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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1784/comment-page-5#comment-109620</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 05:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;More than laws though, I think miscegenation exists in the minds of people as well.&quot;

Meant to say that &quot;More than laws though, I think ANTI-miscegenation exists in the minds of people as well.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;More than laws though, I think miscegenation exists in the minds of people as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meant to say that &#8220;More than laws though, I think ANTI-miscegenation exists in the minds of people as well.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1784/comment-page-5#comment-109619</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 05:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ashik - your obsession with Drishtipat is annoying the hell out of me. You mention it once more and I’m deleting all comments from you on here henceforth.&quot;

I like it when Sunny gets rough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ashik &#8211; your obsession with Drishtipat is annoying the hell out of me. You mention it once more and I’m deleting all comments from you on here henceforth.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like it when Sunny gets rough.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1784/comment-page-5#comment-109616</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 04:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonia:

&quot;What would be interesting - as a tangent - would be to perhaps discuss what people think about anti-”miscegenation” laws. Alabama only got rid of them very recently - isn’t that right Desi?&quot;

I think it was recently.

More than laws though, I think miscegenation exists in the minds of people as well. Perfect example of people who do this: some Desis. NOTE I say &quot;some,&quot; not all. Though in many cases, Desis tend to think that if the man is a Desi, then somehow this will override the whatever the wife&#039;s background when they have kids, so that somehow, the kids turn out to be &quot;totally&quot; &quot;Desi.&quot; Patriarchy and what not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonia:</p>
<p>&#8220;What would be interesting &#8211; as a tangent &#8211; would be to perhaps discuss what people think about anti-”miscegenation” laws. Alabama only got rid of them very recently &#8211; isn’t that right Desi?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it was recently.</p>
<p>More than laws though, I think miscegenation exists in the minds of people as well. Perfect example of people who do this: some Desis. NOTE I say &#8220;some,&#8221; not all. Though in many cases, Desis tend to think that if the man is a Desi, then somehow this will override the whatever the wife&#8217;s background when they have kids, so that somehow, the kids turn out to be &#8220;totally&#8221; &#8220;Desi.&#8221; Patriarchy and what not.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1784/comment-page-5#comment-109615</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 04:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonia:

&quot;and at the end of the day, there’s nothing wrong with wanting something for yourself, if that is marrying someone with the same background, fine, just like it should be the same if its an individual with a ‘different’ background. its an individual choice - but that’s the key thing for me - it should be about the individual’s choice, about them and another individual.&quot;

I totally agree.

But families make it freaking hard. I&#039;ve seen people have lots of problems simply because of one set of the parents (or both) disagree about the communion, or treat and see the person of a different background as an &quot;outsider.&quot; It must really suck for couples to have to deal with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonia:</p>
<p>&#8220;and at the end of the day, there’s nothing wrong with wanting something for yourself, if that is marrying someone with the same background, fine, just like it should be the same if its an individual with a ‘different’ background. its an individual choice &#8211; but that’s the key thing for me &#8211; it should be about the individual’s choice, about them and another individual.&#8221;</p>
<p>I totally agree.</p>
<p>But families make it freaking hard. I&#8217;ve seen people have lots of problems simply because of one set of the parents (or both) disagree about the communion, or treat and see the person of a different background as an &#8220;outsider.&#8221; It must really suck for couples to have to deal with this.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1784/comment-page-5#comment-109539</link>
		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ashik you seem to have a thing against DP - which might be absolute fair enough, but why are you talking about it here?  why don&#039;t you go and talk about it on DP, or set up your own anti-DP blog? it&#039;s rather confusing for most of us that you keep bringing it up here. 

204 -  Halima - i find your comments insightful ( i have no clue whether what Ashik is saying has much to it at all, being very much an outsider) i also find it amusing that he keeps thinking i have some party political affiliation - dunno why!  anyhow back to the point..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ashik you seem to have a thing against DP &#8211; which might be absolute fair enough, but why are you talking about it here?  why don&#8217;t you go and talk about it on DP, or set up your own anti-DP blog? it&#8217;s rather confusing for most of us that you keep bringing it up here. </p>
<p>204 &#8211;  Halima &#8211; i find your comments insightful ( i have no clue whether what Ashik is saying has much to it at all, being very much an outsider) i also find it amusing that he keeps thinking i have some party political affiliation &#8211; dunno why!  anyhow back to the point..</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>193 - Desi very good point. I was going to say - for a lot of my friends, it wasn&#039;t - as you say just lying about being in a relationship with the &quot;wrong sort&quot; - it was any relationship full stop - even with the &#039;right sort&#039;! everyone simply lied lied and ..lied! i have one friend who managed to marry her boyfriend..by pretending he wasn&#039;t her choice at all! and that is actually much more common than people think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>193 &#8211; Desi very good point. I was going to say &#8211; for a lot of my friends, it wasn&#8217;t &#8211; as you say just lying about being in a relationship with the &#8220;wrong sort&#8221; &#8211; it was any relationship full stop &#8211; even with the &#8216;right sort&#8217;! everyone simply lied lied and ..lied! i have one friend who managed to marry her boyfriend..by pretending he wasn&#8217;t her choice at all! and that is actually much more common than people think.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes back to the topic.

