‘The allegation of mass rapes of one million Bengali women by 83,000 Pakistani soldiers, impregnating 200,000 in a matter of a few weeks, was circulated endlessly. How an army in the midst of an insurgency had time for such activity is mind-boggling. Loraine Mirza debunks these myths admirably’.

http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/book99/biharbk.htm

http://www.islamicthought.org/ks-bio-p3.html

While Asim is not his father, as a Bengali I find it difficult to belief this starchy uber right-wing Pakistani Islamist mentality has been totally discarded by the son. It’s human nature that the son is influenced to a certain degree by his father and his associates.

Prefer people wanting to correct any misunderstandings than the mindless and personal rubbish we are getting at the moment.

It probably wouldn’t suit everyone’s style.

Give it a shot. By the way you are not alone, others readily fall into that trap too.

Just my observations.

I mean just go look at that other thread – where you and others have fallen. And now everyone’s hurling insults at everyone else. Its flipping embarrassing.

It doesn’t need an apology, but an air of purpose.

But if you think this thread is not open to debate then you are mistaken, because that’s all it has been open to. I’m sorry if you don’t agree with my tone but I don’t think I’ve said anything I should be apologising for.

for clarity it should have been:

‘Putting up the thread and diving into your bunker is not good for you or us, the PeePs.’

In case ‘us’ gets translated in gleeful wringing hands to ‘Islamists’. And I am not looking at anyone in particular – Sid.

Being blooming silly.

Which part don’t I agree with?

Its the tone you’ve adopted of late, and it has been running for 90% of the thread. Its probably a defense mechanism. Open up and have a debate.

Its your thread, so if people were trying to engage with you then at least acknowledge them and be courteous.

Putting up the thread and diving into your bunker is not good for you or us. That you must give up.

It was downhill from post #9. Actually that makes it 95% of the thread.

Go have a look and I am sure you will see what I mean. Well I hope you do.

I do have two questions:
Which part of#239 don’t you agree with?
Give what up?

You complained very early on about people making the issue personal (vis a vis Asim), but you yourself now rank very high on the list of offenders.

Give it up. Either you have nothing further to add, too busy to respond properly or just plain lazy.

We the PeePs demand better.

How does the position of Western democracies gel in with your main arguments here? Does it have a contextual place in this debate?

As regards for example Salafis yes they have condemned attacks on Jews and americans. I wonder how many of them have ever condemned attacks on Muslims? Hardly ever.

Also internal debate is fairly pointless when people won’t speak out and condemn this is what leads to more tension. Look how IJV was treated when they spoke up.

Both communities are under siege. But your complaint is one way. In the media often it is Jewish writers attacking Muslims whch brings attacks on that community but there you hide behind freespeech instead of condeming loudly the actions of those writers.

As regards the CR – it isn’t about the fact that he represents 50% of the community. He is a leader with a position and he needs to lead and also make the community look within itself. He is simply acting as a cheerleader and apologist – that isn’t providing leadership to make the community look at itself. We are asking the Muslim community to do this whilst failing to do it ourself.

There is little point in going to shul if it is simply to say we are always right – the point is we need to think about good for everyone and highlight injustice.

what was wrong with my definition? i’m going to cry now. nasty islamists.

b’shalom

bananabrain

1) Is not very bright
2) Thinks there is no plausible disconnect between religion and politics
3) Has a mild empathy with terrorists and thinks nothing of indiscriminate murder. Regards bin Laden as a revolutionary figure
4) Regards white people as the enemy incarnate
5) Thinks their particualr interpretation of Islam is the one true way and regards other muslims as spiritual inferiors, if muslims at all.

In short, the template is fugstar

your original point wasn’t too clear. Nor is your #236.

Your definition of Islamist, in light of approbium being heaped on the term, and the tendancy to use it whenever in a tight intellectual spot is not helping anyone.

‘If you happened to be an Ahmadiyya, then your alternative question would probably be applicable to them in their own homeland.’

Can’t we clear up, agree or disagree on a point before we broaden it again? If you continue to do what you are doing we could never say whether there was or wasn’t any substance to your initial proposition.

Although, I did think you had something (enough to make it a debate) but then lost your way when you broadened it enough to make the whole venture meaningless.