=>”Where are the scary men with sharp swords & long beards when you need them ?”

I was wondering the same thing. What were all the kirpan-wearing Amritdhari Sikhs doing while all this was going on ? And it’s not like other weapons aren’t available for the congregation to grab in the event of this kind of scenario, even if the weapons on display in gurdwaras are ceremonial.

Left wing pseudo-secular party !!

A right-wing secular party is of course better than a right-wing religious party which in turn is better than a left wing secular party.

hehe

Sen was so impressed by Gurcharan Das’s book India Unbound that he called him up and told him to start a new political party. Sen even suggested him the idea when he met Das in India.

I not making light of a terrible incident but……….
Where are the scary men with sharp swords & long beards when you need them ?

Are the police any good with dealing with these incidents ?
Its been a year since a elder was murdered in a Gurdwara in the Midlands. It there a trend here ?

Bluey – I haven’t read the article yet but I’m assuming a right-wing secular party is better than a right-wing religious party.

Crazed (black) yobs run riot in (Sikh) temple

Further to her earlier post about the torchings in California of Arab-run general stores which sell booze, she has a lengthy post, Pops, focusing on one particular Arab booze dealer in New Jersey, his racist attitudes and the ill-effects his…

The Battle of Lozells
Thursday 1 December 2005 20:00-20:30 (Radio 4 FM)

Amardeep Bassey examines the causes of the violence that erupted between black and Asian communities in the Lozells area of Birmingham earlier this year. The investigation reveals a history of mutual suspicion and rivalry that calls into question many of the assumptions made about multicultural Britain.

Nukh, what are you doing quoting a left-wing Bengali?

The great man balks at attempts to categorize or appropriate him as ” left wing ”

He says the crying need of India at this hour is:

yes you guessed it

A SECULAR RIGHT WING PARTY !!

I think nukh, quoting amartya sen, is hopefully right and possibly catastrophically wrong. It is undoubtedly true that people have a range of influences on who or what they are. I know a few Asian women who are biological scientists, and who, usually see that as who they are.

However if a challenge is directed at a lesser element of their personality, for example the fact that they are Muslims, it is that aspect of their being that they find a need to defend.

I do not see, either in native culture, nor for that matter in immigrant culture, a willingness to redefine oneself in the terms that amaryta sen suggests. On the hopeful side, it would be a huge step forward for rationalism and genuine diversity. On the other hand, if you attack my maleness, which is about fifth or so on how I define myself, you can expect me to defend it tooth and nail, ludicrous as that might seem. What I am trying to say is that we will defend just as strongly our lesser traits as these define us nearly as much as those we superficially see as more important.

CM – this is exactly my point. We we have to have consistency. I cannot support Warren G’s (the DJ, not rapper) unsubstantiated and hate inciting tirades than I will ever support the Daily Mail’s position. One maybe the establishment, and other not but surely we should treat them the same. Why should anyone be given special treatment because of their race? If that was an Asian person, I’d be the first in line asking for them to be hanged (I’m generally harsher on Asians )

blame pirate radio for the rumour spreading is basically saying blame the black community in lozells for the racist murder of a young black man by Asians!
Of course pirate radio and the websites should be blamed for irresponsibly spreading those lies.

We had racist messages posted on my other websites but the admins deleted them because they were offensive. Yet it took Blacknet days to delete them and after someone had died (I couldn’t look after PP as I was in Paris).

I think its grossly irresponsible to post an unsubstantiated rumour that may start a race war on your media without backing it up with facts. That’s basic journalism – we both know that.

how about the asian community in Lozells taking responsibility for its own muderous sons??
Yes – we need to do that too, and I’m annoyed this has not been dealth with properly there. Asians there are still playing the victim mentality card. But that doesn’t excuse African racism.

Dr Dre is his half brother. See, rap’s a bit like Bollywood – very claustrophobic, all about nepotism. That’s where the similarity ends. He produced work for Snoop, 2Pac and Breed.

His second album came out in 97 Yusuf, Take a Look Over Your Shoulder. Didn’t do well. His third album came out around 99-2000 or thereabouts and was called I Want It All and his fourth was a few years back, called Return of the Regulator. He’s now signed to Lightyear.

Just cos we don’t talk about music on here, doesn’t mean we don’t know about it!

Nukh, what are you doing quoting a left-wing Bengali?

Crazy link – his son is a rapper, MC Kabir. Aaaand the circle is complete. I’m good.