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		<title>By: kELvi</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1976#comment-118703</link>
		<dc:creator>kELvi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny,

When David Horowitz asks why the numberless Womens&#039; Studies Departments in the US are busy assailing white patriarchy but aren&#039;t discussing Ayaan Hirsi Ali&#039;s Infidel or Taslima Nasrin&#039;s Dwikhandito, 
it&#039;s not McCarthy&#039;ism, it&#039;s being politically incorrect.  It&#039;s tough to be an equal opportunity basher of ideology.  Look at Chris Hitchens, who is an outspoken atheist and among the few journalists to rip the facade off the fake of Calcutta Agnes Boiaxhu.  But his brother Pete Hitchens is a nominal Christian and unlike his brother is opposed to the war in Iraq!  In fact Chris Hitchens&#039;s fellow members of the Four Horsemen, Dawkins, Dennet, and Sam Harris are all anti-war but equally contemptuous of all religion.  So we take them as they come.  Opinions and then facts and theories are important and are to be liked or rejected.  People?  I am not so sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny,</p>
<p>When David Horowitz asks why the numberless Womens&#8217; Studies Departments in the US are busy assailing white patriarchy but aren&#8217;t discussing Ayaan Hirsi Ali&#8217;s Infidel or Taslima Nasrin&#8217;s Dwikhandito,<br />
it&#8217;s not McCarthy&#8217;ism, it&#8217;s being politically incorrect.  It&#8217;s tough to be an equal opportunity basher of ideology.  Look at Chris Hitchens, who is an outspoken atheist and among the few journalists to rip the facade off the fake of Calcutta Agnes Boiaxhu.  But his brother Pete Hitchens is a nominal Christian and unlike his brother is opposed to the war in Iraq!  In fact Chris Hitchens&#8217;s fellow members of the Four Horsemen, Dawkins, Dennet, and Sam Harris are all anti-war but equally contemptuous of all religion.  So we take them as they come.  Opinions and then facts and theories are important and are to be liked or rejected.  People?  I am not so sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1976#comment-118634</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As smarmy as Horowitzâ€™s apologia for slavery is, his account of the some of the whacky professors of the US academy is commendable.&lt;/i&gt;

Its called MacCarthyism. He&#039;s a whack-job on the scale as Ann Coulter. When Obama becomes Prez, these idiots will jizz themselves at having to look up to a black man for leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As smarmy as Horowitzâ€™s apologia for slavery is, his account of the some of the whacky professors of the US academy is commendable.</i></p>
<p>Its called MacCarthyism. He&#8217;s a whack-job on the scale as Ann Coulter. When Obama becomes Prez, these idiots will jizz themselves at having to look up to a black man for leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: kELvi</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1976#comment-118629</link>
		<dc:creator>kELvi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 23:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny,

&lt;i&gt;David Horiowitz is a whack-job himself. Period.&lt;/i&gt;  That&#039;s your way of coping with unpalatable reality.  As smarmy as Horowitz&#039;s apologia for slavery is, his account of the some of the whacky professors of the US academy is commendable.  Take for instance deep intellects such as miriam cooke (Duke, apologist for shariah), or Amiri Baraka, master of incoherent verse.  There isn&#039;t much to choose as nutcases go between a Jonah Goldberg and a Norman Finkelstein or a Bettina Apthekar and an Anne Coulter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny,</p>
<p><i>David Horiowitz is a whack-job himself. Period.</i>  That&#8217;s your way of coping with unpalatable reality.  As smarmy as Horowitz&#8217;s apologia for slavery is, his account of the some of the whacky professors of the US academy is commendable.  Take for instance deep intellects such as miriam cooke (Duke, apologist for shariah), or Amiri Baraka, master of incoherent verse.  There isn&#8217;t much to choose as nutcases go between a Jonah Goldberg and a Norman Finkelstein or a Bettina Apthekar and an Anne Coulter.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1976#comment-118619</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The US university scene can be bizzare, simply because there are so many of them, set in wayout places, and richly endowed. David Horowitzâ€™s survey of university whackjobs is a quick and concise report of the many tenured incompetents.&lt;/i&gt;

