On the Islam Channel ‘ummah event’ last week


by Sunny
11th December, 2005 at 5:03 am    

Last week the Islam Channel organised a “global unity” event at Excel where Muslims came in their thousands. The BBC covered it here. But was it really how it was made out to be? What was it really like inside? And were reports in the Jewish press justified? One of our (Muslim) readers writes in with comments on the event.

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I made the mistake of going to the Islam Channel event but it was an interesting experience. Some 23,000 Muslims gathered at one event because the organisers said they should unite. Why, for how long and for what motive? Noone knew. The just came at Excel.

For a second when I entered the domain, I felt as if HuT’s dream had come true. Men in beards, women in veils (there were trousers and clean shaves as well), everywhere. I could almost hear HuT uttering, “Mubarek, we have taken over Excel brother, now just focus on the rest of the UK.” Hehe!

I even saw some Arabic people having a stall of plastic swords and kiddy guns. Ummmmm! I am not sure an exactly a great PR exercise!

There were some reports in the the Jewish press following the event, for example.

Ok, now I never was a great fan of the Islamic rally, but this again is a very biased view. The thing is, I could hardly call it was call to jihad, in fact people did condemn Al-Qaeda and the likes. However, getting Qazi Hussain from Pakistan was probably not a very wise decision.

I had the “good (mis) fortune” of hearing Qazi off air. The man had no idea where was he talking, to who he was talking and what the hell was he supposed to say.

One of the organiser’s desperately tried explaining him seconds before the show, “Qazi sahib, just think you are talking to a gathering of 25,000, the way you do in Pakistan” OUCH! Big mistake! in Pakistan, the people who gather at Jamaat-e-Islami’s party are labourers who cannot even stamp their name let alone sign it, and usually are paid Rs 100 (£1) for coming to these rallies.

You can definitely expect people to hail illiterate opinions of Qazi saheb there, but I was think hardly anyone was actually listening to what the Qazi said. Simmilarly, as it was a huge crowd, people were mostly running in and out, reading book, eating pizza, looking after their kiddies, laughing, talking and in the background, these leaders were just shouting like on a loud radio. So calling it a rally of zealous jihadis just ready to pounce on west as the feature suggests is a bit far-fetched.

But what I do not understand what was the “motive” behind gathering so many people? I know we have been talking about having a gathering of uniting Muslims against terror in the name of Islam, yet, the event established nothing of that sort.

And by inviting politicians at a so called social event, I think, Islam channel blundered. It sort of did give the impression that Muslims are being opressed and they need to unite. What about the call to contemplate and look deep within and see where you are wrong?

That is the difference between a scholar and a politician. For instance, Dr Zakir Naik who spent more time on the stage and got maximum attention of the crowd, said nothing objectionable for anyone. But asking people like Imran Khan, George Galloway and Qazi Hussain at a peace event was completely unnecessary.

Imran Khan is a truthful person, but what has he got to do with Islam? He is not exactly a religion preacher, same way Galloway?

The only thing Islamic about Qazi Hussain is the name of his party (Jamat-e-Islami). I say the way these mullahs have taken Pakistan down, noone else has, yes, not even the military. They are the ones who brought corruption in the mosques to start with the day they introduced politics and that too global politics in their lectures during Friday prayers.

Qazi Hussain’s party is the same party which as run by Maulana Maududi pre-partition and which worked on hatred against “infidels” to unite Muslims to gain political gain of establishing their own personal interests. Dr Israr Ahmed a religious scholar joined left Jamat-e-Islami only at this conflict, he did not want to be a part of a political religion.

However, I do think it was probably just a money making exercise and did not serve much purpose. Islam Channel just cashed in on the Muslim Ummah feeling and that’s all!
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  1. g — on 11th December, 2005 at 7:09 am  

    I believe that the reports in the jeweish media were called for. I can understand what it is to have a whole bunch of moslems trying to kill you.

    I’m a hindu and in india it is not different. The faith is facing an onslaught in terms of islam and christianity and what not and unlike isreal there is no real structure to save it .

    Moslems in india are preached all sorts of anti national propaganda and they cheer, told to inc the population so they can over run the country etc (I know this first hand).

    Chuches in india only deride hindus in their sermons, esp the evangelicl ones, but at time the RCC join in the ranting…

    As a hindu forced to liev with these people as neighbours after you hear their ramblings at places of faith is hard… esp when u saw ther cheer a sloud as they could..

    enjoyed ur blog.
    have a nice day
    regards
    g

  2. Dynesh — on 11th December, 2005 at 8:48 am  

    g, it sounds as if you’ve been fed as much propoganda as you claim muslims have been. Ok, there is a reasonable amount of evidence to suggest that muslims may be having more children. Funnily enough, so are hindus. The hindu growth rate is not as low as you or the RSS thinks it is. Now, as a hindu myself, I would not like to do see my religion die out as the RSS claims it will, but that doesnt mean that anything can be done in the guise of protecting religion. The RSS thinks that hindus will be overwhelmed in 80 years or so. I might have believed it once, but the truth is that that statement is just not true.

    As for preaching intolerance, frankly what do you think the VHP does? I understand that people can be worried by things coming out of churches and mosques and yes, they do sometimes preach against hinduism. I’m not suggesting they are blameless. In India, minority communities have an embedded fear of hindus and resort to fearmongering. Hindus in turn have an embedded fear that they may become a minority one day and resort to fearmongering. We have to draw the line somewhere.

  3. Jezza — on 11th December, 2005 at 11:13 am  

    Why would the jewish media feel the need to go . . Muslim media never go around to jewish events LOL I bet you lot didnt tell anyone there though – cheeky .

    What did you expect ? It’s called Islam channel ! – so only religious one’s go, thus a lot likely to see beards and burka’s. And is it really a Unity event ? No – just a PR stunt.

    Why was Imran Khan there ? Well the event needs the publicity Dur !

    “What about the call to contemplate and look deep within and see where you are wrong? ” – yes yes . . one step at a time !

