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But the stark reality Sunny is that if one says something often enough, people will start to believe it &#8211; both you and they know it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed.  I just can&#8217;t for the life of me see why &#8211; sooner or later there&#8217;ll be a clash between the entirely fantasy world created by Browne and co. and the reality of London, probably over policing.  Frothing over imaginary multicultural insults is no substitute for proper public administration, and, when you get down to it, Boris and co. are just running a municipal administration, albeit a big one.</p>
<p>As Alex Harrowell pointed out a few weeks back &#8211; &#8216;there is famously no Republican or Democratic way to pick up the garbage&#8217;.  The same goes for PC-hating fantasy ideologues, too.  We&#8217;ll just have to keep an eye out for the carnage and make sure blame is duly apportioned.</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a very dirty ploy Sunny, which might have been effective in the 1980s but not now.

I hear Nick Griffin likes cheese and pickle sandwiches too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a very dirty ploy Sunny, which might have been effective in the 1980s but not now.</p>
<p>I hear Nick Griffin likes cheese and pickle sandwiches too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi Naik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ravi Naik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attacking someone on the basis of whether the Sun or the BNP likes it, it is lame and somewhat cheap. If you have a case against Anthony Browne - and I believe you have - let&#039;s focus solely on what he has to say.

Islamists and the BNP are also against the Iraq War, so is that a legit attack against people like us who are also against it? 

Focus on the issues, not on third-party groups, specially those in the fringe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attacking someone on the basis of whether the Sun or the BNP likes it, it is lame and somewhat cheap. If you have a case against Anthony Browne &#8211; and I believe you have &#8211; let&#8217;s focus solely on what he has to say.</p>
<p>Islamists and the BNP are also against the Iraq War, so is that a legit attack against people like us who are also against it? </p>
<p>Focus on the issues, not on third-party groups, specially those in the fringe.</p>
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		<title>By: MaidMarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaidMarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;why should facts stand in the way of a good rant?&#039;

Absolutely right.  Very many of the &#039;PC gone mad&#039; stories withstand absolutely no kind of scrutiny of any sort.  Indeed, if hacks and the chatterati spent their time on real horror stories like the Council ban on athiest websites (on here a couple of days ago) then they may actually do some good instead of whipping up hate.

But the stark reality Sunny is that if one says something often enough, people will start to believe it - both you and they know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;why should facts stand in the way of a good rant?&#8217;</p>
<p>Absolutely right.  Very many of the &#8216;PC gone mad&#8217; stories withstand absolutely no kind of scrutiny of any sort.  Indeed, if hacks and the chatterati spent their time on real horror stories like the Council ban on athiest websites (on here a couple of days ago) then they may actually do some good instead of whipping up hate.</p>
<p>But the stark reality Sunny is that if one says something often enough, people will start to believe it &#8211; both you and they know it.</p>
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		<title>By: cjcjc</title>
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		<dc:creator>cjcjc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;  A far reaching book which has the left squealing in horror. &lt;/i&gt;

QED!!

&lt;i&gt; the comparatively powerless Islamic Dutch-Moroccan killer &lt;/i&gt;

Poor baby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>  A far reaching book which has the left squealing in horror. </i></p>
<p>QED!!</p>
<p><i> the comparatively powerless Islamic Dutch-Moroccan killer </i></p>
<p>Poor baby.</p>
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