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  • Creating ethnic ghettoes in the press


    by Sunny
    7th April, 2008 at 9:00 am    

    Communities minister Hazel Blears made a speech last week, typically vague as most New Labour speeches go. But its at times like these that I think the real threat to our democracy and having sensible debates about issues (like immigration, social cohesion etc) aren’t politicians but the media itself.

    In one part of her speech, which you can read in full on the Fabian website, Hazel Blears says:

    In our modern context, with a far more socially and geographically mobile and diverse society than the one Bevan was analysing, there is an even greater need for communities which reflect different faiths, races and social classes. When we consider the impact of immigration on some of our towns, cities, and latterly rural areas, we must ensure that community cohesion is maintained, and no one faith or ethnic group can totally dominate a locality to the exclusion of all others.

    There is nothing wrong with enclaves of particular groups – every city benefits from its China Towns, Little Italies, or as in London, Bangla Town, Kangaroo Valley, or Little Korea. But no neighbourhood should be dominated by one group in ways which make members of other groups feel alienated, insecure or unsafe.

    Ok, I accept that when Blears says the dominance of one group should not make others feel alienated, she is most likely referring to those poor white people who live in fear in “Muslim no-go areas” rather than the opposite.

    But even then there’s nothing really remarkable about what she said.

    But look at the press response.

    Daily Express:

    Cabinet Minister Hazel Blears provoked a new race row yesterday by calling for an end to ethnic minority-dominated ghettos. She said that urban “no-go areas” for whites should no longer be tolerated. But the Communities Secretary outraged critics who blame Labour-spearheaded multi-culturalism for the growth of ethnic ghettos.

    Daily Mail headline: “Blears calls for break up of ethnic ghettos in warning over ‘social apartheid’” (though the article is more sensible)

    Daily Mirror:

    Muslim ghettos which have become no-go areas for whites must be broken up, Labour will declare today. In a speech which is set to spark a storm Communities Secretary Hazel Blears will say there is a need to take a hard look at the impact of immigration on cities.

    It will be the first time a senior Government minister has called for the break-up of areas dominated by racial or religious groups. And it follows Church of England Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali attack on Islamic extremists for creating no-go areas across Britain.

    The Guardian:

    Last week, the world-renowned architect, Lord Rogers, warned that projects such as the Thames Gateway scheme were in danger of creating “the slums of tomorrow” and the Bishop of Rochester, Michael Nazir-Ali, recently caused a stir when he declared there were already “no-go areas” for non-Muslims in parts of Britain.

    Granted, the Daily Express is written by and for imbeciles but what the hell is the Daily Mirror playing at? The Mail sounds far more sensible in comparison, which really is bizarre.

    The Guardian too seems to have swallowed the line about Muslim “no-go areas” wholesale without question, which for a liberal newspaper should be shocking.

    Jamie Kenny at Blood & Treasure sums it up well:

    [The Daily Mirror article is] worth reprinting in detail because you can see how the meme spread, in reverse order: lifelong race relations bureaucrat Trevor Philips senses and exploits a change in the political atmosphere; Bishop Ali builds on that and starts burbling about no-go areas; Hazel Blears starts driveling on about the forced resettlement of populations. Nobody actually names a Muslim ghetto, for the perfectly obvious reason that there aren’t any.


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    1. MaidMarian — on 7th April, 2008 at 9:32 am  

      Sunny - Very well said.

      Blears, whatever one thinks of her, had words put into her mouth. The Mirror article simply did not reflect the quote that it actually carried - it did not lie, but it skated very dangerously close.

      There has been a great deal of debate about trust in politicians, all well and good. But journalists have, for far too long escaped similar scrutiny. Indeed the slightly shocked reaction that journalists seem to have had to exposure to scrutiny on talkboards like CiF is telling.

      Disinterested telling of news seems ever less to be the priority. Of course, this is nothing new and we could have made similar remarks at pretty much any time over the past 40 years. There does however seem to be a different ‘feel’ now and that feel is making debate shrill to the point of impossible, as Sunny rightly points out.