  4. Muhammad Shaka Zulu Khalifa — on 11th December, 2005 at 11:50 am  

    Asalam Aleikum,

    I recently endured 30 minutes on the filthy kaafir-infested subway to visit my cousin’s apartment in Queens. When I entered the apartment, I was astonished that my cousin would sink so low as to have a television, a haram device, in his home! Worse yet, he was allowing his kids to watch it! ASTAGHFIRULLAAH!
    Instantly I shielded my eyes from the blasphemous images (only Allaah can create, and to mimic creation with images is to commit shirk) by putting my Qur’an in front of my face. As I stood there, kitaab pressed against my nose, I heard a strange squeaky sort of noise. I lowered the book to see where the sound was coming from, and it was emanating from that cursed kufr box.
    It has already been established that those who own televisions will be tormented in the grave, and angels wont visit their home, et cetera. I’m not here to discuss the evils of television, as anyone who ponders Allaah’s creation knows that it is evil. I am instead here to discuss the show my cousin was allowing his little children to watch: Blues Clues.
    Many of you may allow your children to watch this evil show. This message is for you liberal self-hating Muslims that allow your kids to watch the kufr box: if you are going to put your kids on the road to apostasy by putting them in front of Shaytaan’s video machine, at least shield their eyes from the wicked show “Blues Clues.” Show them an Ahmed Deedat video instead!
    First, at the start of the show, the human star (“Steve,” an obvious non-believer, and possibly even a Zionist!) sings a song that includes the words “and we can do… ANYTHING… that we wanna do…” ASTAGHFIRULLAAH! We cannot do anything we want! We can only do what Allaah, subhana wa t’ala, allows and permits us to do! Can we eat pork if we want to? ASTAGHFIRULLAAH! Of course we cannot, less we want to taste the fires of Jahannam!
    Furthermore, the real star of the show is a dog named “Blue.” In case you self-hating munafiqeen forgot, dogs are considered dirty in Islam! An angel wont visit your home if you have a dog in it, and an angel wont visit your home if you have a picture in it, thus by extension angels will avoid your home if you have images of dogs in it (like a haram Blues Clues video!). Blues Clues encourages kids to like dogs. Furthermore, the little mutt speaks! It is more than a dog, but actually a dog possessed by a jinn, or even a jinn in the form of a dog! This animal is friends with the Zionist Mushrik “Steve.”
    Furthermore, there is the issue of finding clues, and using the Western kufr system called “logic.” Why are the Muslims so anxious to mimic the kuffaar? Obviously because they are raised on haram shows like “Blues Clues,” where a crafty Yahood promotes the virtues of kufr systems created by the Western infidel like “logic.” Nowhere in the Qur’an or ahaadeeth can you find the words “deduction,” “induction,” or “abduction,” thus “logic” is an anti-Islamic system!
    Yet further, has anyone noticed that when “Steve” says thank you, he touches his chin? He is doing sign language! Why use sign language? Why not speak in Arabic or Urdu (God’s languages) instead? Is it too much for this Zionist baby-killer to say “shukraan” and keep his hands by his sides? Obviously this is a racist and Islamophobic program, and it is thus haram to watch it! Furthermore, the use of sign language is to further encourage deafness, so the muttaqeen will not hear the call to prayer! Fiendish Zionist animals are planning, but Allaah, subhana wa t’ala, is the best of planners!
    Also, has anyone seen the Blues Clues holiday special? It actually taught children to tolerate the disgusting pagan festivals of the kuffaar! First there was Christmas, a “holiday” that celebrates the alleged birth of the “god” (astaghfirullah!) and “son of god” (astaghfirullah again!) of the Christian religion. Maybe you self-hating pseudo-Muslims want your children being influenced by the sinful celebrations of the Nasara Tri-theist Mushrikeen. I for one know that God hs no son. He neither begets nor was He begotten!
    Then there was a piece on Channukah, proving that “Steve” is a Zionist. Then they had a portion on Kwanza. Let it be known that Kwanza is not an official Islamic holiday. Yes, some Muslims celebrate this “holiday” (which originates with the animist infidels that the Mujahideen, insha’llaah, will convert, eradicating these customs), but only pseudo-Muslims do so! As we all know, the sort of “Muslims” that engage in such customs are buffoons, cretins and witless crayfish who only go to the masjid to steal other people’s shoes.
    Also, anyone notice that when female guests are on, they don’t cover? Why is that? Yet another sign of racism and Islamophobia, not to mention rabid sexual misconduct! Petition your television station to digitally add hijaabs to all female guests, or else boycott the show (the digital enhancement is easy now that Steven Spielberg has given up Zionism and has embraced Islam, TAKBIR!).
    I could go on, but I think you have enough reasons right here why you should not allow your kids to watch “Blues Clues.” Ultimately we must accept the fact that any Muslim who continues to show “Blues Clues” videos to his children is an apostate, and is waging war against Allaah.

  5. Faiza in Pakistan — on 11th December, 2005 at 12:29 pm  

    g,

    It is views like yours that give oxygen to two-nation theory.

  6. Siddharth — on 11th December, 2005 at 1:42 pm  

    There really needs to be more reality TV and game shows on this channel.

  7. Muhammad Shaka Zulu Khalifa — on 11th December, 2005 at 2:08 pm  

    G,

    Thank you! Thank you! Your ignorance and hatred has done more than I can say to reinforce my love and faith in Allah!! I am a new Muslim and was starting to letting my faith slip away. But by reading your post, I know how important it is that I pray, r ad my Quran, and not become like you people. You helped me more than you know. . Allahu Akbar,!!! Allahu Akbar!!! , I only pray that Allah deals with you as he wills. Tha k you. Allahu Akbar–May Allah grant me the wisdom to avoid the likes of you people. By Allah’s grace I was guided to this site to know what to avoid. By Allah’s grace I have found just how childish the kafir can be. I was at first offended, but then thou ht alhumdillah, My God has guided me here, to see what I have to fear in associating with the kafir. Your kafir ways have given me new zeal for worshipping Allah, yet you in your stupidity and ignorance don’t know it. Reading this site made me so freaking happy that I’m now crying to know that I am one of the few that Allah has guided on the straight path. I am one of the few that Allah has guided on the straight path. I am one of the few who wants to get closer to Allah. Allahu Akbar. And thank you, whose ignorance works against you, and you don’t even know it.

