<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Bearing the torch, fuelling the flames</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808</link>
	<description>Current affairs for a progressive generation</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:04:44 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Bearing the torch, fuelling the flames</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808/comment-page-1#comment-115849</link>
		<dc:creator>Bearing the torch, fuelling the flames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808#comment-115849</guid>
		<description>[...] desconocido wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptDespite Nepal providing home to many exiled Tibetans, it is a small nation with a meek political voice. India is the only other powerhouse in Asia, and historically one with a torrid recent history with the larger China. &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] desconocido wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptDespite Nepal providing home to many exiled Tibetans, it is a small nation with a meek political voice. India is the only other powerhouse in Asia, and historically one with a torrid recent history with the larger China. &#8230; [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808/comment-page-1#comment-110156</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808#comment-110156</guid>
		<description>BTW, nice post, Rohin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, nice post, Rohin</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808/comment-page-1#comment-110155</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808#comment-110155</guid>
		<description>&quot;Yet India’s policy has been disappointing.&quot;

Sadly, India&#039;s policy has been disappointing in contemporary history (arguably, India used to hold certain positions that were admirable,such as the stance on Palestine-- until the BJP came along). 

India, though, has recently said that it will stop sending ammo and arms to either the Burmese junta or Sri Lankan government (sorry I cannot fact-check this tidbit; internet connection is shoddy, Firefox tabs not yet implemented!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yet India’s policy has been disappointing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sadly, India&#8217;s policy has been disappointing in contemporary history (arguably, India used to hold certain positions that were admirable,such as the stance on Palestine&#8211; until the BJP came along). </p>
<p>India, though, has recently said that it will stop sending ammo and arms to either the Burmese junta or Sri Lankan government (sorry I cannot fact-check this tidbit; internet connection is shoddy, Firefox tabs not yet implemented!!)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rohin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808/comment-page-1#comment-110152</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808#comment-110152</guid>
		<description>Kelvi, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s anything to do with your comment - it&#039;s just some of us are a bit busy. Unfortunately even if I get time to write a piece these days I can&#039;t find the time to participate in comments.

I&#039;m not entirely sure as to the relevance of what the Hindu is like as a paper, as I don&#039;t think I referenced it once.

I agree the communists in India deserve criticism for their stance towards China (and their actions in general, which I regard as endlessly counter-productive), I just don&#039;t know a great deal about the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelvi, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s anything to do with your comment &#8211; it&#8217;s just some of us are a bit busy. Unfortunately even if I get time to write a piece these days I can&#8217;t find the time to participate in comments.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not entirely sure as to the relevance of what the Hindu is like as a paper, as I don&#8217;t think I referenced it once.</p>
<p>I agree the communists in India deserve criticism for their stance towards China (and their actions in general, which I regard as endlessly counter-productive), I just don&#8217;t know a great deal about the subject.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: kELvi</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808/comment-page-1#comment-110143</link>
		<dc:creator>kELvi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808#comment-110143</guid>
		<description>How predictable.  The moment you shine the light on a so-called &quot;progressive&quot; newspaper, all discussion stops - even on PP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How predictable.  The moment you shine the light on a so-called &#8220;progressive&#8221; newspaper, all discussion stops &#8211; even on PP.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: kELvi</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808/comment-page-1#comment-110005</link>
		<dc:creator>kELvi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808#comment-110005</guid>
		<description>I am surprised by the total absence of any criticism of &quot;liberal&#039;s&quot; darling The Hindu and its editor N.Ram, who is quite possibly an even greater apologist for the Chinese Commies than Rupert Murdoch.  Ram has a long history of denialism wrt to the misdeeds of the Chinese Commies, that predates his shameful misreportage of the Tiananmen Massacre.  Ram displays a dishonesty that is obnoxious and almost vile when it comes to Tibet and China.  If the Nazis have David Irving, China has N.Ram.  After a brief wait The Hindu has as expected published its latest hatchet job on tibet, its people, and the Dalai Lama, and Nitin Pai at Acorn has shown it up for the piffle it is.  http://preview.tinyurl.com/yq4wdj

Also shameful is the behaviour of India&#039;s Commies who have expectedly parroted the Beijing line.  Yechury and Bardhan have spoken only like Commies can.