      Somehow the media agenda seems to be first and foremost about making life difficult for politicians with all other concerns secondary. Possibly with a 24 hour news cycle there is now just too much news for too few events with the result that shrill sells. In that context, race/immigration are very soft targets for journalists looking to make a name for themselves.

      Maybe these talkboards are the way forward, but the stark reality is that big media still sets the agenda that these threads respond to. This episode shows that uncritical reading of the press skews debate, as much as any poor quality journalism.

      To my mind journalists should be fair game as much as politicians. Even if, Sunny they appear to be telling you what you want to hear.

      In the article on here last week Pickled Politics really did fall for it hook, line and sinker.

      Best wishes.

    2. Letters From A Tory — on 7th April, 2008 at 9:46 am  

      Sorry but I hardly think you can hold the Mirror up as some pinnacle of journalism while criticising the Daily Mail.

      http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com

    3. Boyo — on 7th April, 2008 at 11:18 am  

      Where on earth (or in London) is “Little Korea”?

    4. sonia — on 7th April, 2008 at 11:25 am  

      new malden apparently..i was wondering myself so did a quick google search, shame its so far out i was hoping for some tasty food

    5. billericaydicky — on 7th April, 2008 at 11:26 am  

      There is an agenda, or rather several, other than the stated ones at work here. What is being recognised is that thirty years of the race relations industry has failed miserably to do what it claimed to be doing. Instead of creating a level playing field on race issues it quickly became anti white and began to invent racism.

      The CRE also spawned a whole subsidiary industry of race consultants which got lucrative contracts from government to run race awareness schemes and investigate supposed racism in public and private organizations. Where racism didn’t exist it was invented. This, not unnaturally, led to white people feeling persecuted and fuelled the rise of the BNP.

      It is true that Trevor Phillips has made a career out of playing the race card but unlike the late and unlamented Lee Jasper he could see which way the wind was blowing and so could the government when it appointed him the Chair of the CRE with the task of closing down the CRE and through that the race industry which lived off it.

      The creation of the new equalities commission was fought tooth and nail by the Jaspers, the black press and Livingstone who has pledged to creat a new London race equality body, that should get him a lot of white votes. This agenda recognised the total failure of attempts to creat race equality by forcing it on society by schemes which by their very nature had to discrimate against white people if they were to work.

      The lesson of America was taken on board that the Democrats could never be elected on the white votes, and particularly the white working class vote. That had been totally alienated by quotas in jobs and education.

      We now see the jargon changing from equality,quotas and all black lists to sustainability,inclusion and cohesion. What is happening is a desperate damage limitation exercise to prevent more inner city riots and the rise of the BNP. Although all of the think tanks are more or less in agreement that thirty years and more anti white legislation has been a disaster they have no remedies.

      The word ghetto is emotive and means many things to different groups. I spent the weekend delivering anti BNP election material around London and drove from Shepherd’s Bush out to near London Airport. The number of Asian faces on the streets increased the nearer I got to Southall, as you would expect, but what was also interesting were the Polish businesses,flags,pubs,nail parlours and the rest.

      I was in Brixton recently sitting in a pub opposite the tube looking out the window aand suddenly realised that at least a half of those walking past were white. The area is home to a huge Brazilian and Portuguese and just down the road in Balham the streets become full of Asian businesses.

      I could go on but London is not LA or Bradford or Burnley. In those northern towns it is possible to talk about ghettos, these came about because earlier generations of Asians moved into areas of cheap housing, whites moved out because they sold up and had the money to live elswhere. What Blears and the think tanks do not recognise, or if they do won’t admit it, is that government has very little control over where and in what conditions people live.

      Margaret Thatcher changed the whole equation when council housing was sold off. The state lost the power not only of planning but the political patronage that went with it. She was right, you can’t buck the market.