  8. sonia — on 11th December, 2005 at 2:39 pm  

    oh phooey. for goodness sake. can we leave the superiority stuff out please. live and let live a little.

    sounds like a scary event i dont think id want so many ‘religious looking people’ breathing down my neck. I do find it funny when people talk about ‘global unity’ and think that’s an excuse for clicquey-ness. me thinks they’re not really displaying any cosmopolitanism, much like these other religious groups..

  9. sonia — on 11th December, 2005 at 2:42 pm  

    dynesh speaks plenty of sense.

  10. Jezza — on 11th December, 2005 at 2:59 pm  

    “Muhammad Shaka Zulu Khalifa ” U is so funny , im pissing me self (well nearly ), ever wanted to do standup comedy ?

  11. Muhamad Shaka Zulu Khalifa — on 11th December, 2005 at 3:27 pm  

    Astaghfirullah

    OK, listen to me, pig! Any insult against our master, the Prophet of Allah, is absolute blasphemy.You bring disgrace on the humanity when you come up with this childis and purile insult to my religon, why can you respect people. Correct your ways or you will burn eternally in the fire of hell, prepare to face Allah in the hearafter,

    Moreover,(also) You are a very unintelligent idiot. You can make jokes all day, but if you are so sure of your blasphemy, how come you haven’t offered any evidence? Bring your evidence if you are truthful. Stupid dummy. You criticize Islaam, but you do so with nothing. You’re just acting like a clown. If you dibelieve, why not give a reason why you disbelieve? Can you disprove the Quraan? Can you disprove the prophethood of Mohamed? Can you disprove the existence of Allah, who created you and I so that we may worship Him? Are you a Jew, or have a “tinge” of Jewish ancestry, if you are i I can see where your hatred is coming from. You really do have a Zionist anti-Islam feeling in your gut, and your rotting heart, Be ashamed. Submit to Allah before it is too late. Think what may happen to you tommorow, you don’t know. You could be hit by a truck, and then you would really regret. Please, for your own sake, and not anyone elses, embrace Islaam before it is too late!

  12. David T — on 11th December, 2005 at 3:39 pm  

    genius

  13. Sunny — on 11th December, 2005 at 3:43 pm  

    G – there is too much false info and propaganda in India. When I was travelling around the country a few years ago, I met some hardcore Shiv Sena activists who believed that ’786′, the number many Muslims use, was the year that the Mughals invaded India and thats why Indian Muslims use it… haha!

    The point is, stop falling for the propaganda. I talked to loads of Indian Muslims in the north and the south after the Gujarat riots and although they were angry at what happened in Gujarat, they did not for a minute think they were part of any other country and fully intended to stay in India and carry on with life.

    There are religious nutters on all sides.. I meet them all the time. The trick is to learn to ignore their propaganda.

  14. Dynesh — on 11th December, 2005 at 5:02 pm  

    Good point sunny. There are religious nutters everywhere. But I wonder, atleast these guys are straight up. Would it be worse to have new labour types who are apologists for politically correct behaviour? The closest we have to such PC obsessive people is the congress party. They are often the other extreme to right wing nutcase-ism, bending over backward to get the minority vote. Frankly, I look left and I look right and i dont like what I see.

  15. squared — on 11th December, 2005 at 5:02 pm  

    OK, listen to me, pig!

    Interesting choice of insult.

  16. Mirax — on 11th December, 2005 at 5:20 pm  

    Sunny
    If you are still around, you may want to link to this report about spreading racial riots in sydney : http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/race-riots-spread-to-suburbs/2005/12/11/1134235951313.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap2

    It sounds really ugly and may be a harbinger of what the future holds for ALL those who want to play identity politics. It involves people of muslim/middle-eastern origin BUT not in the way many, say at Harry’s Place, would expect.

  17. Rohin — on 11th December, 2005 at 5:28 pm  

    Man, this Muhamad Shaka Zulu Khalifa is a classic. I’m sure he’s just some dude taking the proverbial (Zulu?!) but he’s great. Bikhair and him should hook up for a sitcom. They’d be a married couple with overbearing parents-in-law (Iqbal Sacranie and Yasmin Alibhai Brown maybe?) and we’ll call it:

    Everybody Loves Muslims.

    Interesting tip Mirax. I’ve always maintained that Australia has a deeply racist side.

  18. j0nz — on 11th December, 2005 at 5:28 pm  

    Muhamad Shaka Zulu Khalifa

    There is no god, fool! If there was I wouldn’t be interested in the same god you profess to follow with all your supremacist crap!

    If there was a God he’d be really nice, wise & infinitley intelligent. Not angry, he wouldn’t me over to get roasted over a fire because I didn’t read some book!

    What year is it anyway? It’s astonishing people like yourself can sit in front of something so advanced, known as ‘a computer’.

  19. Muhamad Shaka Zulu Khalifa — on 11th December, 2005 at 5:32 pm  

    Astarfullah!! Can you believe that our women are behaving like this.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3208417.stm

  20. j0nz — on 11th December, 2005 at 5:33 pm  

    Lol Rohin, Muhamad Shaka Zulu Khalifa & Bikhair in sitcom! hehe. The mind boggles.

    Great! More race riots… Don’t they know the Xbox 360 is out?

  21. Rohin — on 11th December, 2005 at 5:39 pm  

    “Don’t they know the Xbox 360 is out?”

    Maybe the Arab dude got it first and the aussies reacted the only way convicts know how.

    Oh okay I’m kidding, I’m kidding.

