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	<title>Comments on: Darling, a cross is just so passÃ©, I want a crystal!</title>
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		<title>By: bananabrain</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/189#comment-6504</link>
		<dc:creator>bananabrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you are going to accept the red crescent then there are no reasonable grounds for discriminating against other symbols, even if the original cross wasn&#039;t really to symbolise christianity.

the fact is that MDA applied to join the ICRC in 1949 - that&#039;s way before the six-day war, or the occupation, or any of the usual grounds that are brought up to single out israel for condemnations. back then it was the days of the full-blown arab boycott, when the stated position was &quot;no compromise, no recognition&quot;.

the ICRC, for reasons best known to itself (hah!) decided to cosy up to the outraged arabs. as it happened, it also didn&#039;t appreciate it when investigations began to take place into its extensive role in helping nazi fugitives escape to south america. and it&#039;s a swiss organisation - the same country which took all those nazi deposits of assets stolen from holocaust victims and then denied they existed.

hmmmm.

so, all in all, the ICRC has always had a kind of difficult relationship with israel.

it&#039;s nice to see that it can all be sorted out without hysterics half a century later.

not.

b&#039;shalom

bananabrain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you are going to accept the red crescent then there are no reasonable grounds for discriminating against other symbols, even if the original cross wasn&#8217;t really to symbolise christianity.</p>
<p>the fact is that MDA applied to join the ICRC in 1949 &#8211; that&#8217;s way before the six-day war, or the occupation, or any of the usual grounds that are brought up to single out israel for condemnations. back then it was the days of the full-blown arab boycott, when the stated position was &#8220;no compromise, no recognition&#8221;.</p>
<p>the ICRC, for reasons best known to itself (hah!) decided to cosy up to the outraged arabs. as it happened, it also didn&#8217;t appreciate it when investigations began to take place into its extensive role in helping nazi fugitives escape to south america. and it&#8217;s a swiss organisation &#8211; the same country which took all those nazi deposits of assets stolen from holocaust victims and then denied they existed.</p>
<p>hmmmm.</p>
<p>so, all in all, the ICRC has always had a kind of difficult relationship with israel.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s nice to see that it can all be sorted out without hysterics half a century later.</p>
<p>not.</p>
<p>b&#8217;shalom</p>
<p>bananabrain</p>
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		<title>By: Mirax</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/189#comment-6261</link>
		<dc:creator>Mirax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>come to think of it, ! is a very expressive symbol for the organisation formerly known as the Red Cross/Crescent.It can be made to look like a drop of blood is dripping off ...and i am sure it will aid everyone in a warzone to vocalise some strong feelings. No? Why doesn&#039;t anyone ask me to solve piffling issues like this!!! No damn need for a diplomative offensive by our man Masood, and the expense of a 192-nation meeting!!!
The International RED !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>come to think of it, ! is a very expressive symbol for the organisation formerly known as the Red Cross/Crescent.It can be made to look like a drop of blood is dripping off &#8230;and i am sure it will aid everyone in a warzone to vocalise some strong feelings. No? Why doesn&#8217;t anyone ask me to solve piffling issues like this!!! No damn need for a diplomative offensive by our man Masood, and the expense of a 192-nation meeting!!!<br />
The International RED !</p>
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		<title>By: Mirax</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/189#comment-6260</link>
		<dc:creator>Mirax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hindu swastikas are clockwise&quot;

Indic-buddhist  swastikas can be clockwise or not, upright or slanted. it really does not matter. Btw the swastika is found other cultures beside asian, like in native american depictions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hindu swastikas are clockwise&#8221;</p>
<p>Indic-buddhist  swastikas can be clockwise or not, upright or slanted. it really does not matter. Btw the swastika is found other cultures beside asian, like in native american depictions.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Hindu and Nazi swastikas are identical, other than the Nazi one being rotated 45 degrees. But not mirrored!&lt;/em&gt;

Damn.  That means the Hindus medics will just have to run standing up straight whilst running towards Jews.  This may of course leave them vulnerable to being hit &lt;em&gt;en route&lt;/em&gt; by the giant red penis, but I suppose that&#039;s a risk you take in the roller-coaster world of multicultural war-zone healthcare.