      When riots broke out in those northern cities in 2001 the alarm bells began to ring. Then the BNP started taking seats and the panic started. What I sense in all of this is a feeling in the powers that be that there is a crisis very largely of their own making that they are powerless to do anything about.

      They can talk as much as they like about sustainable communities but communities are organic, they form and grow according to the needs of the people that make them up. From the twenties to the seventies councils built huge estates into which local extended families moved taking with them their structures of support. Immigrants have done the same thing and done it in the same way.

      Another good topic Sunny, let us see where this one goes.

    6. Sid — on 7th April, 2008 at 12:38 pm  

      Why are other no-go areas, and in particular all-white ones such as in Barking, Dagenham, Redbridge, Pendle, Burnley, less problematic than all-Muslim no-go areas for people like Nazir-Ali and Hazel Blears? Which all-Muslim no-go areas make white people unsafe? These are not rhetorical questions, I would really like to know.

    7. MaidMarian — on 7th April, 2008 at 1:46 pm  

      billericaydickey -

      The sentiments are fair enough there, if I don’t agree with everything. The point of Sunny’s article though was how the media skews things.

      The really pertinent point that you make, and one that is spot on is, ‘What Blears and the think tanks do not recognise, or if they do won’t admit it, is that government has very little control over where and in what conditions people live.’

      Very true, but when the media essentially ramp up the shouts of, ‘something must be done,’ that message gets totally lost. I actually think that the government and thinktanks fully recognise facts on the ground, it is the media that doesn’t.

      The government having little control is, of course, not inherently a bad thing. But if the media spin everything and throw it at the government, is it any surprise that government comes up with silly responses?

      I long for the day when a Minister (of any party) is asked by a journalist, ‘what is to be done,’ responds, ‘nothing - it is not my role to micromanage society.’

      You need to take your complaints up with journalists as much as anyone else.

    8. sonia — on 7th April, 2008 at 2:26 pm  

      as far as i can see, the group that most people are apparently scared of are ‘youths’.

    9. Sunny — on 7th April, 2008 at 3:49 pm  

      In the article on here last week Pickled Politics really did fall for it hook, line and sinker.

      Agreed, and I really should have read her speech before making my judgement.

    10. Leon — on 7th April, 2008 at 3:56 pm  

      as far as i can see, the group that most people are apparently scared of are ‘youths’.

      I’ve always found that interesting given young people are more likely to be the victims of crime and are probably the most marginalised group in our society…

    11. bananabrain — on 7th April, 2008 at 4:06 pm  

      well, indeed they are more likely to be the victims of crime, but isn’t the crime to which they have been subject, in the vast majority of cases, also likely to be perpetrated by “youths”?

      b’shalom

      bananabrain

    12. MaidMarian — on 7th April, 2008 at 4:14 pm  

      Sunny - ‘Agreed, and I really should have read her speech before making my judgement.’ Every credit to you, it takes some real spine in fora like this to make a statement like that.

      For what it’s worth, I think that the article is making a very good point and discussion on this is long overdue.

    13. Avi Cohen — on 7th April, 2008 at 4:21 pm  

      But where are these areas that you and Blears say exist? Either name them or stop making politics of them.

      There are more likely white areas where ethnics dare not go rather than the other way round.

    14. soru — on 7th April, 2008 at 5:25 pm  

      But where are these areas that you and Blears say exist?

      Err, the whole point of Sunny’s article was that Blears _didn’t actually say that_.

      There are more likely white areas where ethnics dare not go rather than the other way round.

      So you agree with what she _actually_ said: ‘no neighbourhood should be dominated by one group in ways which make members of other groups feel alienated, insecure or unsafe?’

      Note the abscence of the words ‘white’, ‘ethnic’, ‘muslim’, or any plausible euphemism for them.

    15. Derius — on 7th April, 2008 at 5:27 pm  

      Avi,

      Here is something from the BBC on the subject:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/reports/archive/politics/oldham1.shtml

      I’ve never been to Oldham, so I’ve no idea how much of this is true.