    But there’s some seriousness behind my jibe. I am friends with plenty of Aussies and some tell me quite honestly how racism is quite open in Oz, but others are sure it isn’t and say that “those fucking Abos cause all the crime”. But they aren’t aware that thinking that isn’t quite right.

  22. Mirax — on 11th December, 2005 at 5:40 pm  

    Not interested jonz? In race riots where innocent muslims are getting their asses whupped and the superiority of western culture is self-evident?

    shaka zulu is an obvious send up btw but go on, have a a little civilisational clash anyway.

  23. Mirax — on 11th December, 2005 at 5:48 pm  

    And The Mob sang Waltzing Matilda

    from the SMH :

    “A BARE-CHESTED youth in Quiksilver boardshorts tore the headscarf off the girl’s head as she slithered down the Cronulla dune seeking safety on the beach from a thousand-strong baying mob.

    Up on the road, Marcus “Carcass” Butcher, 28, a builder from Penrith, wearing workboots, war-camouflage shorts and black singlet bearing the words “Mahommid was a camel f—ing faggot” raised both arms to the sky. “F— off, Leb,” he cried victoriously.

    It was one last act of cowardly violence on a sad and shameful day that began as a beach party celebrating a kind of perverted nationalism that was gatecrashed by racism.”

  24. Mike — on 11th December, 2005 at 5:51 pm  

    I must appoligize that this is off(way off) topic but I wrote an article the other night after having a big row with my big brother. Its quite pertinant to what is happening in Iraq, so it has to do with Mosloms. Here it is.

    I had a conversation with my older brother(idiot, red-state Republican-type guy) the other night and we got talking about the Iraq war(it was wrong) and one thing that kept poping up in the discussion(about the Iraq war) was how the US(and Britain) defeated Nazi Germany and look how Germany turned out. So that’s thought to be an example we could follow and a reason for patience there. I told him he was a numbskull! This is a whole different situation ok. Germany has Germans (white Europeans) who knew what we were talking about when we tried to rebuild their country, whereas Iraq is a country of people who are of the Arab persuasion. You just can’t compare the two okay! Not in terms of cultural traditions or how violent they are or anything like that. I say we must respect the proud Arabic cultural traditions of countries which have Arabs peoples in them, not try to defend ourselves against those traditions. No matter how difficult those traditions may be for us to understand, or endure. Only that way lies peace if you ask me. Haven’t you also noticed that stupid righties just don’t seem to “get” what we’re saying about Iraqis being Arabs??

    P.S. Not to mention Moslims.

  25. Rohin — on 11th December, 2005 at 6:02 pm  

    Mirax, that hardly sounds like neutral news reporting.

    Mike, the key thing differentiating the two situations is that Germany was one of the most developed countries in the world before the two wars. It was rich and in many ways, prosperous. Iraq was none of these. It was a Middle Eastern despotic backwater. Blair thought he was being Churchill and quelling the evil Nazi/Islamic threat. But to compare the Nazi threat to that of Saddam is, at best, risible.

  26. BevanKieran — on 11th December, 2005 at 6:06 pm  

    Anecdotally, my sister lives in Sydney and states that racism, (verbal abuse) is much worse than in London. Remember Pauline Hanson and One Nation.

    Rohin, the hostility towards aborigines is widespread. Stories of aborigines wasting taxpayers money. For example farmers wrecking brand new tractors just to get new ones are frequent.

    Comment about two violent tribes in the race riot situation.
    http://www.smh.com.au/news/paul-sheehan/nasty-reality-surfs-in-as-ugly-tribes-collide/2005/12/11/1134235944844.html?page=2

    article on media treatment of lebanese youth, referencing distorted coverage of lebanese and anglo-saxon gangs.
    http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=2552

  27. j0nz — on 11th December, 2005 at 6:11 pm  

    Not interested jonz? In race riots where innocent muslims are getting their asses whupped and the superiority of western culture is self-evident?

    Eh?

    Anyway this is a race hate mob and despicable. I wouldn’t mind if they directed at people who want to wage death & destruction on the West but these just look like normal people who happen to have brown skin. Fucking dumb arses.

    I’m not taking the heat of these pricks, but I would love to know what provoked this. Apparently locals have been saying for a while ‘foreigners’ have been intimidating locals. If this is the case, why aren’t the police involved? Too scared to question the actions of foreigners? I don’t know.

    What I do know is the full force of the law should come down on those commiting crimes. Apparently they’ve arrested 12 so far… Sounds like not enough to me..

  28. BevanKieran — on 11th December, 2005 at 6:16 pm  

    L.A : Cripps, Bloods, Rolling 60′s, Venice Shoreline Cripps, Culver City Locos.

    Birmingham : The Redheads,Burger Bar Boys and Johnson Crew.

    Sydney:The Bra Boys. Ooh scary.

  29. j0nz — on 11th December, 2005 at 6:18 pm  

    Thanks BevanKieran. Once again looks like the irresonsible media to blame, whipping up racial tensions. Well it sells papers doesn’t it?

  30. Mirax — on 11th December, 2005 at 6:31 pm  

    I wouldn’t mind if they directed at people who want to wage death & destruction on the West but these just look like normal people who happen to have brown skin

    Exactly why I directed those comments at you Jonz! Methinks that you and many of your ilk are too stupid to tell the difference. Moreover it is revealing that you think mob violence is justified against certain people.

    Rohin, please read more at the SMH , hardly a rabble-rousing tabloid. You want ‘neutral’ news reporting? Please grow up.

  31. j0nz — on 11th December, 2005 at 6:38 pm  

    The reports of women being abused for being immodestly dressed, or travelling alone, or drinking alcohol, are too numerous to be dismissed.

    There is no doubt that many regular users of Cronulla beach feel, as do many Anglo-Australians (particularly women) who come in regular contact with large numbers of Middle Eastern migrants, that Australia’s easy-going casual culture is under attack from young Middle Eastern males.

    The reports of women being abused for being immodestly dressed, or travelling alone, or drinking alcohol, are too numerous to be dismissed.