Glad we got that cleared up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Hindu and Nazi swastikas are identical, other than the Nazi one being rotated 45 degrees. But not mirrored!</em></p>
<p>Damn.  That means the Hindus medics will just have to run standing up straight whilst running towards Jews.  This may of course leave them vulnerable to being hit <em>en route</em> by the giant red penis, but I suppose that&#8217;s a risk you take in the roller-coaster world of multicultural war-zone healthcare.</p>
<p>Glad we got that cleared up.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/189#comment-6239</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bollocks to you alban, who asked your opinion? If you don&#039;t like it, piss off.
 
Thanks for the shout on Points of Jew Leslie, I like the &quot;rather brilliant&quot; description!
 
Sonia, look again at who wrote the piece!
 
Robert the Hindu and Nazi swastikas are identical, other than the Nazi one being rotated 45 degrees. But not mirrored!

Robert (again) the Swiss flag has an unclear background, but yes two of the prevailing theories are that is has Christian origins. However that wasn&#039;t the intended sentiment when the Red Cross was launched!

Exclamation mark!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bollocks to you alban, who asked your opinion? If you don&#8217;t like it, piss off.</p>
<p>Thanks for the shout on Points of Jew Leslie, I like the &#8220;rather brilliant&#8221; description!</p>
<p>Sonia, look again at who wrote the piece!</p>
<p>Robert the Hindu and Nazi swastikas are identical, other than the Nazi one being rotated 45 degrees. But not mirrored!</p>
<p>Robert (again) the Swiss flag has an unclear background, but yes two of the prevailing theories are that is has Christian origins. However that wasn&#8217;t the intended sentiment when the Red Cross was launched!</p>
<p>Exclamation mark!</p>
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		<title>By: Vikrant</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/189#comment-6238</link>
		<dc:creator>Vikrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert the problem is... Hindu swastikas are clockwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert the problem is&#8230; Hindu swastikas are clockwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/189#comment-6236</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Beyond the Red Crescent and the Red Cross - Looking for new symbols can be a tedious task. But the future of this new symbol could be interesting in multi-cultural communities. More at Pickled Politics. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Beyond the Red Crescent and the Red Cross &#8211; Looking for new symbols can be a tedious task. But the future of this new symbol could be interesting in multi-cultural communities. More at Pickled Politics. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/189#comment-6234</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert - that is true. Once it becomes a phallic symbol, then expect everyone to start comparing their dicks (well, people do that anyway).

Vikrant - I never said I was Sikh, and neither am I fully vegan (yet).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert &#8211; that is true. Once it becomes a phallic symbol, then expect everyone to start comparing their dicks (well, people do that anyway).</p>
<p>Vikrant &#8211; I never said I was Sikh, and neither am I fully vegan (yet).</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/189#comment-6233</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Imagine the Red Swastika hindu/buddhists coming to the aid of Jewish Israelis! Now thereâ€™s the casewhere I can think of where a misunderstanding might occur!&lt;/em&gt;

Another point of information:  Am i right in thinking that the original Eastern Swastika has arms that point in a different direction to the Nazi variant?  If so, then a wounded Jew can simply check the armbands for clockwise or anti-clockwise swastika, and instantly know whether the skinhead running towards them with a first-aid kit is a Buddhist monk or a neo-Nazi.  

This of course doesn&#039;t work if a Red Swastika Ambulance is zooming up behind your car, and you look at the symbol in your rear-view mirror.

I hope this clarifies things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Imagine the Red Swastika hindu/buddhists coming to the aid of Jewish Israelis! Now thereâ€™s the casewhere I can think of where a misunderstanding might occur!</em></p>
<p>Another point of information:  Am i right in thinking that the original Eastern Swastika has arms that point in a different direction to the Nazi variant?  If so, then a wounded Jew can simply check the armbands for clockwise or anti-clockwise swastika, and instantly know whether the skinhead running towards them with a first-aid kit is a Buddhist monk or a neo-Nazi.  </p>
<p>This of course doesn&#8217;t work if a Red Swastika Ambulance is zooming up behind your car, and you look at the symbol in your rear-view mirror.</p>
<p>I hope this clarifies things.</p>
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		<title>By: Vikrant</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/189#comment-6232</link>
		<dc:creator>Vikrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A vegan Punjabi Sikh?</description>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If someone came to help with a flag of a big red penis. Iâ€™d run.&lt;/em&gt;

