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	<title>Comments on: Tarique Ghaffur &#8211; bloody hell</title>
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		<title>By: Dalbir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalbir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13

Cool. We need more ethnic representation to stop the damn thing becoming a sword arm of the BNP! lol

Stay strong.</description>
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<p>Cool. We need more ethnic representation to stop the damn thing becoming a sword arm of the BNP! lol</p>
<p>Stay strong.</p>
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		<title>By: Twining or Black in Blue</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2101/comment-page-1#comment-122874</link>
		<dc:creator>Twining or Black in Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dalbir at 11 yes I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dalbir at 11 yes I am.</p>
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		<title>By: Avi Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avi Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian Blair is a political policeman and has never really done a good job. He failed in his role for the Stockwell shooting and many other events. His forec leaks regularly to the Murdoch media and here we are now with not the first allegation of racism.

The man simply has to go now for the good of London.

Ghaffur is doing the right thing if it exposes what everyone knows. But will he be allowed to make a case or will the Met do what it has done in the past and go dirt digging.

Also as I have said Muslims are trying to engage but show me how many times that hand of friendship and engagement has been accepted by Govt and Govt Departments - practically zero. Where it is engaged on rare occassions then the secular and evangelicals strat screaming.

BTW Engagement doesn&#039;t entail Blears being sent to lecture Muslims it entails also listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian Blair is a political policeman and has never really done a good job. He failed in his role for the Stockwell shooting and many other events. His forec leaks regularly to the Murdoch media and here we are now with not the first allegation of racism.</p>
<p>The man simply has to go now for the good of London.</p>
<p>Ghaffur is doing the right thing if it exposes what everyone knows. But will he be allowed to make a case or will the Met do what it has done in the past and go dirt digging.</p>
<p>Also as I have said Muslims are trying to engage but show me how many times that hand of friendship and engagement has been accepted by Govt and Govt Departments &#8211; practically zero. Where it is engaged on rare occassions then the secular and evangelicals strat screaming.</p>
<p>BTW Engagement doesn&#8217;t entail Blears being sent to lecture Muslims it entails also listening.</p>
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		<title>By: Dalbir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalbir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twining - Are you a policeman?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twining &#8211; Are you a policeman?</p>
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		<title>By: Twining or Black in Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twining or Black in Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are several ways to look at this. Senior Officer&#039;s talking about racism? Nah, they deny it&#039;s existence inside, unless of course it is causght on film. They also secretly undermine the relevance of Macpherson in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several ways to look at this. Senior Officer&#8217;s talking about racism? Nah, they deny it&#8217;s existence inside, unless of course it is causght on film. They also secretly undermine the relevance of Macpherson in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: fugstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fugstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7 interesting. arent there erm.. laws against police bloggers or something?

the media machine destroys all that is meaningful. its the real medium of 1-1 human relations thats where i believe the honey is. maybe just let the ants get stuck in the glue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7 interesting. arent there erm.. laws against police bloggers or something?</p>
<p>the media machine destroys all that is meaningful. its the real medium of 1-1 human relations thats where i believe the honey is. maybe just let the ants get stuck in the glue.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The media machine is already in overdrive on this one - with most of the commentary I suspect framing Ghaffur as the disgruntled employee playing his final card. Racism is a very serious allegation and I do believe that this case can potentially cause a lot of harm to race-relations on either side, because all the bull-shitters in the media will come out to play from well-meaning-but-clueless (left) to utterly deranged (right). 

Funny thing is, I immediately recalled the Channel 4 (?) documentary where some of the Liverpool PD were talking standard racist cobblers and being secretly filmed. People like this may be in the minority, but when you start hearing senior officers talking about racism, it does not inspire any confidence or trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media machine is already in overdrive on this one &#8211; with most of the commentary I suspect framing Ghaffur as the disgruntled employee playing his final card. Racism is a very serious allegation and I do believe that this case can potentially cause a lot of harm to race-relations on either side, because all the bull-shitters in the media will come out to play from well-meaning-but-clueless (left) to utterly deranged (right). </p>
<p>Funny thing is, I immediately recalled the Channel 4 (?) documentary where some of the Liverpool PD were talking standard racist cobblers and being secretly filmed. People like this may be in the minority, but when you start hearing senior officers talking about racism, it does not inspire any confidence or trust.</p>
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		<title>By: Twining or Black in Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twining or Black in Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fugstar, some of do this all the time, but without any credit whatsoever. We don&#039;t all have the benefits of a media machine. Have a look at my web blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fugstar, some of do this all the time, but without any credit whatsoever. We don&#8217;t all have the benefits of a media machine. Have a look at my web blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Twining or Black in Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twining or Black in Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have said before,and this should be heard; the Macpherson Report reccomendations have been utterly, systematically and disgracefully whitewashed inside the police service. 

This, therefore, was an inevitable position that Mr Ghaffur would claim racial discrimination against the Metropolitan Police, but this happens all over the country. 

In my opinion Blair&#039;s record on race is poor, consider de Menezes for example. His record on other issus of diversity, e.g sexuality, may be different, but hey there&#039;s really nothing like being Black.

Yes, the service harbours some that practice racism in my opinion; but it&#039;s far far worse then this; some managers do not care an iota about race; they are happy ticking boxes for the HMIC. The then HMIC come in, see the ticked boxes, consult with Chiefs, but nothing occurs. Who works for whom?

Race change, I am afraid, is being controlled by a Liberal elite inside policing. These people are hardly likely to dismantle the advantages that actually got them to where they are. 

This case is required. Notwithstanding the fact that actually peole like Blair and other Liberal managers do not fear being called racist, this is a terrible state of affiars. Please understand that they will fight any allegations and try and dismiss them; but has this not been a Colonial pight since the days of slavery. What&#039;s new? New slavery.

