Playing the victim card in Aussieland


by Al-Hack
16th December, 2005 at 8:17 am    

In the comments section of my previous post on the Australian race riots, Kate points to two articles;
1) The Age profiles Alan Jones, Sydney’s highest-rating breakfast radio host, who claims to have “lead the charge” using his show. On air he read out the infamous text message: “Come to Cronulla this weekend to take revenge. This Sunday every Aussie in the Shire get down to North Cronulla to support the Leb and wog bashing day …” There is much more – read the article.

Kate adds: “….the media in Australia for the most part is weak, reprehensible, and sometimes even inflammatory and racist.”

2) She also points to a Mediawatch expose just a few months ago, catching Channel 7 blatantly twisting the words of young Lebanese Muslims to give the impression “they don’t want to integrate”.

On that subject, to hear Melanie “mad dog” Phillips raving about Muslims attacking “indigenous Aussies” was hilarious. I didn’t know the Aboriginies were involved love? Have the sanity pills run out? In fact, has anyone asked the Aboriginies if the white Australians have “integrated” sufficiently into their society.

Remember, this is about poor, blameless, lovely white women being attacked by horrible Muslims and a culture of political-correctness stopping these people from being dealt with. You gotta feel sorry for the poor, opressed (white) Australians ( /French/whoever). ‘Dark days’(tm), she will tell you. It was only a few decades ago that people were complaining about Jews not integrating and being a problem… oh never mind, I doubt Phillips will get the irony.

For a quick laugh, you can read this thread on Harry’s Place where a bunch of racism apologists whine and bleat about being victims, and how this wasn’t neo-nazi activity but a legitimate reaction against Muslims (so it couldn’t be racist, see). Let’s ignore that most “Lebs” in Aussieland are Christian, and they are, at most, .9% of the population. It’s an invasion dammit, and by not spending all their time drinking beer, they’re out to destroy Aussie life.


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  1. Robert Sharp

    Creative Destruction

    Isn’t it funny how everyone, everywhere thinks their culture is under attack, eh?




  1. alban — on 16th December, 2005 at 8:48 am  

    show some perspective tho

    the australians (non aborigines) have made this place into an amazingly well developed first world country. ofcourse it didnt hurt that its a rich place to live. we got asians, blacks, whites all living together prospering, and mostly getting along.

    whats with foreigners going on about our country, moaning about racism and whatever. how the fuck do you know? fuck howard and his government but its the same the whole world around with this charged terrorism atmosphere. we would be doing just fine here as brown australians if this terrorism bullshit wasnt around.

    and these lebanese thugs, well they dont help the brown man in any way. trouble making fuckers.

    big up media watch as usual. fuck the media here otherwise. but i blame you foreign fuckers for showing them how to make ‘issues’ and ‘setting an agenda’.

  2. j0nz — on 16th December, 2005 at 11:03 am  

    I think the ‘integration’ issue is do with the murder of 88 Australians by self-declared Muslims

    Everyboydy *knows* there is an problem with integration with sections of the Muslim community with the host community in *any* part of the world. Even Al-Hack knows, but pretends otherwise!

    With the increased migration of Lebanese Muslims, shootings, stabbings & rapes (of mostly white women have risen sharply. But let’s not let facts get in the way!

    I’m sure it’s nothing to with these white-arsed imagined cultural differences…!

    That Dj Alan Jones is a dangerous twat. And I think the decent Lebanese migrants have more to fear from their criminal counterparts than the low IQ neo-nazis who would have trouble organising a pissup in a brewery. God knows who they figured how to use SMS…

  3. j0nz — on 16th December, 2005 at 11:16 am  

    Remember, this is about poor, blameless, lovely white women being attacked

    In light of all the rape cases and intimidation on the beaches this is sarcasm is rather tastless to say the least. But Al-Hack’s not here to be balanced!

    Blameless? You’re being sarcastic? You’re saying they’re asking to be raped? Please clairfy Al-Hacker

  4. Vladimir — on 16th December, 2005 at 11:48 am  

    ALAN JONES IS…”Australia’s most popular talk back presenter. Alan Jones is a phenomenon. He is described by many as Australia’s greatest orator and motivational speaker. Alan has the mind and capacity to make complex issues understandable to the largest Breakfast audience in Australia. ”
    LOL!

  5. alban — on 16th December, 2005 at 12:17 pm  

    alan jones .. is a twat. he has ‘interesting’ opinions that he takes too seriously as being some great profound insight that will stun others into admiration. fuck him too.