David Horiowitz is a whack-job himself. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The US university scene can be bizzare, simply because there are so many of them, set in wayout places, and richly endowed. David Horowitzâ€™s survey of university whackjobs is a quick and concise report of the many tenured incompetents.</i></p>
<p>David Horiowitz is a whack-job himself. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Amrit</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1976#comment-118591</link>
		<dc:creator>Amrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 16:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;At the heart of Britainâ€™s spiral of intellectual, moral, social and political disintegration (yes, I am indeed understating the case)&#039;


Is she being funny here?

I started having &lt;i&gt;Sammy and Rosie&lt;/i&gt;_style visions of the UK... but it didn&#039;t seem that apocalyptic to me when I was over at Easter. Sorry, Mel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;At the heart of Britainâ€™s spiral of intellectual, moral, social and political disintegration (yes, I am indeed understating the case)&#8217;</p>
<p>Is she being funny here?</p>
<p>I started having <i>Sammy and Rosie</i>_style visions of the UK&#8230; but it didn&#8217;t seem that apocalyptic to me when I was over at Easter. Sorry, Mel!</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 16:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;...talk radio and Fox News, and the evangelical churches.&#039;  Yeah, that would improve the discourse no end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;&#8230;talk radio and Fox News, and the evangelical churches.&#8217;  Yeah, that would improve the discourse no end.</p>
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		<title>By: Bartholomew</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1976#comment-118574</link>
		<dc:creator>Bartholomew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 14:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were some US-inspired right-wing outfits kicking around in the 1980s, providing homes for Young Conservatives and assorted types. Jack Abramoff set up a UK branch of his International Freedom Foundation (using South African cash); the Western Goals Institute had a UK off-shoot that actually lived on (moving further rightwards) for a few years after the US parent went under during Irangate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were some US-inspired right-wing outfits kicking around in the 1980s, providing homes for Young Conservatives and assorted types. Jack Abramoff set up a UK branch of his International Freedom Foundation (using South African cash); the Western Goals Institute had a UK off-shoot that actually lived on (moving further rightwards) for a few years after the US parent went under during Irangate.</p>
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		<title>By: fug</title>
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		<dc:creator>fug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it doesnt matter. they know the public ability to forget and their powerlessness against the media. they have their secured channel of whispers. everytime a think tank report or journalistic article is linked to or discussed, that quarters power increases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it doesnt matter. they know the public ability to forget and their powerlessness against the media. they have their secured channel of whispers. everytime a think tank report or journalistic article is linked to or discussed, that quarters power increases.</p>
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		<title>By: soru</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1976#comment-118565</link>
		<dc:creator>soru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very likely true that something like &lt;a&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; could, given sufficient funding, &#039;work&#039; in a UK context. The US did, after all, used to be much more liberal on social issues than the UK. We don&#039;t have so much of the &#039;religious right&#039;, but that will probably only simplify the required message, allow leaving out the workarounds they have to put in for actual Biblical doctrine.

I do suspect that over here, it would collapse earlier than it has in the US, as the UK has rather less of the kind of economic and military power that let the US temporarily get away with that kind of Gramscian indifference to objective reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very likely true that something like <a>this</a> could, given sufficient funding, &#8216;work&#8217; in a UK context. The US did, after all, used to be much more liberal on social issues than the UK. We don&#8217;t have so much of the &#8216;religious right&#8217;, but that will probably only simplify the required message, allow leaving out the workarounds they have to put in for actual Biblical doctrine.</p>
<p>I do suspect that over here, it would collapse earlier than it has in the US, as the UK has rather less of the kind of economic and military power that let the US temporarily get away with that kind of Gramscian indifference to objective reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Avi Cohen</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1976#comment-118564</link>
		<dc:creator>Avi Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also wonedr what she and them at Harry&#039; Place think about the latest reports of:

Mistreatment of the Qur&#039;an which they denied turning out to be largely true.

Bush admitting that the intelligence on Iraq was incorrect.

