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		<title>By: halima</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1870#comment-114416</link>
		<dc:creator>halima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Slowly but surely China is becoming the new official enemy&#039;

I thought China had already been the offical enenmy, hence the Korean War in 50s which the Chinese launched as a preemptive strike coz MacArther then got excited and crossed the Korean broder beyond his mandade and upset the Chinese. That was the begining of the Cold War in East Asia - and some would argue , most of the Vietnam War was about containing the Chinese, and the Russians.

Seems this old enemy discourse never really went away .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Slowly but surely China is becoming the new official enemy&#8217;</p>
<p>I thought China had already been the offical enenmy, hence the Korean War in 50s which the Chinese launched as a preemptive strike coz MacArther then got excited and crossed the Korean broder beyond his mandade and upset the Chinese. That was the begining of the Cold War in East Asia &#8211; and some would argue , most of the Vietnam War was about containing the Chinese, and the Russians.</p>
<p>Seems this old enemy discourse never really went away .</p>
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		<title>By: El  Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1870#comment-114405</link>
		<dc:creator>El  Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Slowly but surely China is becoming the new official enemy.&lt;/i&gt;

Leon, you seem to have chosen your words very carefully here, as if to imply that it was a western conspiracy. Was that done on purpose?

I don&#039;t see why it should be a cold war. China and the west are far more interdependent that Russia and the west ever were. But we do need China to step up to the plate in more ways than just economic. Power brings with it reponsibility. I think it can, but I&#039;m not sure a one party state can deliver.

As an aside -- since Leon&#039;s words reminded me vaguely of that old chestnut, the U.S. military-industrial complex -- I remember listening to the head of a U.S. company which specialised in letting office buildings to the U.S. government departments (e.g. Drug Enforcement Agency, FBI, US Dept of Agriculture, etc).
&quot;I was once asked &#039;What keeps you awake at night?&#039;&quot;, he said.
&quot;World Peace, I said&quot;
I thought it was funny anyway, and so did all the suits in the room. Nothing like a little joke to lighten the mood at a boring corporate event.
I guess some of you think he is a wanker, or worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Slowly but surely China is becoming the new official enemy.</i></p>
<p>Leon, you seem to have chosen your words very carefully here, as if to imply that it was a western conspiracy. Was that done on purpose?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see why it should be a cold war. China and the west are far more interdependent that Russia and the west ever were. But we do need China to step up to the plate in more ways than just economic. Power brings with it reponsibility. I think it can, but I&#8217;m not sure a one party state can deliver.</p>
<p>As an aside &#8212; since Leon&#8217;s words reminded me vaguely of that old chestnut, the U.S. military-industrial complex &#8212; I remember listening to the head of a U.S. company which specialised in letting office buildings to the U.S. government departments (e.g. Drug Enforcement Agency, FBI, US Dept of Agriculture, etc).<br />
&#8220;I was once asked &#8216;What keeps you awake at night?&#8217;&#8221;, he said.<br />
&#8220;World Peace, I said&#8221;<br />
I thought it was funny anyway, and so did all the suits in the room. Nothing like a little joke to lighten the mood at a boring corporate event.<br />
I guess some of you think he is a wanker, or worse.</p>
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		<title>By: El  Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1870#comment-114401</link>
		<dc:creator>El  Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;just in case any picklers were planning to use their yearly bonuses to go on a world cruise in their new yachts PS where is El Cid these days?&lt;/i&gt;