    Weak response

    THE authorities have for too long ignored such incidents of anti-social behaviour instead of adopting a zero-tolerance position toward those who claim they live by different cultural standards.

    The State Government’s policy of placate and appease made the police look ill-prepared and undecided in Redfern and in Macquarie Fields. Yesterday they appeared to be overwhelmed by the task they faced.

    It will take more than a dose of politically correct counselling to restore harmony to Cronulla beach this summer.

    Australia Telegraph

  32. j0nz — on 11th December, 2005 at 6:40 pm  

    Mirax go fourth and multiply. I”ve made a post at my blog if you want to attack me then do so there.

  33. Mirax — on 11th December, 2005 at 6:54 pm  

    “go fourth and multiply”

    Gladly and any offspring of mine will be taught to think and spell a lot better than you have.
    Visit your bland, boring blog? Er, no thanks.

  34. j0nz — on 11th December, 2005 at 7:03 pm  

    Sorry, it’s a euphemism. It means fuck off!

    Anyway what’s your point Mirax? You are saying all Aussies are racist? You don’t appear to be addressing the root causes. I wonder why that is…

  35. j0nz — on 11th December, 2005 at 7:07 pm  

    Muslisms riot in France = not their fault, they are just reacting to their environment

    Whites riot in Australia = all their fault… Not reacting to the enviornment.

    Jeez. And I’m the racist?!

  36. j0nz — on 11th December, 2005 at 7:09 pm  

    I suggest the root cause

    Sunny has gone away on holiday

  37. Mike — on 11th December, 2005 at 7:14 pm  

    Jonz,

    Whoa!!!!! R, U rasist or what!!!!!!

  38. Mike — on 11th December, 2005 at 7:16 pm  

    By the way, while typing that previous post I was just idly thinking about how wrong the Iraq war was. I mean, think about it. It was just so wrong! Sometimes I just lose sight of how wrong the Iraq war was.

  39. j0nz — on 11th December, 2005 at 7:19 pm  

    Yeah i’ve just joined the Neo-Nazi Liberation Popular Front for eliminating all darkies from the earth… That’s why I post here.

  40. Rohin — on 11th December, 2005 at 7:20 pm  

    Easy fellas.

    Mirax, I didn’t realise it was immature to ask for neutral reporting. That extract you posted was clearly inflammatory, as are other things on the SMH. I agree it’s not a rabble-rousing tabloid, but it’s sloppy journalism. Their article’s are poorly written and they chuck in meaningless embellishments.

    I’m going to wait until I’ve heard more about this before I comment, I suggest others do the same, instead of trying to speculate on the exact cause etc.

  41. Mrs Khan — on 12th December, 2005 at 2:01 am  

    Islam Channel Event

    Its amazing to see how people can develop useless meanings from no where. The Islam Channel Global Peace and Unity Event took place as an entertaining event for all Muslims. As you may understand most of them do not go to night clubs, pubs or have fun with different partners etc. In such a situation Islam channel has done a wonderful job by offering a platform where Muslim families can come and enjoy. As the event was catered for every one so ofcourse there were celebs such as Imran Khan. God! 25000 people, and not even a glass breaks. No man teases a women. Men respect women. No fights and the event finishes with such a peace. Wow some thing for others to worry about.

    The Global Peace and Unity Event by Islam Channel- What a sucess

  42. Iain — on 12th December, 2005 at 11:53 am  

    Mrs Khan,

    Yeah the Nuremburg rallies were lovely family events just like this one.

    I think they must be sneaking in the last racist ‘kill em all’ Islamist rallies before the new incitement to religious hatred bill comes in.

  43. Siddharth — on 12th December, 2005 at 12:10 pm  

    Iain
    You’re absolutely right in stereotyping any grouping of Muslims as an Islamist rally akin to the Nuermberg Nazi hate fest. Its amazing how much restraint you have shown by not calling them for what they ware: Al-Qaeda terror cell operatives. Keep us all informed from LGF-land, won’t you.

  44. sonia — on 12th December, 2005 at 12:20 pm  

    it makes me laugh when people talk about ‘superiority’ of culture. i think people mean ‘imagined’ superiority of culture..surely – as far as i can see – we’re pretty much the same when it comes to this. ANd what is culture anyway – too often people refer to some surface ‘customs’ . i mean when you go to univeristy and study sociology, psychology, social psychology, you study homo sapiens, not oh this is western psychology, eastern psychology..

  45. Iain — on 12th December, 2005 at 12:53 pm  

    Siddhart,

    Just because I see what is actually happening in the Islamist world you have to jump up to defend… What? exactly?

    Oh yeah, the right to be racist (non-violently WTF??!) or the racist killers? Just like these people are and justify and support the actions of. I don’t think for one minute that those attending this unlawful and immoral assembly represent the UK mulims population.

    But I’ll keep on saying what I see.

    Yes Al Qeada are racist killers. These stupid people by attending this event have just given their support (probably financial support too) to racist killers. Whether they have one name or another they can be easily identified by what they say, what they do and what they want to do

    I never venture to LGF (why bother?) but MEMRI and the ADL are invaluable. And ‘Jewishcomment’ is fair comment in this instance.

  46. Natasha Ali — on 12th December, 2005 at 12:55 pm  

    Mrs Khan: As you may understand most of them do not go to night clubs, pubs or have fun with different partners etc.

    It’s as if you are all doing us a “favour” by not going to pub and all…….and you just need to COMPENSATE for what you have deprived yourself in life…..Good that you follow your religion but does it have to be so assertive?
    The reason you don’t do it, is because God told you so! Why do you need to bargain with him into finding other ways of “fun”?

  47. Col. Mustafa — on 12th December, 2005 at 1:42 pm  

    Bottom line, there was no alcohol at this muslim thing.
    Im sorry, but that has to change.
    I know of several pakistani/bengali muslim families that allow the alcohol to flow during thier parties or gatherings.

    You may think nooo, that not the problem its the attitude.