what&#039;s interesting about this thread : is that it reveals a lot about the kind of pressure there is to conform to societal expectations. and a glimpse at some of the kind of views which goes towards influencing so many people lying about what their relationship choices are. 

i think we all know that at the end of the day, people are attracted to other people, and in some cases, it works out, in some cases it doesn&#039;t. regardless of whether we have all the &#039;right factors&#039; in the mix that society approves of or doesn&#039;t. the interesting thing about this thread and the original question was that it was acknowledging the fact that many young asians are not being able to be honest about the relationships they are in - and the question was &lt;strong&gt;why&lt;/strong&gt;. 

i don&#039;t see the question being phrased was that there is a problem about people &#039;not mixing&#039; -  i thought the question was about the problem of people not being able to be &lt;strong&gt;honest&lt;/strong&gt; about what they are in effect already doing. 

 This is an ongoing issue that is REALLY important i feel - the ability to tell so many untruths to your family - really does not make for healthy individuals or society. I know - i&#039;ve been there! Yes we thought/think it was necessary so we don&#039;t upset family etc. - but it is really playing a role at the end of the day, and it screws you over one way or the other. And all that lying does change you - it does, it makes you think, keeping the peace is better than telling the truth. And that&#039;s a big recipe for disaster. 

and at the end of the day, there&#039;s nothing wrong with wanting something for yourself, if that is marrying someone with the same background, fine, just like it should be the same if its an individual with a &#039;different&#039; background. its an individual choice - but that&#039;s the key thing for me - it should be about the &lt;strong&gt;individual&#039;s choice, about them and another individual. &lt;/strong&gt; it shouldn&#039;t have to be a bloody group -sanctioned activity, and people shouldn&#039;t have to lie/give up something they might otherwise pursue - to keep their social groups happy. it would be nice if we could all just be loved for ourselves..wouldn&#039;t it..?

What would be interesting - as a tangent - would be to perhaps discuss what people think about anti-&quot;miscegenation&quot; laws. Alabama only got rid of them very recently - isn&#039;t that right Desi?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes back to the topic.</p>
<p>what&#8217;s interesting about this thread : is that it reveals a lot about the kind of pressure there is to conform to societal expectations. and a glimpse at some of the kind of views which goes towards influencing so many people lying about what their relationship choices are. </p>
<p>i think we all know that at the end of the day, people are attracted to other people, and in some cases, it works out, in some cases it doesn&#8217;t. regardless of whether we have all the &#8216;right factors&#8217; in the mix that society approves of or doesn&#8217;t. the interesting thing about this thread and the original question was that it was acknowledging the fact that many young asians are not being able to be honest about the relationships they are in &#8211; and the question was <strong>why</strong>. </p>
<p>i don&#8217;t see the question being phrased was that there is a problem about people &#8216;not mixing&#8217; &#8211;  i thought the question was about the problem of people not being able to be <strong>honest</strong> about what they are in effect already doing. </p>
<p> This is an ongoing issue that is REALLY important i feel &#8211; the ability to tell so many untruths to your family &#8211; really does not make for healthy individuals or society. I know &#8211; i&#8217;ve been there! Yes we thought/think it was necessary so we don&#8217;t upset family etc. &#8211; but it is really playing a role at the end of the day, and it screws you over one way or the other. And all that lying does change you &#8211; it does, it makes you think, keeping the peace is better than telling the truth. And that&#8217;s a big recipe for disaster. </p>
<p>and at the end of the day, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with wanting something for yourself, if that is marrying someone with the same background, fine, just like it should be the same if its an individual with a &#8216;different&#8217; background. its an individual choice &#8211; but that&#8217;s the key thing for me &#8211; it should be about the <strong>individual&#8217;s choice, about them and another individual. </strong> it shouldn&#8217;t have to be a bloody group -sanctioned activity, and people shouldn&#8217;t have to lie/give up something they might otherwise pursue &#8211; to keep their social groups happy. it would be nice if we could all just be loved for ourselves..wouldn&#8217;t it..?</p>
<p>What would be interesting &#8211; as a tangent &#8211; would be to perhaps discuss what people think about anti-&#8221;miscegenation&#8221; laws. Alabama only got rid of them very recently &#8211; isn&#8217;t that right Desi?</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1784/comment-page-5#comment-109521</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blah blah blah, Ashik.

Now, back to the topic. How many Desi men love Desi women??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blah blah blah, Ashik.</p>
<p>Now, back to the topic. How many Desi men love Desi women??</p>
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		<title>By: Ashik</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1784/comment-page-5#comment-109519</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Sid and Sonias obsession over the years on PP with their party political interpretations of the Liberation War and BD history generally?