Did you miss me justforfun? I&#039;m humbled, though I think you have me confused with somebody else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>just in case any picklers were planning to use their yearly bonuses to go on a world cruise in their new yachts PS where is El Cid these days?</i></p>
<p>Did you miss me justforfun? I&#8217;m humbled, though I think you have me confused with somebody else.</p>
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		<title>By: s johal</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1870#comment-114395</link>
		<dc:creator>s johal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all  please read   article on Tibet  Log onto johntyrell.co.uk (Tibet, answers and Question)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all  please read   article on Tibet  Log onto johntyrell.co.uk (Tibet, answers and Question)</p>
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		<title>By: Dalbir</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1870#comment-114375</link>
		<dc:creator>Dalbir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>------
According to a Congressional Research Service report, the US is still the biggest global arms dealer in the developing world- 36% of sales- and the UK comes in third at 11%.
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That&#039;s pretty impressive given the size of UK.</description>
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According to a Congressional Research Service report, the US is still the biggest global arms dealer in the developing world- 36% of sales- and the UK comes in third at 11%.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty impressive given the size of UK.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1870#comment-114297</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congressional Research Service report is American, BTW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congressional Research Service report is American, BTW.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1870#comment-114296</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to a Congressional Research Service report, the US is still the biggest global arms dealer in the developing world- 36% of sales- and the UK comes in third at 11%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to a Congressional Research Service report, the US is still the biggest global arms dealer in the developing world- 36% of sales- and the UK comes in third at 11%.</p>
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		<title>By: Dalbir</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1870#comment-114278</link>
		<dc:creator>Dalbir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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The missiles can reach the BBC head quarters in 35 minutes.
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I wish........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
The missiles can reach the BBC head quarters in 35 minutes.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>I wish&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: s johal</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1870#comment-114264</link>
		<dc:creator>s johal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The chinese argro ship is caring missilles sent by China to Murgabe , so he can target the BBC for their &#039;balanced&#039; coverage of the Tibet riots. The missiles can reach the BBC head quarters in 35 minutes. So take cover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The chinese argro ship is caring missilles sent by China to Murgabe , so he can target the BBC for their &#8216;balanced&#8217; coverage of the Tibet riots. The missiles can reach the BBC head quarters in 35 minutes. So take cover.</p>
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		<title>By: Dalbir</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1870#comment-114261</link>
		<dc:creator>Dalbir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m actually surprised that people haven&#039;t pointed out our own British involvement in the international arms trade. That is unless we have been merrily supplying &quot;tools&quot; strictly to the good boys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually surprised that people haven&#8217;t pointed out our own British involvement in the international arms trade. That is unless we have been merrily supplying &#8220;tools&#8221; strictly to the good boys.</p>
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		<title>By: Dalbir</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1870#comment-114254</link>
		<dc:creator>Dalbir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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The  Dude: The only constructive engagement I want to see with Mugabe is one of those AK-47 rounds pumped into his regime. Mugabe and his thugs must go and go now and by ANY meansâ€¦â€¦
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The balanced voice of reason.....

Hang on - I swear a bunch of Islamo fundos were just arrested or convicted for talking this type of shite?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
The  Dude: The only constructive engagement I want to see with Mugabe is one of those AK-47 rounds pumped into his regime. Mugabe and his thugs must go and go now and by ANY meansâ€¦â€¦<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>The balanced voice of reason&#8230;..</p>
<p>Hang on &#8211; I swear a bunch of Islamo fundos were just arrested or convicted for talking this type of shite?</p>
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		<title>By: The Dude</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1870#comment-114114</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Halina, I hear what you&#039;re saying and in this instance I&#039;ve got no problems with the Chinese. The only constructive engagement I want to see with Mugabe is one of those AK-47 rounds pumped into his regime. Mugabe and his thugs must go and go now and by ANY means......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Halina, I hear what you&#8217;re saying and in this instance I&#8217;ve got no problems with the Chinese. The only constructive engagement I want to see with Mugabe is one of those AK-47 rounds pumped into his regime. Mugabe and his thugs must go and go now and by ANY means&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: halima</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1870#comment-114074</link>
		<dc:creator>halima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. Human rights on all sides are appaulling in different parts of the world ... still we shouldn&#039;t be using relations with China as political capital in the UK - they are far too influential a geopolitical power for us to be scoring cheap political points on human rights. Dangerous politics, indeed.  Constructive engagement is no bad policy and is the best way to foster long term improvements in human rights - the last time i checked as a student that was the standard US policy with regard to China. Interesting to see that many countries might consider changing that policy - what&#039;s changed since 1997 I wonder in the last ten years that we are shifting our long term policy on China. Perhaps the reality that it isn&#039;t going to be going away and that the balance of global economic power is moving east ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. Human rights on all sides are appaulling in different parts of the world &#8230; still we shouldn&#8217;t be using relations with China as political capital in the UK &#8211; they are far too influential a geopolitical power for us to be scoring cheap political points on human rights. Dangerous politics, indeed.  Constructive engagement is no bad policy and is the best way to foster long term improvements in human rights &#8211; the last time i checked as a student that was the standard US policy with regard to China. Interesting to see that many countries might consider changing that policy &#8211; what&#8217;s changed since 1997 I wonder in the last ten years that we are shifting our long term policy on China. Perhaps the reality that it isn&#8217;t going to be going away and that the balance of global economic power is moving east &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Dude</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1870#comment-114067</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I scent the sweet smell of hypocrisy here. Lest we forget that Mugabe managed to loose a fixed and rigged vote, which is some achievement in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I scent the sweet smell of hypocrisy here. Lest we forget that Mugabe managed to loose a fixed and rigged vote, which is some achievement in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: kELvi</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1870#comment-114052</link>
		<dc:creator>kELvi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chine? Human rights violator?  N.ram, Yechury, and Karat don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chine? Human rights violator?  N.ram, Yechury, and Karat don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Justforfun</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1870#comment-113995</link>
		<dc:creator>Justforfun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops - the first part of the sentance is missing.