    Well your fucking wrong, its the booze.
    Muslims need booze.
    They need to open thier minds abit more, hundreds of years of not drinking wine or beer created a different path in human evolution.
    Before that humans had got used to getting lashed regularly, even as a form of currency.
    Then to suddenly go cold turkey fucked the situation up completely.
    Theres no sense of humour anymore.

    “The Islam Channel Global Peace and Unity Event took place as an entertaining event for all Muslims. As you may understand most of them do not go to night clubs, pubs or have fun with different partners etc.”

    Thats right, our fun day out included us all standing around huddled up, discussing, guess what, thats right RELIGION.

  48. Siddharth — on 12th December, 2005 at 1:47 pm  

    Just because I see what is actually happening in the Islamist world you have to jump up to defend… What? exactly?

    Iain:

    I’m simply defending your right to universally stereotype Muslims to be Islamist just like the one referred to in the original post. The right to “see” terrorists when you see a gathering of Muslims, as in this dangerous terrorist rally in the original post. To recognise al-Qaeda in every Muslim.
    Yours is a noble and necessary cause. Fight the good fight!

  49. Col. Mustafa — on 12th December, 2005 at 2:02 pm  

    Yehhh, religions so cool.

    I know, i know, i love islam.

    Other religions are so stupid, its like why do they even exist?

    Seriously i dont know, they shouldn’t of even bothered having a religion. Islam is clearly the true one, i mean its so obvious.

    hahahahaha

    yes yes, hahahahaha.

    Have you seen whats goin on in iraq, its just terrible.

    Why don’t those bastards just leave our country alone?

    Your from iraq?

    No, Pakistan. But were all the same.

    Ofcourse, they should stop killing our people and destroying our religion, if they just left then islam would be pure again.

    We could all live in peace then, and in an islamic world.

    I dream of an islamic world one day, where we can all be equal.

    The other day i saw a remarkable video, a lion in a zoo cleaned himself like we do in islam.

    WOOOOWWWWW

    Then the lion roared over and over again like he was shouting ALLLAH.
    It was amazing, ive never seen anything like it. I think the lion had the flu but its still obvious proof of islam being the true religion.

    It just shows you how insignificant we really are, when lions roar out ALLAH for no apparent reason.

    So what are you upto next week?

    Well the quran does state that jesus returns near the day of judgement, and seeing as though were pretty near as it is, im just gonna wait for him.

    Cool, cool, im looking forward to seeing the Dajjal.

    Whose that again?

    You know, the one eyed monster that lives in a cave waiting for the right time to strike terror on earth and the true believers.

    Oh himmmm, yeh yeh cant wait for him.

    I believe him and jesus will have a pay per view event held for them at some time in the future.
    Lets hope the Rock doesn’t want in too, you know what hes like.

    I’d hate to be a non-believer in this day and age, hehe.

    Non – believers are so thick, they just don’t know whats in store for them.

  50. Rohin — on 12th December, 2005 at 2:04 pm  

    “Muslims need booze.”

    Colonel Mustafa, 2005.

    Mrs Khan is a bit nutty with her synopsis, as Mustafa says – standing in the cold discussing religion hardly sounds like a fun day out for the family. But then again Iain you’re being unfair by knee-jerk comparisons to Nuremburg!

    However, there’s no way on Earth I can be fooled in to believing it was an innocent lovely yum yum fun fun daisies and candyfloss day when I saw loads of people carrying HuT banners. Bah!

  51. Siddharth — on 12th December, 2005 at 2:35 pm  

    Rohin: It might have not been “fun fun daisies and candyfloss” as you say, but to liken any arbitrary group of Muslims, even a group of HT high jinksing it, as a Nuremberg Rally is to, if anything, undermine the significance of the Nuremberg Rally.

  52. Rohin — on 12th December, 2005 at 2:38 pm  

    Well I did say that Siddharth; that comparisons to Nuremburg are misplaced and incorrect.

  53. Col. Mustafa — on 12th December, 2005 at 2:43 pm  

    I didn’t bother saying it, as you guys did.
    hehe

  54. Siddharth — on 12th December, 2005 at 2:46 pm  

    Rohin: Yes I think you are right. ;-)

  55. David T — on 12th December, 2005 at 3:02 pm  

    I want to hear more about this lion.

  56. Siddharth — on 12th December, 2005 at 3:26 pm  

    Yeah, the remarkable self-cleaning lion from the wonderfully well-observed post (49) by the Colonel. Perhaps there should be two additional characters on Little Britain called Mo and Shireen who have conversations about the impending signs of the End of the World. Roll over Vicky Pollard.

  57. BevanKieran — on 12th December, 2005 at 4:35 pm  

    “Dr Zakir Naik who spent more time on the stage and got maximum attention of the crowd, said nothing objectionable for anyone”

    Dr Zakir Naik. Hmmm……..

    http://www.drzakirnaik.com/pages/qanda/index.php

  58. Vikrant — on 12th December, 2005 at 5:10 pm  

    Zakir Naik… haha.. hes a bigot allright. I’m forced to watch his shit on Q Tv at the Bangladeshi cornershop where i work part time. Once he went on about how Muslim women should wear burqas in order to avoid being mistaken for a mushrik! Whoa gr8 reason to wear a burqa.

  59. Mokum — on 12th December, 2005 at 6:55 pm  

    Surely a talking lion is a sign of the end times. Oh dear.

    When someone opens a pub called The Rock and Isa, I hope the Colonel will show his usual good prophetic grace and warn us all again. Time is running out.

    Also, if Uncleji spots a lion in the back of the Glassy Junction, he really should tell us. That’s a very serious sign.

  60. El Cid — on 12th December, 2005 at 9:00 pm  

    I don’t think Iain can see the wood for the trees.

  61. Muhamad Shaka Zulu Khalifa — on 13th December, 2005 at 12:02 pm  

    Asalam Aleikum, brothers and sisters

    Auntie Khan, the Islam Channel Event sounded like a true success, Mashallah, ALLAH IS ALL-KNOWING, ALL-POWERFUL, THE CREATOR. One day, Inshallah, I would like to speak in front of 25.000 believers and tell them how I came to Islam.