    16. Sid — on 7th April, 2008 at 5:29 pm  


      Note the abscence of the words ‘white’, ‘ethnic’, ‘muslim’, or any plausible euphemism for them.

      You sure?

      “China Towns, Little Italies, or as in London, Bangla Town, Kangaroo Valley, or Little Korea.”

      Shows that she’s not suggesting anything other *non-white* ethnic ghettoes.

    17. Sid — on 7th April, 2008 at 5:31 pm  

      Although, fuck knows which ethnic diaspora populate “Kangaroo Valley” ghetto.

    18. bananabrain — on 7th April, 2008 at 5:52 pm  

      hehe. up my way we have what are known as “j-j” areas, whereby areas with lots of jews are mysteriously attractive to japanese ex-pats. there’s another phenomenon which causes turks to move to the same suburbs as greeks and replicate cyprus both before and after 1974, complete with two potato marketing boards. consequently the area around st anne’s road in harringay is known as “the green line”. generally we reserve the term “ghetto” for the area bounded by the famous north-west london eruv, although it seems to me that the majority of objectors it seem to be jews who feel that it attracts the “wrong type of jews” (ie more religious than them) and jews who feel that the eruv isn’t kosher enough (don’t even get me started) - on the whole the non-jews are delighted as it’ll keep property prices up. perhaps we should refer to it as “haimishe heaven” or something. at any rate we ought to get a decent nickname like everyone else has.

      b’shalom

      bananabrain

    19. soru — on 7th April, 2008 at 6:25 pm  

      ‘“China Towns, Little Italies, or as in London, Bangla Town, Kangaroo Valley, or Little Korea.”’

      As something to be praised.

      Shorter version:

      ethnic restaraunts (including racially white ethnicities like Italian and Australian): good.

      ethnically-based social divisions tending to intimidation and violence: bad

      Maybe such divisions don’t exist, maybe there are no towns in the South Wales valleys or Cotswolds where they won’t make a black visitor feel uncomfortable (or, at least, not more than any other Londoner). Maybe she’s wrong, or speaking to a hypothetical case not actually existent anywhere in the UK.

      I wouldn’t place much of a bet that way, though.

    20. Boyo — on 7th April, 2008 at 6:57 pm  

      It’s all fake. Ghettos and no go areas have always existed. What about the Huggenots and Jews in Brick Lane before the Bangladeshis? I lived in a squat in Brixton in the 80s which many white people would have regarded as a “no go” area.

      The difference now is visibility and terrorism. It’s not really about literal “no go” areas, although there is evidence that gays and the like are made to feel unwelcome in the East End, it’s just a euphemism for Muslims. Deep down many non-Muslims fear them because they choose to act and look differently, take pride in a separate culture, and some commit acts of terrorism.

      The British as a whole have always been happy to rub along with newcomers providing “they keep themselves to themselves”. Muslims more than any other immigrant group do not. And people don’t like it. There’s no mystery.

    21. Boyo — on 7th April, 2008 at 7:13 pm  

      Or think about it this way - over the last 50 years a couple of million Brits (mainly from the Midlands and North West) moved to Pakistan, instead of the Costa Del Sol.

      As well as their tendency to settle together, sticking to their own language, they’ve also opened churches, pubs openly selling alcohol, their women don’t cover their heads. Some even bathe topless, as well as demanding equal rights at work. And recently, because of the Muslim domination of the oil industry as well as 1,000 years of conquest of Christian lands, a sizeable minority of their young people, funded by wealthy American industrialists, have undertaken a terror campaign which they have pledged to continue until Egypt “reverts” to Christianity.

      I don’t think that would go down too well, do you?

    22. Prem — on 8th April, 2008 at 2:31 am  

      Guys. Accept our fate as Asians. We are the new scapegoats of British society. We are objectified, demonised, stereotyped, and hated. Nothing we do will appease those for whom we represent something cancerous and fearsome. It’s not going to change any time soon. Just accept our fate. White people hate us.