  6. Mirax — on 16th December, 2005 at 2:54 pm  

    jonz- another dangerous twat. Evidence:

    “I think the ‘integration’ issue is do with the murder of 88 Australians by self-declared Muslims”

    Yeah! 2002 Bali murders by a small bunch of ‘self-declared muslim’ bastards (and almost universally reviled by aus-muslims then and now) is somehow a problem of ‘integration’ of muslims in present day Australia. Hey fcukwit aren’t you forgetting to add 9/11 7/7,Madrid, Beslan into the mix too? Just like the fundie muslim crazies cite anything and everything from Israel to Iraq to Britney spears when they are reciting THEIR list of grievances?

    AlHack, you play straight into the hands of those of Jonz’s ilk when you are dismissive (and you have been thus on two occasions now) about what has been done to harass women, white or otherwise, by the ethnic gangs. Acknowledging that problem and the real problem of the ethnic bullyboys and criminals does not mean condoning the white racism that is undoubtedly present in Oz.

  7. TottenhamLad — on 16th December, 2005 at 4:06 pm  

    Aussies are racist blah blah blah…

    ‘Whites’ are racist blah blah blah…

    The English are racist blah blah blah…

    Come on PPers name a country of the world who’s inhabitants are not racist.

    Just one little country…

  8. Pounce — on 16th December, 2005 at 4:54 pm  

    Ref the problem in Australia.
    While the mass media resort to blame the white.
    (I am a brown Muslim apostate by the way)
    The fact remain that the second generation of Muslims around the world are causing trouble.Be it rape, bombings or jus plain thuggery.
    Without having to understand just why their parents left the motherland in search of a new life. These young thugs who use racism as the reason why they fail to integrate do not represent the vast majority of Islamic immigrants. However and I quote however they should be treated the same as everybody else who are caught up to no good. Making excuses for them only divides the community more and gives them the impression that claiming racism can be used as a get out of jail card.
    Once they get the message that using religion as an excuse to commit no good than they will realise that they have to conform to the laws of the land and not the laws of a book written 1600 years ago.

  9. Gaz — on 16th December, 2005 at 5:26 pm  

    I wouldnt bother waiting for an answer to your question TottenhanLad. The fact is that places like the US, UK and Australia are amongst the least racist places on earth. These countries have absorbed millions of immigrants who are free to practice their religon in peace.
    AL-hacks attitude to white vicitimsof racial violence, (“whine and bleat”) is disgusting. Would he say the same thing to coloured victims of racial violence in the UK? Would he tell Doreen lawrence to stop bleating? All racial crime is despicable.
    I think Pounce is spot on. Australia and the UK need to address how better to integrate 2nd and 3rd generation muslim immigrants. Their poblems are not just down to racism, as these integration issues do not seem to be replicated in Chinese, Jewish or Hindu communities.

  10. Sakshi — on 16th December, 2005 at 6:10 pm  

    Dear Al-hack,

    It seems that you are spreading some racism on the blogosphere as well. It is completely dis-hearting to see people like yourself righting such ‘bull-shit’.

    I wonder if you have even every been to Australia and stayed there long enough to throw your judgement around this way. and even add a bit of humour to it. It’s for sure that you definately don’t practise what you preach.

    But then again, its your site and you have a right to spread whatever crap you want.

    Would just like to add, you write very well..its sad to see waste it this way.

  11. Vikrant — on 16th December, 2005 at 6:47 pm  

    dis-hearting to see people like yourself righting such ‘bull-shit’.
    At last someone sees my point… this is fast turning from an Asian blog to Islamopolgy blog. If you want to write about Asians then stay on the task dude. Lebs are not Asians and all Asians arent Muslims.

  12. Old Pickler — on 16th December, 2005 at 7:27 pm  

    The fact is that places like the US, UK and Australia are amongst the least racist places on earth. These countries have absorbed millions of immigrants who are free to practice their religon in peace.

    Exactly. These places are soooo racist that people from Muslim paradises are queueing up to live there.

    After Al Hack’s trivialisation of the rape of Australian women by Muslim gangs is another example of how race always trumps gender and women’s rights are sacrificed on the altar of multiculturalism. Women have a right to go around scantily clad, drink, wear bikinis at the beach, all the stuff that Islam says is haram. If Muslims don’t like it, they should find a country that is more congenial to their conservative mindset.

  13. Al-Hack — on 16th December, 2005 at 8:24 pm  

    1) I never said the Lebanese are blameless. I stated outright that all criminals, Lebanese or not, should be banged up. If there are creating trouble, lock the fuckers up. Is that too hard to understand? I hate gang violence.