Among the Indian leaders who spoke up to criticise India&#039;s Tibet policy let us not forget Dr. Ambedkar.

Rohin what you dub the &quot;right-wing&quot; of India is a bit player in India&#039;s politics.  It is the Commies and the &quot;left-feudals&quot; like the DMK dynasty in Tamil Nadu, the JD(S) dynasty in Karnataka, and the many dynasties with in the Congress that prevail.  Nepal too has joined the commie tamasha after the Indian Commie supported terrorists - Prachanda, Bhattarai &amp; Co., have become powerful.  That is why Nepal is caving in to the China, whose medium term plan is to gobble up Nepal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised by the total absence of any criticism of &#8220;liberal&#8217;s&#8221; darling The Hindu and its editor N.Ram, who is quite possibly an even greater apologist for the Chinese Commies than Rupert Murdoch.  Ram has a long history of denialism wrt to the misdeeds of the Chinese Commies, that predates his shameful misreportage of the Tiananmen Massacre.  Ram displays a dishonesty that is obnoxious and almost vile when it comes to Tibet and China.  If the Nazis have David Irving, China has N.Ram.  After a brief wait The Hindu has as expected published its latest hatchet job on tibet, its people, and the Dalai Lama, and Nitin Pai at Acorn has shown it up for the piffle it is.  <a href="http://preview.tinyurl.com/yq4wdj" rel="nofollow">http://preview.tinyurl.com/yq4wdj</a></p>
<p>Also shameful is the behaviour of India&#8217;s Commies who have expectedly parroted the Beijing line.  Yechury and Bardhan have spoken only like Commies can.</p>
<p>Among the Indian leaders who spoke up to criticise India&#8217;s Tibet policy let us not forget Dr. Ambedkar.</p>
<p>Rohin what you dub the &#8220;right-wing&#8221; of India is a bit player in India&#8217;s politics.  It is the Commies and the &#8220;left-feudals&#8221; like the DMK dynasty in Tamil Nadu, the JD(S) dynasty in Karnataka, and the many dynasties with in the Congress that prevail.  Nepal too has joined the commie tamasha after the Indian Commie supported terrorists &#8211; Prachanda, Bhattarai &amp; Co., have become powerful.  That is why Nepal is caving in to the China, whose medium term plan is to gobble up Nepal.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Justforfun</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808/comment-page-1#comment-110002</link>
		<dc:creator>Justforfun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808#comment-110002</guid>
		<description>&quot;our politicians are going to act in anything but their immediate interests and to initiate protests, start boycotts, generally raise awareness&quot;

In general politians act in what they perceive as the electorates&#039; understanding of the electorates&#039; own interest.  Its a positive feed back, where at first a  little pump priming is required.  Plant a few simple ideas that sort of make sense and then you can build on that. Nixon kicked it off with the idea that China was just one huge market that US Corp could sell goods and services to and so defeat the USSR.  Now that sounds great to the American publics&#039; ear - apease and convert one set of communists to defeat another.  But the flaw is that China is just too poor to afford any American made products and services, and that the situation was engineered to allow US corp to actually use Chinese labour to make US goods for sale in the US and whenever Chinese human rights were brought up, they complainants were quickly slapped down as they might endager US access  the huge Chinese market !! All codswollop.  There is no Chinese market for US goods and services.  This applies to the UK as well, and I&#039;m afraid I puked when I heard Gordon Brown in China refer to our relationship with China in terms of it being good for British &quot;Consumers&quot;.  I&#039;m not a consumer - I&#039;m a citizen. 