    23. Prem — on 8th April, 2008 at 2:44 am  

      Well Boyo, in the above, you just described the course of British colonial expansion and the stealth of the continents of North America, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa, didn’t you? Have no fear. Unlike white British people, the Muslims (or ‘Asians’) won’t be replicating that particular aspect of British history and expansion in this country. Give it a generation or two and they’ll be integrated to your satisfaction too. Just as the Jews or some of the Blacks or (if white people are being generous) some of the Indians, although often, the poor Indians are also swaggering, furtive cut throats, conspiring behind closed doors where they play sitars and plot subversion through wearing turbans and other stuff, gnawing at your soul too.

      Eat our food. Hate our guts.

    24. MaidMarian — on 8th April, 2008 at 8:27 am  

      Prem - I have to know, apologies.

      Are your comments actually serious or a parody?

    25. douglas clark — on 8th April, 2008 at 8:58 am  

      MaidMarian,

      I just love the racism that assumes every white person comes out of the same mould. Personally, as a white person, I cannot stomach lots of other white people. Particularily Tories and Libertarians, oh, and climate denialists. And, if you perm any two from three, I tend to go mental.

      Scum of the earth they are, so there!

      Is it racist to hate your own lot? For goodness sake, I don’t even think they are my own lot.

    26. billericaydicky — on 8th April, 2008 at 9:18 am  

      Prem,

      No one hates your guts, you shouldn’t get into the syndrome of a lot of African Caribbeans pushed by the black press that everything bad that has happened to you is a result of whitey’s racism. I would say from your name that you are Hindu, although most whites can’t tell the difference, and probably were regarded with suspicion after the bombings.

      One of the problems that many Asian people have is that they know very little about white society. Although we have now a couple of generations born here there is little interaction socially and of course none, that I know of, in terms of marriage. A common misconception that I find is that most white people are hostile to non whites. That isn’t the case. Just because societies don’t socialise doesn’t mean that there is anything wrong.

      The two extremes of this argument are both incorrect. One wants integration by which was meant an abandonment of the groups traditional ethnic cultures and values and the wholesale adoption of those of the host group. The other was the politically enforced separation of groups with the fact that in certain areas the fact that there were a hundred or more languages spoken being a source of pride rather than making teaching almost impossible.

      I was back in Hackney in East London where I grew up a couple of weeks ago and it is totally different to where I live now in Essex. My village is totally white whereas Dalston Junction and Ridley Rd market have probably got shops and stalls where you will hear languages from all over the world. Neither situation is wrong because the people who created the situations chose to do so. The took conscious decisions about their lives insofar as they were able to do so financially.

      When I hear people saying that the countryside is too white I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. I can only assume they are inhabiting the same parallel universe as Blears when she talks of creating communities. Communities creat themselves, in this area of our lives politicians have far less power than they think and as far as I am concerned that is a good thing.

      With the demise of the race industry we now have the cohesion industry. It will be the same thing with seminars, fat salaries,international conferences and the usual corruption. While they are talking the rest of us will be getting on with our lives.

      It is areas of rapid social and ethnic change that dangers exist. A case in point is Barking and Dagenham where within a very few years a significant African community has arrived. The BNP ran an Africans For Essex campaign which claimed that inner London council were giving Africans £50’000 a family to move to the area and buy houses. What had actually happened is that white people bought the council house, sold it to an African and moved further out.

      Unfortunately the story is now taken as a fact with the result that eighteen of the fifty BNP councillors in the country are in the area. We all need certainty and stability in our lives and it is when change is rapid that people feel powerless,distrust the established political parties and move to the extremes.

      No amount of goverment tinkering is going to solve the problem, only we can do that and for the moment we are just going to have to roll with it.