    2) Never said girls are not being harassed. Using the word blameless was wrong, admittedly, because I was thinking about those girls who were involved in the racist attacks seen at the beach.

    That said, all I see is rhetoric along these lines:

    “Oh look, Muslim terrorists all around the world are blowing up people, they do not integrate etc etc, and they are always involved in riots. So they must be to blame. All those innocent white people beating up non-whites and screaming ‘no more Lebs’ are just standing up for white right and the relentless attack of multi-culturalism”

    Give me a fucking break. This is the new face of racism. Blame it on a religious group and then claim that you’re really ain’t racist and got brown/black friends (or spouses).

    Or: “here are some inflammatory verses I have handy from the Qu’ran that show Muslims cannot integrate anyway so this is all their fault anyway.”

    Gav says – AL-hacks attitude to white vicitimsof racial violence, (“whine and bleat”) is disgusting. Would he say the same thing to coloured victims of racial violence in the UK? Would he tell Doreen lawrence to stop bleating? All racial crime is despicable.

    Funny that Gav – haven’t heard you much on the Lebanese victims of white racism. No I would not tell direct victims of racism to stop bleating, but I would tell racism apologists like yo’self who bleat on about white culture coming under attack to stop bleating. A difference, see?

    Alban says – the australians (non aborigines) have made this place into an amazingly well developed first world country.
    What next? The only reason Indians and Pakistanis ain’t dying of hunger is because of British colonialism? You try telling the Aboriginies they should be grateful for “progress”.

    Sakshi says –
    It seems that you are spreading some racism on the blogosphere as well
    You mis-understand me completely.

    When a dominant majority (white Aussies here) do something despicable, a number of well known excuses are trotted out to make themselves feel better.
    1) Play up the bad (“uncivilised”) side of the minority.
    2) Play the victim card – say that the minority are trying to destroy their way of life.
    3) Don’t acknowledge the impact of the media.
    4) Turn the argument into something more acceptable. From a racist attack, it is being made into an issue of Muslims “who cannot integrate anyway”, so its not about race anymore – only about religion.

    Throughout history this happens all the time. Against the original Aboriginies and native Americans (“they’re uncivilised and this is God’s wish anyway”), against waves of immigrants into the west including Jews, blacks, Asians. Even the British colonial project was about “civilising the savages” and underplayed how many Indians were actually killed by the British.

    If we are to be totally honest about racism and opression – see it for what it is. Don’t make the argument into something else. I ain’t gonna stand for Asian racism anymore than white racism.

  14. Gaz — on 16th December, 2005 at 9:02 pm  

    Al-Hack -As wrote clearly in my post, all racial crime is despicable. Where did I or anyone else in this debate say white culture is coming under attack? The issue is violence. There seems to be a very real problem of racially motivated violence, unless you think all the newspaper reports and offical statistics are made up? I am no applogist for racists. Personally I would like to see no mercy given to the purpitrators of any of these horrendous violent crimes.

  15. Al-Hack — on 16th December, 2005 at 9:06 pm  

    I’m glad we agree Gaz. Now gimme some official statistics.

  16. Jay Singh — on 16th December, 2005 at 11:24 pm  

    Nobody disputes that there might be crime problems with Muslim youth is Oz – the question is, do you believe that the way to deal with this problem is to rouse a lynch mob with a hardcore element of romper stomper Nazis to go out on a rampage attacking anyone who looks like a Paki Bastard or whatever the Aussie epithet is for the darkies over there.

    Knowing that if I happened to be walking past at the time I would have been lynched concentrates the mind clearly.

    Is it at least not possible to realise that the grievance of the mob was not well served by going on a racist witch hunt?

    And werent there riots by Aborigines a few years ago in Sydney?

  17. j0nz — on 17th December, 2005 at 1:20 am  

    Funny that Gav – haven’t heard you much on the Lebanese victims of white racism.

    Absolutely. I’ve seen some nasty photos, but I think we need to see any statistics if anyone can get hold of any. Like I said we need balance, and we need some objective rationale.

    Unforutnately we don’t have a picture of the white guy with a knife protruding from his back…

  18. Mount Lebanon — on 17th December, 2005 at 1:23 am  

    Al Hack

    “Throughout history this happens all the time. Against the original Aboriginies and native Americans (”they’re uncivilised and this is God’s wish anyway”), against waves of immigrants into the west including Jews, blacks, Asians. Even the British colonial project was about “civilising the savages” and underplayed how many Indians were actually killed by the British.”