Where does that leave Mel and Harry&#039;s Place&#039;s moralisitic arguments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also wonedr what she and them at Harry&#8217; Place think about the latest reports of:</p>
<p>Mistreatment of the Qur&#8217;an which they denied turning out to be largely true.</p>
<p>Bush admitting that the intelligence on Iraq was incorrect.</p>
<p>Where does that leave Mel and Harry&#8217;s Place&#8217;s moralisitic arguments!</p>
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		<title>By: Avi Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avi Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She wants this because it allows her and her ilk to then control the flow of policy as happens in the USA.

Lobby Groups are a disaster for justice and social wellbeing. They allow money to be used to purchase influence.

Phillips is too sily to realise that as your polar opposite lobby gets organised and has more money then it will at some point kick your arse.

Phillips is advocating this from a position she sees of power where her viewpoint has power. I&#039;d liek to see her in a a decade when this influence may be on the wane.

Next she&#039;ll be asking for Evnagelicals to come over ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She wants this because it allows her and her ilk to then control the flow of policy as happens in the USA.</p>
<p>Lobby Groups are a disaster for justice and social wellbeing. They allow money to be used to purchase influence.</p>
<p>Phillips is too sily to realise that as your polar opposite lobby gets organised and has more money then it will at some point kick your arse.</p>
<p>Phillips is advocating this from a position she sees of power where her viewpoint has power. I&#8217;d liek to see her in a a decade when this influence may be on the wane.</p>
<p>Next she&#8217;ll be asking for Evnagelicals to come over <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: kELvi</title>
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		<dc:creator>kELvi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melanie gets quite a lot right, excepting for the creationism part, where she is out of her depth.  But were she to look a little more closely at the target of her ire, that nebulous thing called the Left, she would find not only left loons at the universities, but also people like Pat Condell, an equal opportunity religion basher, Richard Dawkins, and Chris Hitchens.  The US university scene can be bizzare, simply because there are so many of them, set in wayout places, and richly endowed.  David Horowitz&#039;s survey of university whackjobs is a quick and concise report of the many tenured incompetents.  The UK too has its fair share of such nutcases it seems, with the current rumblings about an Israel divestment and unofficial ban on Israeli professors, among the professoriat.  These are all clear cases of doctrine/dogma gone berserk.  It takes a great deal of stupidity to bar professors from the only real universities in the region - in Israel - and give a free reign instead to fire belching extremists from cesspools of obscurantism in  the rest of the region.  The right wing think-tanks in the US are another thing entirely (which is why I call them septic tanks).  As Paul Krugman points out it doesn&#039;t take much investment to set up a economics/culture study center.  Which is why a few millions here and there will buy you enough numbskulls to set up a Cato Foundation, or an alexis De Tocqueville Institute.  The entire lot of them, Heritage Foundation, Scaife foundation, or American enterprise Institute, Club for Growth, have a ****-poor record of quality work, and barely a veneer of intellectual caliber.  But given the substantially better informed media and reading public in the UK, a Jonah Goldberg or Anne Coulter wouldn&#039;t last even a few weeks in print.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melanie gets quite a lot right, excepting for the creationism part, where she is out of her depth.  But were she to look a little more closely at the target of her ire, that nebulous thing called the Left, she would find not only left loons at the universities, but also people like Pat Condell, an equal opportunity religion basher, Richard Dawkins, and Chris Hitchens.  The US university scene can be bizzare, simply because there are so many of them, set in wayout places, and richly endowed.  David Horowitz&#8217;s survey of university whackjobs is a quick and concise report of the many tenured incompetents.  The UK too has its fair share of such nutcases it seems, with the current rumblings about an Israel divestment and unofficial ban on Israeli professors, among the professoriat.  These are all clear cases of doctrine/dogma gone berserk.  It takes a great deal of stupidity to bar professors from the only real universities in the region &#8211; in Israel &#8211; and give a free reign instead to fire belching extremists from cesspools of obscurantism in  the rest of the region.  The right wing think-tanks in the US are another thing entirely (which is why I call them septic tanks).  As Paul Krugman points out it doesn&#8217;t take much investment to set up a economics/culture study center.  Which is why a few millions here and there will buy you enough numbskulls to set up a Cato Foundation, or an alexis De Tocqueville Institute.  The entire lot of them, Heritage Foundation, Scaife foundation, or American enterprise Institute, Club for Growth, have a ****-poor record of quality work, and barely a veneer of intellectual caliber.  But given the substantially better informed media and reading public in the UK, a Jonah Goldberg or Anne Coulter wouldn&#8217;t last even a few weeks in print.</p>
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		<title>By: fug</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 11:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well i think what she says will probably end up happening as the tories regain power in the coming times.