    27. douglas clark — on 8th April, 2008 at 9:36 am  

      billericaydicky,

      What you overlook is the fact that some folk do go in for inter racial marriage. It is currently a tiny percentage, but it is apparently growing quite quickly. See here:

      http://www.mixedmediawatch.com/2005/03/22/new-report-on-interracial-marriage-in-uk/

      That, I am pretty sure, is where the future lies, not in folk worrying about their ethnic identity, whatever the hell that is. Replace sex, religion, politics in the game of scissors, paper, stone, and you’ll see what I mean.

    28. Bert Rustle — on 8th April, 2008 at 10:02 am  

      I posted a comment on the related post Is Hazel Blears on drugs feeling ok?

      billericaydicky 5 wrote … I spent the weekend delivering anti BNP election material around London … Why did you do this, as your whole comment would sit well on blogs I have read from self-described BNP supporters? Are you distributing balanced informative leaflets? If not, how is this legal within an election campaign period? Do you have a link to the leaflets you were distributing? Exactly where did the money come from to pay for these leaflets? Is there any link between these financiers and donations to any parties in the elections? Are you or any of those engaged in this leaflets production, content or distribution involved with any of the campaigns of candidates in these elections?

    29. Golam Murtaza — on 8th April, 2008 at 10:43 am  

      Billericaydicky is mostly right. He also has a WICKED name!

    30. MaidMarian — on 8th April, 2008 at 11:32 am  

      douglas clark - I agree absolutely. One suggestion, go to YouTube and type in, ‘Rescue Me, Sensitivity.’ [I hope it still works!] One of the funniest things ever.

      I am almost certain that prem’s comments are fake though.

      ‘…gnawing at your soul too. Eat our food. Hate our guts.’ There were literally tears of laughter rolling down my cheeks at that stage.

    31. Prem — on 8th April, 2008 at 2:00 pm  

      Are your comments actually serious or a parody?

      May I ask the same about yours?

    32. Prem — on 8th April, 2008 at 2:05 pm  

      No one hates your guts

      Really? How naive of you.

      One of the problems that many Asian people have is that they know very little about white society.

      BULLSHIT.

      British Asians know everything about mainstream society, being a part of it. They know all about white people, participating in their culture and being a minority within it. How could Indians be the second most successful ethnic group in the country in schools, how could Asians have so much entrepenurial success, if your contention were true? These are just two examples.

      It’s the other way round, white people are incredibly, astonishingly, breathtakingly ignorant about Asian people of all their varied backgrounds, and their presumptions are loaded with the most amazing ignorance. Not all, mind you, but the majority are.

    33. Prem — on 8th April, 2008 at 2:09 pm  

      With the demise of the race industry we now have the cohesion industry. It will be the same thing with seminars, fat salaries,international conferences and the usual corruption. While they are talking the rest of us will be getting on with our lives

      Yes, now that I can see. The heavy dull thud of words of condescension and finger wagging falling upon our heads. The constant insinuations of disloyalty, of being uppity ingrates, of being constantly represented in the media and elsewhere as horrible scheming little cancers on the soul of this country. Whoops! I celebrated Diwali and bought a sari for my mum. Somewhere in England a white person is being oppressed by it.

    34. MaidMarian — on 8th April, 2008 at 2:17 pm  

      Prem (no 31) - You may ask, and yes I am deadly serious. I answered you, now, are you serious or a parody?

      ‘Whoops! I celebrated Diwali and bought a sari for my mum. Somewhere in England a white person is being oppressed by it.’ You are almost as funny as that RescueMe clip I mentioned earlier.

    35. Prem — on 8th April, 2008 at 2:21 pm  

      Really MaidMarian? You’re serious? Well you had me laughing in the aisle.

      Anyway what’s your point? If all you’re going to do is ask ‘are you serious, are you a parody’, you’re going to be very boring, and boredom is the worst thing anyone can be on the internet. So I dosed my words with a heavy layering of sarcasm, the intent was to be humourous on a serious subject, whoop de doo, get over it, I’m a funny guy.