    Curious you don’t mention of the Muslim Jihad that has been going on since the 7th century. As memory serves most of the Middle East was Christian at one time, what happened to them? Oh I forgot Islam was not spread by the sword. Tell me Al Hack ,why do Middle Eastern types like my self who are of the Christian faith loath Islam so much, why do Hindus? Moreover, if events in Australia are about race, how come Christian Arabs are not in lock step with their Muslim neighbors?

  19. alban — on 17th December, 2005 at 1:41 am  

    al hack that isnt the point. if it was centuries ago, maybe what you said might have been relavant. but right now its close to meaningless. who cares if the poor aboriginal was displaced. going on about that doesnt help him in any way. australia now is just too different and indifferent a place to care.

    the real threat to the aborigines right now is being conned by the lure of money and greed. the howard government is taking real steps to buy out the aborigines out of their culture and their traditional ways. now myself i dont care much about either of those things. but if they give up the rights they’ve earned then they might never get them back again.

    you see they got them back by showing that they were unfairly treated and not given a choice, and that they deserve them. but if they voluntarily give them up, then no one can then say, oh they were forced out of it. anyway.

  20. Sakshi — on 17th December, 2005 at 1:47 am  

    Al-Hack,

    No on is saying that Australia is not racist….it is, just like you have racism in France, UK, US, India, etc. But it is compararively much less then you make it out to be.

    I am a Indian and have lived in Sydney for 8 years…did my schooling there. And have myself witnessed the in-decent mode of conduct that (some) Lebanease Muslim Youth follow as a way of life.

    Agree that what happened in Sydney, cannot be excused or forgotten…but why is it that you point your finger only at the dominant majority…just because they are ‘more in number’. Why cant you see the faults with these gangs of Lebanease youths…just because they are few in numbers. Or is it that according to you they will be at fault only when they do somthing of the same magnitude as the Twin Towers and London bombings.

    The result of what happened after some lifeguards were beaten was largely because the local residents of Cronulla had finally had too much of the atrocities forced upon them by these gangs of mid-Eastern youths AND it had to do very less with the fact that these young men belonged to mid-Eastern countries.

    All I am saying is the kindly STOP judging Australians on bases of this one-off incident….first look what is happening in your own country…and then point your fingers at others.

    As a regular reader of PP…I am highly dis-apointed with such views.

  21. shiva — on 17th December, 2005 at 5:42 am  
  22. Sunny — on 17th December, 2005 at 7:59 am  

    if it was centuries ago, maybe what you said might have been relavant. but right now its close to meaningless. who cares if the poor aboriginal was displaced. going on about that doesnt help him in any way. australia now is just too different and indifferent a place to care.

    On this thread, that is possibly the most stupidest statement I’ve read, alban.

  23. Mirax — on 17th December, 2005 at 9:44 am  

    On the subject of the lebanese muslim gangs,(and ‘gangs’ is the key word here, not lebanese nor muslim) the SMH has a good article :

    December 17, 2005

    The violent culture of Gangsta rap has found a natural home on the streets of Sydney, write Andrew Stevenson and Edmund Tadros.

    IT’S a long way from Brooklyn to the streets of Belmore, Punchbowl and Lakemba, but Tupac Shakur would find much to make him welcome. His name is sprayed on walls and fences and scratched on toilet doors. When concrete is poured, the shorthand follows: “2pac 4ever.”

    That a dead singer finds eternal life in the adulation of fans is a curious phenomenon. Elvis is that classic cultural oddity. But Love Me Tender in the hands of Tupac, the rapper murdered in 1996, is full of Glock pistols, cops and bad ass bitches, a culture of rejection and victimhood and an intense claim to the unfettered right of revenge.

    Pride and shame are powerful forces – in rap and in the hearts of Lebanese Australians. For years while their country disappeared down the sinkhole of civil war Lebanese people felt mainly shame or, at best, embarrassment.

    Joseph Wakim, founder of the Australian Arabic Council, says: “Now people are saying, ‘I’m sick of this pressure to feel ashamed of who I am. I actually want to feel proud, to wear it publicly’, and a generation later you’re getting a very ugly manifestation of cultural chauvinism”.

    The extreme behaviour of an extreme minority has created an aura that can be assumed by anyone who follows in their wake. A politics of fear, and demonisation by the media, has given these young men even “larger horns and longer tails” than ever existed, Mr Wakim said.

    Gangsta rap dovetails perfectly in the lives of those who want to instill fear.

    “If I walk around the streets, publicly promoting the fact that I am Lebanese and looking tough, there’s going to be smoke preceding me even before I turn the corner. It’s like a cowboy mentality, and people get an adrenaline rush,” he said.