your own virtual ghetto is part of that happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well i think what she says will probably end up happening as the tories regain power in the coming times.</p>
<p>your own virtual ghetto is part of that happening.</p>
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		<title>By: billericaydicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>billericaydicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 10:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is interesting as a little ideological war is just about to break out over exactly the issue that Phillips is addressing.

There was an interesting article in the East London Advertiser about housing which is being discussed on the BNP site www.bnp.org.uk.  One of the think tanks that Phillips is talking about, the Young Foundation, is mentioned by the BNP.

What a lot of liberal critics of the foundation are saying is that it is simply an agency of New Labour and while seemingly independent turns out documents which endorse New Labour policies and having looked at the foundation&#039;s site and talked to people in the East End I think that the accusations are true.

It is interesting that Phillips mentions Gramsci as he is also a favourite of Nick Griffin. Gramsci believes that revolutions or radical changes in society can only be achieved when the culture of a society has been changed so that radical change is acceptable.

Phillips is the stalking horse of the radical right and unfortunately for the left they have left themselves wide open for the kind of attack that the neo cons have made so successfully in America. The intellectual running there has been neo con for years and an Obama victory would not change it. We are about to see the same thing here.

When it happens all of the quangos that will find themselves wound up will have only themselves to blame.  Watch this space and do check out the BNP articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is interesting as a little ideological war is just about to break out over exactly the issue that Phillips is addressing.</p>
<p>There was an interesting article in the East London Advertiser about housing which is being discussed on the BNP site <a href="http://www.bnp.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.bnp.org.uk</a>.  One of the think tanks that Phillips is talking about, the Young Foundation, is mentioned by the BNP.</p>
<p>What a lot of liberal critics of the foundation are saying is that it is simply an agency of New Labour and while seemingly independent turns out documents which endorse New Labour policies and having looked at the foundation&#8217;s site and talked to people in the East End I think that the accusations are true.</p>
<p>It is interesting that Phillips mentions Gramsci as he is also a favourite of Nick Griffin. Gramsci believes that revolutions or radical changes in society can only be achieved when the culture of a society has been changed so that radical change is acceptable.</p>
<p>Phillips is the stalking horse of the radical right and unfortunately for the left they have left themselves wide open for the kind of attack that the neo cons have made so successfully in America. The intellectual running there has been neo con for years and an Obama victory would not change it. We are about to see the same thing here.</p>
<p>When it happens all of the quangos that will find themselves wound up will have only themselves to blame.  Watch this space and do check out the BNP articles.</p>
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		<title>By: MaidMarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaidMarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 09:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;enforced through bullying, intimidation, character assassination and the whole bag of tricks used to stifle an open society.&#039;

That is probably the best description of MP&#039;s methods one could find.

I feel as though Jordan has just told society that it needs to put its chest away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;enforced through bullying, intimidation, character assassination and the whole bag of tricks used to stifle an open society.&#8217;</p>
<p>That is probably the best description of MP&#8217;s methods one could find.</p>
<p>I feel as though Jordan has just told society that it needs to put its chest away.</p>
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Letters From A Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 09:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;intellectual stranglehold of the universities&quot;

Eh? Surely the only people with a genuine strangehold are Gordon Brown&#039;s inner circle at Number 10?

http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;intellectual stranglehold of the universities&#8221;</p>
<p>Eh? Surely the only people with a genuine strangehold are Gordon Brown&#8217;s inner circle at Number 10?</p>
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