    36. MaidMarian — on 8th April, 2008 at 3:36 pm  

      Prem (35) - Hark at you!

    37. Leon — on 8th April, 2008 at 3:58 pm  

      It’s the other way round, white people are incredibly, astonishingly, breathtakingly ignorant about Asian people of all their varied backgrounds, and their presumptions are loaded with the most amazing ignorance. Not all, mind you, but the majority are.

      And you know this how? What are you basing this on? Even it were true, can you blame them for not knowing much about Asian people given the sheer fact that there aren’t enough Asians spread out equally across the country for them to experience!

      Anti-white prejudice really gets my goat.

    38. Dalbir — on 8th April, 2008 at 4:06 pm  

      Leon

      If that gets your goat then you should see what prejudice is like when receiving it from people with the reins of power in their hands….much more annoying…..and potent.

    39. Rumbold — on 8th April, 2008 at 5:42 pm  

      Dalbir:

      Surely it is not an either/or situation?

    40. Dalbir — on 8th April, 2008 at 6:33 pm  

      Can you elaborate Rumbold?

    41. marvin — on 8th April, 2008 at 7:01 pm  

      Prem, I think you should become Ken Livingstone’s new Race Advisor.

      If you was white, with a victim fetish like that, you’d do very well at the BNP.

      Guys. Accept our fate as Whites. We are the new scapegoats of “British” society. We are objectified, demonised, stereotyped, and hated by the liberal Guardian reading-elite.

      Nothing we do will appease those for whom we represent something cancerous and fearsome. It’s not going to change any time soon. Just accept our fate. We’re fast becoming a minority in our own country. And both the liberals and the ethnics despise us.

    42. Leon — on 8th April, 2008 at 7:30 pm  

      If that gets your goat then you should see what prejudice is like when receiving it from people with the reins of power in their hands

      Trust me, you do not have to lecture me on anything like that.

      Racism from the majority ethnic [against the minority ethnic] does not excuse racism against them from the minority ethnic.

    43. Rumbold — on 8th April, 2008 at 7:41 pm  

      Dalbir:

      Leon explains in #42.

    44. Dalbir — on 8th April, 2008 at 9:36 pm  

      ———————————-
      Trust me, you do not have to lecture me on anything like that.

      Racism from the majority ethnic [against the minority ethnic] does not excuse racism against them from the minority ethnic.
      ———————————-

      Maybe whitey does need a strong dose of his own medicine. Who knows, maybe it would wake him up to the kind of crap he expects others to put up with?

      (Talking figuratively here before you start jumping around).

    45. Dalbir — on 8th April, 2008 at 9:39 pm  

      —————-
      every city benefits from its China Towns, Little Italies, or as in London, Bangla Town, Kangaroo Valley
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      Damn kangaroos, they come here, take all the jobs. Make a mess and shag the women. Fuck it, I’m voting BNP this year!

    46. Tim Perkins — on 9th April, 2008 at 11:35 am  

      The most violent, crime-ridden ,welfare-dependent ‘ghettos’ in England are predominantly white in ethnicity and also have the highest rates of family breakdown. The fact Ms Blears choses to ignore this fact and pander to racial prejudice is symptomatic of the reactionary nature of new labour.
      The irony is that her own constituency of Salford, in which I live, has more such underclass ghettos than most constituencies-a fact that She and her Government
      have singularly failed to address. More interested in selling off social housing and public services to their friends in big business,now she has the gall to bemoan the breakdown of society her failed policies have exacerbated.

    47. Bert Rustle — on 9th April, 2008 at 12:11 pm  

      Tim Perkins 46 wrote … The most violent, crime-ridden ,welfare-dependent ‘ghettos’ in England are predominantly white in ethnicity and also have the highest rates of family breakdown. … Do you have a link to the source statistics?

