IT’S ABOUT TIME THE POLICE PROVED TO THE LEEDS FAMILIES THEIR SON’S WERE EVEN AT KING’S CROSS ON THE MORNING OF JULY 7TH .

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=2028#2028&sid=994cf4335f620c227eb789b92d498e6b

In an unprecedented show of unity, thousands of Muslims from across the UK will march from Parliament Square to Hyde Park tomorrow [Saturday 10th December 2005] to demonstrate against the oppressive anti-terror laws being introduced by the UK government.

these marches are always on saturdays, you’ll notice, because that prevents the most committed counter-demonstrators (ie, sabbath-observant jews) from staging rival marches. funny, that.

you will further notice that the only jewish people that are ever given a platform in these kangaroo debates (if that’s the correct adjective) are those myopic glory hounds “jews for justice for palestinians” (as if the rest of us weren’t in favour of this, rather like not being “anti-war” apparently means you are somehow “pro-war”). now, i know quite a few of these JFJFP characters personally and while most of them are perfectly nice people, they’re not what you’d call reasonable. rather than provide a principled workable alternative (like, say, the new israel fund, or rabbis for human rights, or anything that goes on in the dialogue world) they prefer to restrict themselves to trying to make out everything is israel’s fault and excuse everything that is done against it. they’re not quite “neturei karta” (those loony chasids that call for the destruction of israel and are always on any anti-israel platform they can find but they are incredibly dogmatic, angry people. they are always writing incredibly long letters to the jewish press (which for some reason never gets bored of printing them) and frankly they really don’t do themselves any favours. it is highly understandable that MPAC, MAB and other members of the everyone-hates-us crowd feel that they are “safe” debating partners. you don’t see them inviting anybody like michael gove or that one guy at the israeli embassy who actually speaks english (don’t get me started how totally crap the israelis are at PR). frankly, my rabbi could make mincemeat of them – and from a principled, reasonable, humanitarian and moral PoV – although, so could my auntie, who has no such claim to fame. being the only likud voter on a kibbutz within range of iranian-funded hizbollah katyushas and in range of some very loud muezzins has given her a certain attitude, even for an israeli. hehe.

b’shalom

bananabrain

It doesn’t matter how many muslims in diffferent countries are standing up against the policies of al-qaeda or other extremist groups, the fact is that there are muslims doing it.

It has to start somewhere, and its good to see this happen as these muslims will gain more and more support as they aren’t scared to talk out.

Very happy to hear about indonesia as it shows that these people really give a toss about human life rather that just muslim life.

Just a quickie-post on a story that may single-handedly have restored my dwindling faith in humanity. Via Harry’s Place, we learn that an Indonesian Islamic youth organisation has pledged to guard churches against possible terrorist attack during Chr…

Pigs in swill together. If only they’d stop harassing fellow Muslims and stick to hating and justifying killing kaffirs, Yusuf Smith wouldnt be able to contain his erection.

Juan Golblado: Obaidul Haq was sensible enough not to hide behind the “Not Muslims” claim, even if he has more reason than anyone to claim the opposite. You see, the last bomb detonated by the bicycle bomber in Netrakona, Bangladesh was Hindu. A twist in the tale that is not going to prevent Bangladeshis in working against Terrorism as such.

El Cid / Juan – I’m using very British Asian slang when using the term ‘rudeboys’. It simply refers to wannabe macho men / gangsters who possess little brain power and constantly talk about being powerful when in reality they’re mummy’s boys who live meekly at home.

recant-To disavow (something previously written or said) irrevocably and usually formally. Nothing to do with religious belief (especially in the context used).

What did Yusuf state!
“I have never believed that MPAC are a racist or malicious organisation.”

So correction should be (statement or non-belief to be recanted)

Sunny, I apologise for this conversation as it makes crap reading. If Siddartha and I can come to a consensus soon, then feel free to delete related posts.

What chief cleric ul Haq said was “These bombers are enemies of Islam”. That makes me feel like he is on the right side.

El Cid was asking about a transatlantic translation for “rudeboys”. Sartorially, think about Los Pachucos
Politically, think about these guys. Though Sunny may have had in mind the originals. Sunny can tell you more about what he meant — if he’s still around. And may he have good relaxing holidays if not!

Some of the latest threats by that terrorist org in Bangladesh extend to women who do not veil when they are walking around. That group does want an Islamic republic in BD while the country is happy being secular. Knowing how fiesty Bangladeshi women are, I doubt their threats will go down well.

Unless you mean he should recant his alleged support of MPACuk. In which case, the word recant would not be my first choice.

Which one is it?

The equivalence of David Duke/MPACuk is wrong but I was answering a question from Siddartha who excels in disjointed corollaries.

I am not prepared to give slack to an organisation that describes itself as a “predominantly, web-based group” in the brochure, manages to swipe a few articles of the David Duke website, and then attributes this to tiredness and poor funding.

You did not convey Asghar’s hysterical tone and use of bloody imagery in your review. I find your interpretation of MPACuk’s methods interesting. Using the same analogy, that directing fear of the consequences of inaction for one group translates as some kind of hatred for them, and little for the “other”. i.e The B.N.P actually hate white Britons, and their hatred towards non-whites seems mild.

Asghar loathes the “passive (too spiritual, religous and not political enough)” Muslim while Nick Griffin loathes the Briton who does not put his colour first. Both are trying to change that.

While you found Alan Hart’s comment to you rude (which it was), I found Askghar’s acknowledgement of myself and Mikey , as being part of the Zionist lobby, with phrases such as “they are deadly” and “we will always be under attack” a little scary, explaining our hasty departure at the end.

What is the “Zionist establishment”.

“Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it could be your neck on the block. Remember Bosnia.” His further use of phrases such as “they are killing your mother and sister” (presumably “Zionists” in Palestine) hardly lends credence to your perception of a toned down speech. When the web of the “Zionist” lobby includes British-Fijians, MPACUK must really believe that there is a danger to Muslims in the U.K.

Well, I found it “toned down” compared to the tone of some of the mailshots they send out (as I said before, often unsolicited) to their Muslim readers, which are much more vitriolic towards Muslims. I’ve written about their attitude on so many occasions on IJB and the sentiments they express about their fellow Muslims make what they say about Jews seem mild. What they really think about Jews I don’t know, but they seem careful to distinguish Jews generally from the Zionist establishment, which is why I don’t think they are racist.

As for David Duke, his roots are in the KKK and he has more recently moved into “I’m not racist, I just support rights for whites” type territory. You can’t compare a group of juvenile Muslim activists with him or with Hindutva-type bigots.

Or you can just believe what you want to believe and ignore any facts that get in the way of a good story. I would call you an eeejet but I have a feeling that you know exactly what you are doing. By whatever means necessary?
Luckily for the rest of us, the tides may turn but the truth does indeed prevail.

I won’t be badgering Yusuf any further. It was a daft request anyway. The accusation was made because Yusuf explicitly stated MPACUK were not a racist organisation in spite of overwhelming evidence.
If a white Protestant, or brown Hindu, or Asian Buddhist were to do the same and denied that David Duke/respective bigots were racist, anti-semite etc then of course I would do the same.

In fact, when there are non-Islamist extremists (I guess by now that you think I have a problem with extremists of just one particular religion/race-Harry’s Place deals by and large with far green and far red issues, so thats where the bias comes from) having a debate, in and around London, then tell me and I will gladly confront them.