Do as you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Sid and Sonias obsession over the years on PP with their party political interpretations of the Liberation War and BD history generally?</p>
<p>Do as you will.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1784/comment-page-5#comment-109518</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashik - your obsession with Drishtipat is annoying the hell out of me. You mention it once more and I&#039;m deleting all comments from you on here henceforth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashik &#8211; your obsession with Drishtipat is annoying the hell out of me. You mention it once more and I&#8217;m deleting all comments from you on here henceforth.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1784/comment-page-5#comment-109516</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction:

&quot;I personally dropped my jaanam’s hand&quot;

Dropped my EX jaanam&#039;s hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction:</p>
<p>&#8220;I personally dropped my jaanam’s hand&#8221;</p>
<p>Dropped my EX jaanam&#8217;s hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1784/comment-page-5#comment-109515</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Easter Sunday, man.&quot;

The heck with Easter. Holi hai!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Easter Sunday, man.&#8221;</p>
<p>The heck with Easter. Holi hai!</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Newton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easter Sunday, man.  Everyone&#039;s enjoying their long weekend.  

Apart from me and Don, apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easter Sunday, man.  Everyone&#8217;s enjoying their long weekend.  </p>
<p>Apart from me and Don, apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lunch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lunch?</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1784/comment-page-5#comment-109503</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did everyone go? It&#039;s not sleepy time in the UK, is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did everyone go? It&#8217;s not sleepy time in the UK, is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashik:

&quot;PP Members:

I invite you to ask Brit Bengali acquaintances (of whatever generation) what they think of Bengali ppl in the UK who engage in Awami League and BNP politics in the UK.(Be prepared for the use of expletives).&quot;

Honestly, who the hell cares? It&#039;s not even a topic of this thread. I mean, I know I have started convos that have veered off course, but at this point, you are just trying to flamebait about some ties between British Bengalis and the Awami League.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashik:</p>
<p>&#8220;PP Members:</p>
<p>I invite you to ask Brit Bengali acquaintances (of whatever generation) what they think of Bengali ppl in the UK who engage in Awami League and BNP politics in the UK.(Be prepared for the use of expletives).&#8221;</p>
<p>Honestly, who the hell cares? It&#8217;s not even a topic of this thread. I mean, I know I have started convos that have veered off course, but at this point, you are just trying to flamebait about some ties between British Bengalis and the Awami League.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally dropped my jaanam&#039;s hand (who was not white, but not Desi) whenever I was in public where there were large numbers of Desis around. Why? Because they want to know WHO he is, WHAT you are doing with him, etc. I was subjected to the most audacious questioning by Desi men whenever I went to buy masala, atta, etc who DID NOT EVEN KNOW MY NAME. 

Mind your own effing business, people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally dropped my jaanam&#8217;s hand (who was not white, but not Desi) whenever I was in public where there were large numbers of Desis around. Why? Because they want to know WHO he is, WHAT you are doing with him, etc. I was subjected to the most audacious questioning by Desi men whenever I went to buy masala, atta, etc who DID NOT EVEN KNOW MY NAME. </p>
<p>Mind your own effing business, people!</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Samira,

&quot;Could it be that deep inside, some people secretly agree with their parents that white people are not “good enough”?&quot;

No. It&#039;s that they are scared shit-less of what a nosey uncle and gossiping auntie who spotted them hand-in-hand might say to their parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Samira,</p>
<p>&#8220;Could it be that deep inside, some people secretly agree with their parents that white people are not “good enough”?&#8221;</p>
<p>No. It&#8217;s that they are scared shit-less of what a nosey uncle and gossiping auntie who spotted them hand-in-hand might say to their parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Contrast, DP goes out to court controvery and has been criticised by BNP Ministers for partisanship.&lt;/em&gt;

Drishtipat isn&#039;t partisan at all, so I would like you to produce this criticism by BNP Ministers. DP started out in the late 90s when it was critical of Awami League&#039;s human rights record. Sorry to defuse that non-starter.

Agree, BLC are excellent. DP and Brick Lane Cicrle plan to do joint presentations. Nice to see a group of Bangladeshis not bogged down by this nth generation &quot;Brit-Bangla&quot; nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Contrast, DP goes out to court controvery and has been criticised by BNP Ministers for partisanship.</em></p>
<p>Drishtipat isn&#8217;t partisan at all, so I would like you to produce this criticism by BNP Ministers. DP started out in the late 90s when it was critical of Awami League&#8217;s human rights record. Sorry to defuse that non-starter.</p>
<p>Agree, BLC are excellent. DP and Brick Lane Cicrle plan to do joint presentations. Nice to see a group of Bangladeshis not bogged down by this nth generation &#8220;Brit-Bangla&#8221; nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: halima</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1784/comment-page-5#comment-109487</link>
		<dc:creator>halima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree Brick Lane Circle is tops, they recently had Mustaq Khan speaking which is great to see - both a fine example of a Bengali academic but with big credentials in governance and development. Could do with more of these circles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree Brick Lane Circle is tops, they recently had Mustaq Khan speaking which is great to see &#8211; both a fine example of a Bengali academic but with big credentials in governance and development. Could do with more of these circles.</p>
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