Don&#039;t fly the Union Jack, Old Glory or the Tricolour - just fly the Chinese Red Flag and you will be safe, just in case any picklers were planning to use their yearly bonuses to go on a world cruise in their new yachts PS where is El Cid these days?

justforfun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops &#8211; the first part of the sentance is missing.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t fly the Union Jack, Old Glory or the Tricolour &#8211; just fly the Chinese Red Flag and you will be safe, just in case any picklers were planning to use their yearly bonuses to go on a world cruise in their new yachts PS where is El Cid these days?</p>
<p>justforfun</p>
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		<title>By: Justforfun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justforfun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PLA are the pirates  :-)

&lt;i&gt; The problems of underpaid maritime security forces and smuggling infect China&#039;s People&#039;s Liberation Army (PLA) Navy as well. Recent reports describe documented attacks on a number of ships on the high seas that were boarded by personnel from military gunboats bearing the markings of the PLA Navy. The pirates reportedly were dressed in PLA Navy uniforms. These reports illustrate that although piracy is not condoned in the regional maritime security forces, the temptation to participate in it or to turn a blind eye to it in exchange for kickbacks or bribes appears to be very strong. &lt;/i&gt;

http://www.heritage.org/Research/AsiaandthePacific/BG1379.cfm


just in case any picklers were planning to use their yearly bonuses to go on a world cruise in their new yachts PS  where is El Cid these days?


justforfun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PLA are the pirates  <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><i> The problems of underpaid maritime security forces and smuggling infect China&#8217;s People&#8217;s Liberation Army (PLA) Navy as well. Recent reports describe documented attacks on a number of ships on the high seas that were boarded by personnel from military gunboats bearing the markings of the PLA Navy. The pirates reportedly were dressed in PLA Navy uniforms. These reports illustrate that although piracy is not condoned in the regional maritime security forces, the temptation to participate in it or to turn a blind eye to it in exchange for kickbacks or bribes appears to be very strong. </i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.heritage.org/Research/AsiaandthePacific/BG1379.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.heritage.org/Research/AsiaandthePacific/BG1379.cfm</a></p>
<p>just in case any picklers were planning to use their yearly bonuses to go on a world cruise in their new yachts PS  where is El Cid these days?</p>
<p>justforfun</p>
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		<title>By: Kesara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kesara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope this ship has a military escort - every balls-to-the-wall pirate in that part of the world is going to be on the lookout for that rather useful bounty. 

Its gonna be a blast :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this ship has a military escort &#8211; every balls-to-the-wall pirate in that part of the world is going to be on the lookout for that rather useful bounty. </p>
<p>Its gonna be a blast <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Justforfun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justforfun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from the article 

&lt;i&gt; Dockers in Durban were refusing last night to unload the ship. The SA Transport and Allied Workers Union&#039;s general secretary, Randall Howard, said: &quot;Satawu does not agree with the position of the government not to intervene with this shipment of weapons. Our members will not unload this cargo, neither will any of our members in the truck-driving sector move this cargo by road.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

People who care and people who can effect the situation at the right place at the right time.  Obviously trade unionism is alive and well in SA.  Good for them.

justforfun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from the article </p>
<p><i> Dockers in Durban were refusing last night to unload the ship. The SA Transport and Allied Workers Union&#8217;s general secretary, Randall Howard, said: &#8220;Satawu does not agree with the position of the government not to intervene with this shipment of weapons. Our members will not unload this cargo, neither will any of our members in the truck-driving sector move this cargo by road.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>People who care and people who can effect the situation at the right place at the right time.  Obviously trade unionism is alive and well in SA.  Good for them.</p>
<p>justforfun</p>
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Letters From A Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China and Russia are starting to exert their authority and the US and EU are powerless at the moment, such is their desperation to avoid getting into a fight.

http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China and Russia are starting to exert their authority and the US and EU are powerless at the moment, such is their desperation to avoid getting into a fight.</p>
<p><a href="http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com</a></p>
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