Not only this but they will get the authority on side. As soon as Ghaffur decides he won&#039;t play ball with their rules, he&#039;s on his own, outside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have said before,and this should be heard; the Macpherson Report reccomendations have been utterly, systematically and disgracefully whitewashed inside the police service. </p>
<p>This, therefore, was an inevitable position that Mr Ghaffur would claim racial discrimination against the Metropolitan Police, but this happens all over the country. </p>
<p>In my opinion Blair&#8217;s record on race is poor, consider de Menezes for example. His record on other issus of diversity, e.g sexuality, may be different, but hey there&#8217;s really nothing like being Black.</p>
<p>Yes, the service harbours some that practice racism in my opinion; but it&#8217;s far far worse then this; some managers do not care an iota about race; they are happy ticking boxes for the HMIC. The then HMIC come in, see the ticked boxes, consult with Chiefs, but nothing occurs. Who works for whom?</p>
<p>Race change, I am afraid, is being controlled by a Liberal elite inside policing. These people are hardly likely to dismantle the advantages that actually got them to where they are. </p>
<p>This case is required. Notwithstanding the fact that actually peole like Blair and other Liberal managers do not fear being called racist, this is a terrible state of affiars. Please understand that they will fight any allegations and try and dismiss them; but has this not been a Colonial pight since the days of slavery. What&#8217;s new? New slavery.</p>
<p>Not only this but they will get the authority on side. As soon as Ghaffur decides he won&#8217;t play ball with their rules, he&#8217;s on his own, outside.</p>
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		<title>By: fugstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fugstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope it works out well for the chap, however...

Litigation does make a public spectacle of things. Whenever i&#039;ve come across incidents where rascism comes up in an institutions.... irrespective of what happens theres an entrenchment of &#039;this pcness is bs&#039; in the organisation.

Kudos to the folks in there who are changing perceptions with their human qualities. Police service is a hard one to crack... they arent habituated to dealing with the loveliest people in the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope it works out well for the chap, however&#8230;</p>
<p>Litigation does make a public spectacle of things. Whenever i&#8217;ve come across incidents where rascism comes up in an institutions&#8230;. irrespective of what happens theres an entrenchment of &#8216;this pcness is bs&#8217; in the organisation.</p>
<p>Kudos to the folks in there who are changing perceptions with their human qualities. Police service is a hard one to crack&#8230; they arent habituated to dealing with the loveliest people in the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Nav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sallama Hu&#039;alayha:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The guy has, no doubt, friends in high places and that’s why he was left in his job.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Amen to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sallama Hu&#8217;alayha:</p>
<blockquote><p>The guy has, no doubt, friends in high places and that’s why he was left in his job.</p></blockquote>
<p>Amen to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dalbir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalbir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This doesn&#039;t surprise me. A few &quot;brown&quot; policemen have told me they feel the force harbours many racists. 

They&#039;ve also categorically said that whilst The Lawrence inquiry did well to expose institionalised racism in the police, the racism never stopped. It just went underground. The main difference was that your white colleagues now had to be very careful about making dubious racist &quot;canteen banter&quot; comments in your face.

Babylon system and that.....lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doesn&#8217;t surprise me. A few &#8220;brown&#8221; policemen have told me they feel the force harbours many racists. </p>
<p>They&#8217;ve also categorically said that whilst The Lawrence inquiry did well to expose institionalised racism in the police, the racism never stopped. It just went underground. The main difference was that your white colleagues now had to be very careful about making dubious racist &#8220;canteen banter&#8221; comments in your face.</p>
<p>Babylon system and that&#8230;..lol</p>
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		<title>By: marvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>marvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody who has been repeatedly unfairly treated and passed over for promotion must have avenues to address this.

But if you&#039;re not an ethnic minority, fully-abled, and male, on what grounds do you call discrimination if your boss has taking a dislike to you???!

I&#039;d like to know what proof that the reasons he was passed over for promotion were simply due to race. Because as we all know race is the trump card, so I&#039;d like to see evidence, other than the fact he is actually brown.

Maybe it was simply &#039;racism&#039; from Ian Blair, but I feel sceptical. If you are brown and you are treated unfairly, it&#039;s easy to make jump to the conclusion of racism I would think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody who has been repeatedly unfairly treated and passed over for promotion must have avenues to address this.</p>
<p>But if you&#8217;re not an ethnic minority, fully-abled, and male, on what grounds do you call discrimination if your boss has taking a dislike to you???!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to know what proof that the reasons he was passed over for promotion were simply due to race. Because as we all know race is the trump card, so I&#8217;d like to see evidence, other than the fact he is actually brown.</p>
<p>Maybe it was simply &#8216;racism&#8217; from Ian Blair, but I feel sceptical. If you are brown and you are treated unfairly, it&#8217;s easy to make jump to the conclusion of racism I would think.</p>
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		<title>By: Sallama Hu'alayha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sallama Hu'alayha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not talk of Ian Blair, he should&#039;ve resigned after Stockwell disgrace and humiliation of the Met. The guy has, no doubt, friends in high places and that&#039;s why he was left in his job. Ian Blair is more than foolish, I&#039;d say,  and a friend of mine who&#039;s been working for the Met for the last 15 odd years tells me that this doesn&#039;t bode well for either party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not talk of Ian Blair, he should&#8217;ve resigned after Stockwell disgrace and humiliation of the Met. The guy has, no doubt, friends in high places and that&#8217;s why he was left in his job. Ian Blair is more than foolish, I&#8217;d say,  and a friend of mine who&#8217;s been working for the Met for the last 15 odd years tells me that this doesn&#8217;t bode well for either party.</p>
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