    48. marvin — on 9th April, 2008 at 4:59 pm  

      The most violent, crime-ridden ,welfare-dependent ‘ghettos’ in England are predominantly white in ethnicity and also have the highest rates of family breakdown.

      Any evidence? Or just random assertions? Brixton and Hackney have some of the worst crime rates in the country, certainly in London. But it’s not a f****ing competition.

      There’s problems more related to specific ethnicity certainly. A suicide bomber is likely to be asian, possibly black, definitely muslim, maybe a convert, between the ages of 16-28. They are probably disconnected with society at large, and mix with others who have fundamentalist islamic views.

      How do you encourage the islamic fundamentalist to rejoin mainstream society? How do you prevent radicalisation by other fanatics?

    49. billericaydicky — on 10th April, 2008 at 10:10 am  

      Good evening,I,m from Essex in case you couldn’t tell!

      Thanks Golam Murtuza, I love Ian dury and The Blockheads and I also spent my working life as a bricklayer like Dickey. The late lamented John Peel said the most influential song in his life was Teenage Kicks by Fergal Sharkey and the Undertones but for me it was this one.

      Prem, I think I agree with most people posting here about you, you have a massive chip on your shoulder. Quite what about I don’t know and I,m not really concerned.

      Bert Rustle,

      Had to read your post a couple of times to understand the first sentence. I think you see anti fascists as the typical SWP lollypop waving sectarian bigot or the race relations industry hack forever starting racist witch hunts against white people.

      One of the reasons why the BNP vote across London has gone from 30,000 to 300,000 in ten years is partly because of the types I have just described, the Prems of this world don’t help either.

      White people are sick of being told they are racist. It has now folded after the Jasper scandal but the website of the 1990 Trust actually ran an article last year saying that any white person or their ancestors who had ever taken a spoonfull of sugar or worn a garment made of cotton had benefited from slavery and must apologise and pay reparations.

      It is these crooks and charlatans who have taken millions for their spurious anti racists schemes who have, in large part, got us into the situation that we find ourselves in today as regards the BNP.

      In relation to the campaign if you go to http://www.hopenothate.org.uk you will see all of the campaign material which has been paid for by the Trades Unions listed at the bottom of the home page.

      On the 29th of April every mainline and tube station across London is being leafleted in a last attempt to get the vote up to keep the nazis out. We need volunteers.

    50. Bert Rustle — on 10th April, 2008 at 11:18 am  

      Billericaydicky 52 Thank you for responding to my comment. I would have preferred specific responses to the individual questions that I asked you, however I realise that this may have required too much time.

      Are the Trade Unions financing this campaign also financing the Labour Party? Do the individual union members have to opt-in or opt-out to finance the Labour Party? Do the individual union members have to opt-in or opt-out to finance hopenothate.org.uk?

      Billericaydicky 52 wrote … Had to read your post a couple of times to understand the first sentence. I think you see anti fascists as the typical SWP lollypop waving sectarian bigot or the race relations industry hack forever starting racist witch hunts against white people. … In my opinion the first sentence is clear and you have not replied to it. Furthermore, what you think I see, or what I actually see have no bearing on the question I asked.

      It appears to me that you make somewhat similar observations as the BNP and then campaign against them through an organisation financed by Labour Party donors. If this is the case, then in my opinion this is just another chapter in the long campaign by the Ruling Class in general and the Establishment Party in particular against the indigenous population of the UK which has assisted the growth of the BNP over time. I would prefer to see hopenothate.org.uk field it’s own candidates, as others such as independents do, though as they share funding sources with the Labour Party it might be problematic for them.

      Is it fair to say that though you largely recognise the same issues that the BNP do, you disagree with their proposed remedies? If so, it would be helpful if there was a table with headings BNP Issue, BNP Remedy, HNH Remedy, all other political parties and lobby groups. Such a table would for the first time give the Electorate an informed choice.

      Do you know which other groups not fielding candidates are distributing leaflets during this election campaign?

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