Miliband and Harman to challenge Brown?


by Leon
29th July, 2008 at 2:30 pm    

David Milipede

Didn’t Alistair Campbell once say that if you’re in the news for 12 days straight [on one story] you’ll have to resign? Brown’s must be eyeing the calendar with some concern. Another day, another string of rumours about plots, letters and potential leaders in waiting:

David Miliband and Harriet Harman are preparing the ground for a leadership election, Times Online can reveal. Many in the Labour party now believe that a revolt against Gordon Brown is highly likely, with the probability that it will take place at the start of September.

A number of ministers are considering standing down in early autumn, possibly refusing to serve in a Brown reshuffle; it was reported by The Times today.

It is alleged that Ms Harman was spotted on Thursday night, watching the scale of Labour’s defeat in the Glasgow East by-election on the television, telling aides “this is my moment”. This comes despite public protestations of loyalty from Labour’s deputy leader, who is “minding the shop” in Downing Street this week while Mr Brown is on holiday.


Update:
Is this the beginning of David Miliband’s leadership bid?


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  1. Sunny — on 29th July, 2008 at 3:05 pm  

    Oh come on! Why are we feeding off vacuous speculative news???

    Its not happening much as the media might want it to happen!

  2. Leon — on 29th July, 2008 at 3:34 pm  

    Oh come on! Why are we feeding off vacuous speculative news???

    The briefings have to come from somewhere, saying that it’s all a media speculation is usually a Labour spin defense….:D

  3. Hermes123 — on 29th July, 2008 at 3:50 pm  

    Sunny, it’s not just media speculation…no smoke without fire, etc. Every single commentator is now talking about the need for a change and Polly Toynbee this morning has an interesting point about how proportional representation would have helped Labour in the next election, if only they had the balls to have brought it in.

    This government has not shaken off the arrogance and snobbery of the Blair years and will surely pay for it heavily. A change in leadership can only lessen the damage, but not reverse it. They are doomed, I tell ye, doomed!!!

    PS: If I had a vote in the coming election, I would vote Harriet Harman for proposing a special tax on the super rich.

  4. MaidMarian — on 29th July, 2008 at 4:02 pm  

    This is purest summer silly-season and we are only a few days in!

    I am actually starting to want Brown to win the next election for no other reason than to see the internet chatterati’s reaction.

  5. Hermes123 — on 29th July, 2008 at 4:04 pm  

    MaidMarian, you must be as much out of touch with reality as Gordon Brown is to think that is even remotely possible.

  6. billaricaydickey — on 29th July, 2008 at 4:12 pm  

    Page 15 of the London Evening Standard is tipping John Cruddas as a contender. I understand he denies it. This takes me back to Marlon Brando in “On the waterfront”. “I could have been a contender”.

  7. Hermes123 — on 29th July, 2008 at 4:18 pm  

    Bloody hell, BillyD…that’s an old film. You must be ancient!

  8. Leon — on 29th July, 2008 at 4:34 pm  

    proportional representation would have helped Labour in the next election, if only they had the balls to have brought it in.

    Delicious irony considering they once were thinking about bring it in only to turn against it once they won the 97 landslide!

    Dare Labour bring in PR?? I think not.

  9. El Cid — on 29th July, 2008 at 5:58 pm  

    Unless Labour wants to turn into the Man City, Spurs, or Atletico Madrid of UK politics, I suggest they sit tight and regroup in 2009.
    They are swimming against a very powerful tide. A revolving door of leadership will change nothing.

  10. Shamit — on 29th July, 2008 at 7:30 pm  

    I agree with Sunny — this is all bollocks.

    For 10 years, the media speculated how Brown ran the government (albeit with briefing from idiots such as Ed Balls) and Blair was basically an incompetent idiot who would not know what to do without Brown. And the media lapped it up and people like Tonybee and Alice Miles and Freedland went on about how removing Blair would resolve all the problems. But now alas they are calling for removal of Brown.

    But, what the Guardianistan followers fail to understand is that the electorate dont like backstabbers — and another coup without clear mandate from the electorate would be suicidal for the labour party. And hence, Brown is safe.

    And, politically speaking, I dont think Labour can win an election next year or this year — something they would have to do if they bring someone in as the leader and unelected PM. And, backstabbing the leader while the country is going through tough times just would look like navel gazing and in that situation – they would lose much more seats aka 1997 (albeit reverse).

    And, that would ensure the Tories would at least win 2 elections if not 3. Cos a huge majority like that cannot be overturned in one parliament. But if they band together and (I dislike Brown vehemently) work as a team with Brown — they would still be defeated and a new leader in opposition could have a united party to rebuild. But if they follow the advice of Tonybee, Miles and others — they would fall into the usual trap of being far removed from the voters (just like they did when they ran Brown’s campaign to remove Blair).