In any case, I presume the giant red penis idea would cause arguments over whether it was circumcised or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If someone came to help with a flag of a big red penis. Iâ€™d run.</em></p>
<p>In any case, I presume the giant red penis idea would cause arguments over whether it was circumcised or not.</p>
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		<title>By: j0nz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/189#comment-6226</link>
		<dc:creator>j0nz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine the Red Swastika hindu/buddhists coming to the aid of Jewish Israelis! Now there&#039;s the casewhere I can think of where a misunderstanding might occur!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine the Red Swastika hindu/buddhists coming to the aid of Jewish Israelis! Now there&#8217;s the casewhere I can think of where a misunderstanding might occur!</p>
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		<title>By: Mirax</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/189#comment-6221</link>
		<dc:creator>Mirax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vikrant,
point of information: The Red Swastika society is a buddhist charitable foundation that runs schools and hospitals in the far east; it IS NOT the msian equivalent of the Red Cross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vikrant,<br />
point of information: The Red Swastika society is a buddhist charitable foundation that runs schools and hospitals in the far east; it IS NOT the msian equivalent of the Red Cross.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/189#comment-6220</link>
		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why not? i think sunny&#039;s highlighted a good point - there&#039;s plenty of confusion about the red cross red crescent thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why not? i think sunny&#8217;s highlighted a good point &#8211; there&#8217;s plenty of confusion about the red cross red crescent thing.</p>
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		<title>By: alban</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/189#comment-6218</link>
		<dc:creator>alban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this was really boring .. please dont write stuff like this</description>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol at the red fish. I like it, though then vegetarians might complain just for the hell of it! Actually.... I&#039;m a vegetarian.... doh!

If someone came to help with a flag of a big red penis. I&#039;d run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol at the red fish. I like it, though then vegetarians might complain just for the hell of it! Actually&#8230;. I&#8217;m a vegetarian&#8230;. doh!</p>
<p>If someone came to help with a flag of a big red penis. I&#8217;d run.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/189#comment-6212</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you imagine the &lt;em&gt;gall&lt;/em&gt; of these people, spreading their insidious ideologies by - shock! horror! - treating sick people!

By the way, I would like to make it clear that &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; will formally recognise the legitimacy of anyone with a white and red symbol who comes to attend to my bleeding, wounded body.  Cross, Crescent, Star, Lozenge, Love-heat, whatever.

Fuck it, I&#039;d take treatment off a person with a giant red penis on their arm.  Which surely makes me more likely to survive than any of my more symbol conscious brothers and sisters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you imagine the <em>gall</em> of these people, spreading their insidious ideologies by &#8211; shock! horror! &#8211; treating sick people!</p>
<p>By the way, I would like to make it clear that <em>I</em> will formally recognise the legitimacy of anyone with a white and red symbol who comes to attend to my bleeding, wounded body.  Cross, Crescent, Star, Lozenge, Love-heat, whatever.</p>
<p>Fuck it, I&#8217;d take treatment off a person with a giant red penis on their arm.  Which surely makes me more likely to survive than any of my more symbol conscious brothers and sisters.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/189#comment-6209</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point of information: Although the Red Cross is simply a reversal of the Swiss flag, surely the Swiss flag itself has Christian roots, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point of information: Although the Red Cross is simply a reversal of the Swiss flag, surely the Swiss flag itself has Christian roots, no?</p>
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		<title>By: j0nz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/189#comment-6205</link>
		<dc:creator>j0nz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason the Red Cross should be altered is where in war-zones where jihadist chav terrorists take aim at these aid workers. To change the whole red cross is just pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason the Red Cross should be altered is where in war-zones where jihadist chav terrorists take aim at these aid workers. To change the whole red cross is just pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a solution!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blacktriangle.org/blog/?p=1220&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The red fish&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a solution!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blacktriangle.org/blog/?p=1220" rel="nofollow">The red fish</a></p>
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