All too late now - as we are addicted to cheap Chinese goods.  Where would McDonalds be without the cheap toys its sells with the &#039;children&#039;s meal&#039; thrown in for free.  Think of the unemployment in our retail sector if they didn&#039;t have cheap things to sell!

Luckily the Chinese print &quot;Made in China&quot; on things so I just leave them on the shelves , but I am running out of socks!!  I suppose I&#039;ll have to wear sandals soon!

Thank God for Taiwan, but now it gets most of its electronic hardware from China - arghhh.

A small step - I&#039;ll just boycott any company in the UK that has the Berlin 2008 Games logo on it.  Now I feel much better.

It&#039;s a sorry mess we are in and now the Chinese have all the dollars as well :-( .  Just biding their time until US Corp and HBOS et al goes begging for money.  Any time soon.  

My bunker is not deep enough.

Justforfun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;our politicians are going to act in anything but their immediate interests and to initiate protests, start boycotts, generally raise awareness&#8221;</p>
<p>In general politians act in what they perceive as the electorates&#8217; understanding of the electorates&#8217; own interest.  Its a positive feed back, where at first a  little pump priming is required.  Plant a few simple ideas that sort of make sense and then you can build on that. Nixon kicked it off with the idea that China was just one huge market that US Corp could sell goods and services to and so defeat the USSR.  Now that sounds great to the American publics&#8217; ear &#8211; apease and convert one set of communists to defeat another.  But the flaw is that China is just too poor to afford any American made products and services, and that the situation was engineered to allow US corp to actually use Chinese labour to make US goods for sale in the US and whenever Chinese human rights were brought up, they complainants were quickly slapped down as they might endager US access  the huge Chinese market !! All codswollop.  There is no Chinese market for US goods and services.  This applies to the UK as well, and I&#8217;m afraid I puked when I heard Gordon Brown in China refer to our relationship with China in terms of it being good for British &#8220;Consumers&#8221;.  I&#8217;m not a consumer &#8211; I&#8217;m a citizen. </p>
<p>All too late now &#8211; as we are addicted to cheap Chinese goods.  Where would McDonalds be without the cheap toys its sells with the &#8216;children&#8217;s meal&#8217; thrown in for free.  Think of the unemployment in our retail sector if they didn&#8217;t have cheap things to sell!</p>
<p>Luckily the Chinese print &#8220;Made in China&#8221; on things so I just leave them on the shelves , but I am running out of socks!!  I suppose I&#8217;ll have to wear sandals soon!</p>
<p>Thank God for Taiwan, but now it gets most of its electronic hardware from China &#8211; arghhh.</p>
<p>A small step &#8211; I&#8217;ll just boycott any company in the UK that has the Berlin 2008 Games logo on it.  Now I feel much better.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a sorry mess we are in and now the Chinese have all the dollars as well <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/dablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />  .  Just biding their time until US Corp and HBOS et al goes begging for money.  Any time soon.  </p>
<p>My bunker is not deep enough.</p>
<p>Justforfun</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anas</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808/comment-page-1#comment-109991</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808#comment-109991</guid>
		<description>To finish my post...In both cases I think the solution is to give up any useless delusions that our politicians are going to act in anything but their immediate interests and to initiate protests, start boycotts, generally raise awareness. Yeah, Iraq has shown it does a fuck of a lot of good, but I think it&#039;s the only way, and it can have some impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To finish my post&#8230;In both cases I think the solution is to give up any useless delusions that our politicians are going to act in anything but their immediate interests and to initiate protests, start boycotts, generally raise awareness. Yeah, Iraq has shown it does a fuck of a lot of good, but I think it&#8217;s the only way, and it can have some impact.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anas</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808/comment-page-1#comment-109990</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808#comment-109990</guid>
		<description>oops, submitted my comment halfway through writing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, submitted my comment halfway through writing it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anas</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808/comment-page-1#comment-109989</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808#comment-109989</guid>
		<description>As Rohin pointed out Tibet was and is an eminently acceptable cause celebre among Western liberals -- especially given many Hollywood stars&#039; penchants for Buddhism. However that(former?) position now holds very, very little water what with the West&#039;s growing reliance on China&#039;s status as global economic powerhouse -- realpolitik&#039;s dictates win out as they always will with our pathologically spineless politician class. 