    Auntie, here is an article I wrote last night. Feel free to copy it and distrubute it around.(to people)

    100% Certifiable Proof of Islam’s Truth
    Dear readers, There is no evidence for disbelief in the verifiable truth of Islam in any form- and yet- until know I hid this from you even though I doubted so much that unbelief was untrue. Please forgive me!
    The kufar and zanadiq are craven beasts, who have not a shred of evidence to discount the truthfullness of the verasity of Prophet Muhammad. For so long they have tried to fool others, by saying that we (Muslims) had not found “There is no God” written in a spider’s web, or counteracted and joked that they (kuffar( had found Nietzsche’s face in a tortilla. No longer. We forgot that there was such a thing as “the Truth.” Allah has made us remember, though we were adverse.
    Allah in his mercy would not let us deceive mankind any longer, which is why I am to introduce a passage which, to say the least, has “rocked my world.”
    Allah takes his servants out of darkness and into light- I was browsing along, when what should suddenly appear but the Truth and Meaning of Life that I had long been awaiting. The Entire Universe testifies to the Truth of the Qur’an and the Prophet Muhammad: http://www.bensys.mcmail.com/Islam.htm
    >

    What more truth do you want??????

  62. Iain — on 13th December, 2005 at 3:05 pm  

    El Cid,

    Funny how when it is ‘Muslims’ being racist sons of bitches the apologies come trotting out. Funny how anti-semitism is dismissed by the same people who bleat endlessly on about ‘the white folks’ generalising muslims and being anti-semitic. Funny how the other Islamic conference that weekend stated that this sort of thing (muslim racism) must stop within Islam and that muslims face the facts that they are at least mostly to blame for their own problems including ‘issues’ in the ME. But no its far easier to blame whitey or the Jews.

    Heres the bits you ignored in your self-righteous nonsense.

    ‘I don’t think for one minute that those attending this unlawful and immoral assembly represent the UK mulims population. ‘ post 45

    I have never suggested that all those attending this ‘event’ where card-carrying nazis but that the Nuremburg rallies were also ‘family events’. That these rallies- in Nuremburg- were organised by people who irrationally hated Jews, homos, non-believers, etc, etc.

    Clearly there can be no equivalence based on mere similiaries of outlook, practice, and aims. Can there?

    What more do you need the fancy dress too?

    What was not on the agenda at the political rally for a media channel (huh?) it as telling about the outlook being justified and encouraged as what was.

    Islamism and not Islam is the enemy of all concerned.

  63. Don — on 13th December, 2005 at 3:05 pm  

    Works for me. Where do I sign up?

  64. Don — on 13th December, 2005 at 3:12 pm  

    Um, the above referred to #61, not the Nuremburg Rallies.

  65. El Cid — on 13th December, 2005 at 6:29 pm  

    Iain,
    I still don’t think that you can see the wood for the trees.
    However, you make a point that ought not to be dismissed lightly:

    “…the Nuremburg rallies were also ‘family events’”

    I imagine they probably were. My mum used to go to summer camps in Francoist Spain. She loved them and these days is still quite a Spanish patriot. But in some respects it was a bit like Hitler’s youth.

    Shaka Hislop,
    I’m still not sure whether you’re an idiot or a superb windup. But if you DO mean what you say you wouldn’t know what “proof” is if it came and smacked you in the face.

  66. Sir Toppenhat — on 13th December, 2005 at 8:47 pm  

    I was just watching the riots in down under on the Beeb. Do muslims have a dislike of cars the way they do of dogs? They seem to destroy an awful lot of them. Maybe this is what is really bothering them.

  67. Bikhair — on 13th December, 2005 at 9:05 pm  

    Sir Toppenhat,

    “Do muslims have a dislike of cars the way they do of dogs?”

    Dogs are najis in Islam meaning that they are unclean. However they can be kept for security and hunting. Muslims are supposed to treat animals with some dignity. Remember that hadith of the Isrealite whore who was given paradise because she gave a dog water from her shoe? Ocourse you dont stupid.

  68. Siddharth — on 14th December, 2005 at 12:16 am  

    Sir Toppenhat:

    Do you want to be made responsible for the pissed up yobbos who rioted on Corulla Beach on the basis that they are probably Protestants? Or would you rather empathise with them because you can relate to them being White trash?

  69. Bikhair — on 14th December, 2005 at 3:24 am  

    Siddharth,

    Drunken white trash.

  70. Muhamad Shaka Zulu Khalifa — on 14th December, 2005 at 4:09 am  

    Assalam Alaikum Bikhair

    Its nice to see a sister who no’s what is najis. But there is other things also so beware.

    Other things that are najis(unclean)

    1. Urine
    2.Faeces(poo)
    3.Seman(sperm)(must clean up after coitus interruptus, see summary below.)
    4.Dead Body
    5.Blood
    6.Dog(yes even Golden Retreivers)
    7.Pig
    8.Kafir(Toppenhat)
    9.Alcoholic liquors
    10.The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat(unclean things)

    Summary on coitus interruptus.
    Free-Wife:(ie, Bikhair) Right to have children and to sexual pleasure from male ejaculation important; must give permission for coitus interruptus.
    Slave-Wife: No right to children or to sexual pleasure from male ejaculation; no permission needed.

    ALLAH IS ALL-KNOWING, ALL-POWERFUL, THE CREATOR!!!!!

  71. Sir Toppenhat — on 14th December, 2005 at 4:43 am  

    Chronology, as I understand it:

    1. Sydney beaches have been scene of weekend violence as “Middle Eastern youths” from Western suburbs have recently assaulted beachgoers and attacked lifeguards.

    2. Local lowbrow white “Chavs,” “Yobbos,” what-have-you, organized surprise attack via cell phones. Waited for “ME youths” to arrive at beach, and had at ‘em with bats, etc.