    While very few Australian men of Lebanese background choose to take advantage of it, a minority lacking pride in anything else revel in the power.

    “The one opportunity, the one forum, that gives them a sense of pride and meaning is to congregate with other people, in the safety of numbers, and pretend they are king of the streets,” Mr Wakim said.

    Radical clerics have exacerbated the power of victimhood, cashing in on the fight against terrorism. Their message is that “You’re the victims; Australia is racist”, suggested Mustapha Kara-Ali, a representative on the Muslim Community Reference Group, the Government’s advisory body.

    “The youth are being trained on this message and so they can easily identify with a black minority in America that were oppressed and victimised by the ‘white man’.”

  24. Mirax — on 17th December, 2005 at 9:46 am  

    second part of article:

    “An isolationist message is often reinforced at home and, once an attitude of rebellion takes root, it can spiral out of control.

    Silma Ihram, Principal of Noor Al Houda Islamic College in Strathfield, believes some parents are really struggling with their children. In Lebanon, family control is maintained under the watchful eyes of the wider community. “Here the kids might be dealing drugs up the street [and no one knows]. It’s a completely different environment.

    “They’re not doing the [Islamic religious] practice and they haven’t got the values, and all they have left is the anger.”

    The idea of some young Australian Lebanese Muslims caught between the mosque and the street has an appealing simplicity. It was also a furphy, said Scott Poynting, co-author of Bin Laden in the Suburbs.

    “They’re not lost at all. They’re actually very skilful at moving between different cultures, at navigating between them and blending them creatively and they do so quite strategically depending on the social context.”

    But the problem had to be dealt with now, Mr Wakim said. “They become like mini-terrorists and the deeper they go, the harder it is to reform them.”

  25. j0nz — on 17th December, 2005 at 1:06 pm  

    Shiva;

    That intriguing article has, I think, been mentioned 3 times before on other threads. It will however, continue to be woefully ignored by Al-Hack!

  26. El Cid — on 17th December, 2005 at 2:43 pm  

    Infamy, infamy, they’ve all got it in infamy.
    This victimhood thing — I sense that the underlying frustration among many of the Anglo-Saxon and European contributors (can i say that instead of just “white?”) is that they are fed up with always being cast as the baddies. They have a point.
    I think it is undeniable that all countries/ethnic groups are to some degree racist. You would also be hard-pressed to disprove that the UK and Australia are among the most welcoming, progressive and multicultural societies in the world (although we seem to have regressed since 9/11, Bali, 11-M, 7/7).
    But you would also fail to convince me that Al-Hack, let alone PP, is an apologist for politicised militant Islam. He is not and most of what he said made sense (even if his ref to “official statistics” and some of his answers, as Mirax pointed out, were a bit glib).
    Just listen to yourselves, one after another, piling in. It’s like watching a virtual mob. Put your egos away man.

  27. j0nz — on 17th December, 2005 at 6:06 pm  

    Evening El Cid

    Quite good analysis there. On your latter point, I’ve read the comments and can’t see where anyone says Al-Hack / PP apologises for miltiant Islam? I for one certainly don’t think so.

  28. Don — on 17th December, 2005 at 7:37 pm  

    El Cid,

    Of course PP is not a home to miilitant islam or its apologists, far from it. But frankly Al Hack’s tone throughout was hectoring, jeering and at times almost gloating. Sneering at rape victims and making cracks about ‘mongels’ is inevitably going to get people’s backs up.

  29. pecan — on 18th December, 2005 at 2:50 pm  

    the comment about not caring about displaced aborigines is offensive. i was a part of the “80=20 Tidec” group who dealt with reconciliatory issues regarding the aboriginal population in Australia and New Zealand, meeting aboriginal people who had been snatched from their famillies ,and placed far away from them so that they would be better “integrated” was so heartbreaking, i heard these stories from the people who lived through it, so in answer to that comment, PEOPLE DO CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THE ABORIGINAL PEOPLE.

  30. Tellis — on 10th January, 2006 at 3:21 am  

    People are we in denial the Problem has spread all over the world like a cancer Islamic victimhood and their apologists,Muslims are being pushed out of the Islamic created hell holes and in to every western country as soon as Muslims move to a suburb they drive the rest of the population out and build a mosque and no one that loves their life would dare criticise this barbaric cult that is funded by the Arab oil and fantsy of Islamic world rule,Theo VanGogh dared to make a film on Islamic abuse on women and is now DEAD.

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