And from what I understand the opportunities for a just settlement for the Tibetans are decreasing year upon year: the Chinese are attempting to systematically undermine Tibetan culture and society in all sorts of ways, including through engineering massive demographic shifts.  The situation has many, often eery parallels to the situation of Palestine -- the major difference being our responsibility towards the Palestinians is much greater. In both cases I think</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Rohin pointed out Tibet was and is an eminently acceptable cause celebre among Western liberals &#8212; especially given many Hollywood stars&#8217; penchants for Buddhism. However that(former?) position now holds very, very little water what with the West&#8217;s growing reliance on China&#8217;s status as global economic powerhouse &#8212; realpolitik&#8217;s dictates win out as they always will with our pathologically spineless politician class. </p>
<p>And from what I understand the opportunities for a just settlement for the Tibetans are decreasing year upon year: the Chinese are attempting to systematically undermine Tibetan culture and society in all sorts of ways, including through engineering massive demographic shifts.  The situation has many, often eery parallels to the situation of Palestine &#8212; the major difference being our responsibility towards the Palestinians is much greater. In both cases I think</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: sonia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808/comment-page-1#comment-109972</link>
		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808#comment-109972</guid>
		<description>good article rohin.

KL&#039;s got some good points. and isn&#039;t the USA&#039;s national debt a factor here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good article rohin.</p>
<p>KL&#8217;s got some good points. and isn&#8217;t the USA&#8217;s national debt a factor here?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bartholomew</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808/comment-page-1#comment-109930</link>
		<dc:creator>Bartholomew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808#comment-109930</guid>
		<description>Interesting examination. Xinhua has been &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.salon.com/0003494/2008/03/22.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; crowing over&lt;/a&gt; support for China from countries like Sierra Leone, Zambia, and, erm...North Korea...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting examination. Xinhua has been <a href="http://blogs.salon.com/0003494/2008/03/22.html" rel="nofollow"> crowing over</a> support for China from countries like Sierra Leone, Zambia, and, erm&#8230;North Korea&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: KL</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808/comment-page-1#comment-109923</link>
		<dc:creator>KL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808#comment-109923</guid>
		<description>The US &amp; Associates would have at least yelled to China if:

[1]  China has no market for mongers of the West to dig gold there;
[2]  China has no over $650 billions cash reserves;
[3]  US is not in deep financial trouble at this very moment &amp; in need of the super cheap goods from PRC; &amp;
[4]  Tibet were Israel.

So, my friends, bite your lips &amp; accept the reality!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US &amp; Associates would have at least yelled to China if:</p>
<p>[1]  China has no market for mongers of the West to dig gold there;<br />
[2]  China has no over $650 billions cash reserves;<br />
[3]  US is not in deep financial trouble at this very moment &amp; in need of the super cheap goods from PRC; &amp;<br />
[4]  Tibet were Israel.</p>
<p>So, my friends, bite your lips &amp; accept the reality!!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Vikrant</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808/comment-page-1#comment-109917</link>
		<dc:creator>Vikrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1808#comment-109917</guid>
		<description>Yep... another display of gutless incredulity by Delhi. The exile of Nasreen was especially despicable! Yes i&#039;m glad that i no longer hold an Indian passport. New Delhi&#039;s foreign policy is mind numbingly idiotic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep&#8230; another display of gutless incredulity by Delhi. The exile of Nasreen was especially despicable! Yes i&#8217;m glad that i no longer hold an Indian passport. New Delhi&#8217;s foreign policy is mind numbingly idiotic.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