    3. Enraged “ME youths” have retaliated with window smashing, vandalism in white neighborhoods.
    Lebanese Muslim gangs have been aggressively targeting beach-goers at the Cronulla beach for quite some time. (Yelling whore at the women in bikinis, beating and threatening the men if they protest — even harassing little girls — the usual RoP stuff.) The police have done nothing. It boiled over last week when some life guards were attacked and beaten by the Ropers. A huge gang of Ozzie yobs organized a confrontation to “take back the beach.” It turned violent.

    The following is how the Norwegians deal with the similar muslim problems from a proper multicultural perspective.

    Apparently, the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65 percent of rapes of Norwegian women were performed by “non-Western” immigrants – a category that, in Norway, consists mostly of Muslims. The article quoted a professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo (note: her name is Unni Wikan) as saying that “Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes” because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. The professor’s conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to adjust to Western norms, but the exact opposite: “Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it.”
    So, following the proper PC path demonstrated by Norway, all the Australians need to to resolve the problem is cover up their women.
    One waits with baited breath for the first leftie in Australia to propose a Norwegian solution to the problem.

  72. Siddharth — on 14th December, 2005 at 8:34 am  

    Toppe: I think you need to understand that, thanks to first-hand accounts on blogs, your version of (2) sounds like you’re an apologist for racist chavs. But we who have read your courageous accounts of whites taking on 500+ niggas and living to tell all, already knew that.

  73. El Cid — on 14th December, 2005 at 9:25 am  

    Siddharth: what’s with the “white trash”?
    How would you like it if I spoke of “paki trash” or “moslem scum” or “sober burka mingers” (that last one is for Bikhair, who has yet to explain why she wears a full veil)?

  74. Siddharth — on 14th December, 2005 at 10:03 am  

    El Cid: there are times when nothing but a good racial epithet will do. Such as when discussing race wars with Toppenhat the Brownshirt.
    Incidentally, why is ‘White Trash’ unacceptable whereas ‘chav’ is?

  75. Col. Mustafa — on 14th December, 2005 at 12:12 pm  

    “So, following the proper PC path demonstrated by Norway, all the Australians need to to resolve the problem is cover up their women.”

    I have a feeling if a man can rape a woman once, he can do it again regardless of what there wearing.
    Also if a certain man is capable of rape, then obviously hes having trouble controlling those sexual urges.
    Kinda like a male cat going around trying to hump anything in site, just going from one place to another in the hope that it fits somewhere.
    In that situation you castrate the males and also lock them up until they understand what no means.
    But to tell women to be more modest and cover up just because a bunch of sex deprived arsemuppets have arrived is more of a temporary measure to make women aware, not something that will solve the problem.

    Do you reckon muslims all over the world are somehow all rebelling because they see others on the news do it too?
    From what ive heard and read the lebanese in Aus still think racism flows and that they are subjected to it.
    The Aussie men think that the Lebanese are trying to/ and do rape thier women.
    So theres nothing new there, typical immigrant/locals relationship, but then riots break out.

    It seems as though muslims all over want to prove that they can’t evolve into thier current socieites, and not only that but they want to change it.
    What does scantily clad australian women have to do with lebanese men and women trying to make a living in Australia?
    Why do muslims feel as though its thier problem, and they have to change it, if not were gonna rape you.
    Thats not really the best way to go in a foreign land you would think.
    But i have a feeling its not really about the women so much but the fact that the lebanese just aren’t fitting in.
    Aussies aren’t exactly the best at understanding them, nor are the lebanese at understanding the Aussies.
    hmmm, wonder what happens next.

  76. El Cid — on 14th December, 2005 at 2:08 pm  

    I tell you why Siddarth: because I find it offensive and if you alienate people like me — who are educated, interested in other people’s cultures (and their women)and in dialogue — then we’re all fucked.

    Just as you might find Paki offensive, even though some might argue it’s only short for Pakistani, I find constant references to white trash annoying. It’s like me referring to cheating Arabs — as opposed to just Arabs, etc. It’s so fucking obvious I’m suprised you asked.

    Chav is not entirely acceptable but I dont mind it, coz. it’s not a whites-only term. What you call rudeboy I call Asian chav.

  77. Siddharth — on 14th December, 2005 at 2:30 pm  

    El Cid: Well my intention was certainly not to alienate, except maybe Toppenhater. So apologies to you if I did.

    On some rare occassions, racial epithets are useful and efficacious. It all depends on the context.

    Its also obvious that different terms are loaded in different ways to different people. I find the word chav to mean the same thing as Trash – and applicable to all races. I do not find either term as offensive as universally offensive terms like nigger or paki. Since a chav or Trash applies to a subset of a race the existence of which, as you know, exists for all races and communities and peoples and not exclusive to any one.

    As for rudeboy – isn’t that a derivative of skinhead and orginally a term used for Jamaican gang members and later in reference to a particular flavour of West Indian ska music from the 60s and early 70s. Later revived in the early 80s by bands like the Specials etc. A precursor to Gangsta, if you like.

  78. El Cid — on 14th December, 2005 at 2:32 pm  

    Um, Yes that is what I would consider a rude boy too. I think it’s been used elsewhere on this site by other people in a different way.
    I guess we’re friends again. ; )

  79. Siddharth — on 14th December, 2005 at 2:35 pm  

    thank god for that. i’ve heard you’re a baaad enemy to have.

  80. Sir Toppenhat — on 14th December, 2005 at 7:32 pm  

    Siddharth,

    “But we who have read your courageous accounts of whites taking on 500+ niggas and living to tell all, already knew that. ”

    What are you going on about? As for calling me a brownshirt I happen to be married to a Pakistani, so although my sympathies don’t lie with the Respect Party or official multicultism I hardly consider myself a white supremacist. I believe Aussie’s are truly fed up to the teeth with Leb Muslim gangs terrorizing the public. If this had anything to do with white racism, you would have seen Vietnamese and other Asians attacked ass well by these white mobs.

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