    And, Brown wont go withour a fight and I have a feeling he would get backing from even Blairites and old big names such as Blunkett, Reid, Prescott, Milburn who are still in parliament. And, he might have to sacrifice Ed Balls and couple of others who are ultra – Brownites, to unite the party in the reshuffle.

    But what do I know.

  11. BenSix — on 29th July, 2008 at 9:18 pm  
  12. Leon — on 29th July, 2008 at 9:39 pm  

    Just because she denies it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

  13. Shamit — on 29th July, 2008 at 10:18 pm  

    And just because people in the media said it happened — it did not.. By the way, Leon, you know the electorate trusts politicians far more than the media — so why should we trust the media and not the politicians.

  14. Leon — on 29th July, 2008 at 10:24 pm  

    Smoke and mirrors mate but defend your precious Labour party all you want. The deal is done, the party’s over, Labour cannot win the next election because the brand is toxic. All they can do now is decide how much damage they endure.

    Anyway, looks like the wheels are creaking into motion, see the update on this post.

  15. BenSix — on 29th July, 2008 at 10:43 pm  

    “By the way, Leon, you know the electorate trusts politicians far more than the media — so why should we trust the media and not the politicians.”

    We should treat them both with the utmost suspicion.

    Ben

  16. Leon — on 29th July, 2008 at 10:56 pm  

    Looks like Milipede is going on tour to spread the love…

  17. Shamit — on 29th July, 2008 at 11:15 pm  

    Leon I am the guy who wrote this -

    next election

    and this

    Conviction Politician

    Do you think I am tribal labour supporter who would defend the party at any cost. Not really mate

  18. Shamit — on 29th July, 2008 at 11:18 pm  

    But I would trust a politician more anyday than an arm chair commentator such as Tonybee and others. I do respect many in the media such as Christian Amanpour or Barkha Dutt or even David Dimbleby. Oh yeah I even like Bill O Reily sometimes…at least he does not fawn over a particular candidate and then when things go wrong say I told you so.

    British Media now is crap —- and that was my point

  19. BenSix — on 29th July, 2008 at 11:36 pm  

    “But I would trust a politician more anyday than an arm chair commentator such as Tonybee and others.”

    Politicians deserve scrutiny as they hold the power to act, news reportage deserves scrutiny as it reveals the actions of the powerful and opinion commentary deserves scrutiny as it attempts to bring coherence to narrative created by the politicians and news reportage.

    Ben

  20. Shamit — on 29th July, 2008 at 11:44 pm  

    Ben

    I agree – but would it not be better if you let the readers decide on what is the truth and if there is coherence in the narrative. Why not let people tell their story their way and I think the readers are clever enough to decide for themselves

    And, I firmly believe that and I am not just saying this — I put my money where my mouth is — if you look at our site you would see that. I believe the readers and citizens are clever enough to do their own analysis. And, while I disagree with many politicians on their beliefs and convictions — they put themselves on the line and that should be respected. And they should have the right to present their story their way and their opponents should have the same rights to. One of the reasons I like pickled politics is the different opinions and thats why I respect Sunny and the PP team for what they do here.

  21. Leon — on 30th July, 2008 at 12:43 am  

    So what are your thoughts on the Miliband news?

  22. Anas — on 30th July, 2008 at 12:44 am  

    ugh, Harman and Miliband – who would vote for labour if either of them became party leader? they dont exactly compensate for Browns utter lack of charisma

  23. Leon — on 30th July, 2008 at 12:50 am  

    Would you prefer Jack Straw?

  24. Refresh — on 30th July, 2008 at 1:06 am  

    I would prefer Brown to stay. He has so much left to undo before the next election.

  25. Sunny — on 30th July, 2008 at 3:23 am  

    Shamit has it spot on.

    The electorate won’t like another back-stabbing, and neither would the Labour party.

    Sunny, it’s not just media speculation…no smoke without fire, etc. Every single commentator is now talking about the need for a change

    Bloody hell guys, this is rather naive. In politics you can always find people who will brief against the leader for various factional reasons, especially in times of crises.

    This bollocks about ‘no smoke without fire’ doesn’t take into account the fact that the smoke is being created by the media.

    The cabinet is strongly supporting Brown. That’s all that matters. All this speculation is just that – lame speculation by the media.

  26. Anas — on 30th July, 2008 at 11:57 am  

    Would you prefer Jack Straw?

    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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