Super Tuesday discussion thread
Yup, I’m still up. Probably head to bed soon. But for those getting up in the mornings and have had a chance to absorb the results – what do you think? I think Obama did much better than expected, tying with Clinton on delegates, but winning more states, when he was 10-20 points behind nationally only weeks ago.
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I’d agree with your leader. Though losing California was a major blow. The fact that he’s still in the race at all is encouraging, given the momentum stuff.
BTW, your live thread on here was a lot of fun.
I thought Clinton did better than expected. Most of the media here seems to be rooting for Obama (or maybe it’s just my imagination?).
Yes, Clinton did better than expected because Zogby and co. where off the mark once again, and the media was hyping it. But I believe the real winner is Obama, he survived Super Tuesday, and managed to win more states and also in several of those states, he got more than 60% (Clinton only managed to that in Arkansas).
It is reported that Obama also managed to raise 3 times the money Clinton did – which I guess will give Obama the edge.
As long as Bill stays in the background, Hillary has a good chance of becoming president. I think America could do with a female president to get the country back on course.
Obama has done well but he isn’t catching Clinton at the moment. No-one can fault him for effort but the Clinton machine is far more formidable than most people in the UK realise.
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I think obama is a better candidate but he is not going to win because of all the social levels in Amercian society. The American people aren’t ready for a black president and the blacks even love what bill clinton did for them so they’ll side with hillary and the hispanics don’t like the blacks so they won’t vote for obama… hillary seems to be the right candidate for the democrats… even tho i don’t think a woman can lead… as misogynistic as that sounds…
I recall a political commentator on one of the satellite news channels recently saying that Hillary has what it takes to win the Democractic nomination but Obama has what it takes to win the Presidency.
Interesting observation. Think about it.
*cough* Democratic *cough*
My spelling skills continue to deteriorate, I see.
I honestly don’t think Obama will win the presidency, no matter how many celebs endorse him or what political commentators say..America is divided by race and class and there is no way a mixed race candiate will win..
so what is it that Obama has got that will win him the Presidency?
apart from votes from people who want to see a ‘person of colour’ get the top job?
Well he may have won more states that Hillary, as you can see below: but he is still behind in Delegate numbers which is the determining factor of who wins the nomination.
Candidate States won Delegates won
Hillary Clinton(D) 8 462
Barack Obama(D) 13 422
John McCain (R) 9 420
Mitt Romney (R) 6 130
Mike Huckabee (R) 4 102
I think he is far by the best candidate, but Clinton is there pushing hard..at least the race is still wide open!! But let’s see what happens on November 4th shall we!!!!
I thought he was WHITE (just as he is black).
Is no one going to challenge Jyoti’s highly sexist remark of ‘i don’t think a woman can lead’. Not read this page for ages then i see this. I am really really shocked. Jyoti, please appologise.
heh you’re right i didn’t see that comment. how amusing! a woman can’t lead indeed. not only misogynistic, but stupid as well.
PLEASE WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO FREE SPEECH? I don’t feel the need to apologize as I don’t think a woman can lead the states and that’s my opinion…
What are you basing that opinion on?
PARDON, did your really just say that JYOTI??
Please explain, i am listening, but slowly because i am a woman and by your definition a second class citizen, because you don’t really mean just the States do you.
The few times women are given a chance to be a prime minister or president they usually grab it with both hands and try their damn hardest to do a great job. If Hillary Clinton does win I’m sure she will do the same. She’s intelligent, she’s politically experienced and as First Lady in the past she supported her husband preside over an extremely successful term as US president, especially in terms of the US economy. As America has never had a woman president, her presidency will do a great deal for women in general in America – something that will be positive in the long run.
Another Clinton presidency is just what America needs to get out of recession and re-adjust its foreign affairs.
Refresh..exactly…since when did his father’s race dominate his mother’s?
As for Jyoti’s comment on women..i’m interested..do you mean women in general.or just Hillary..do you mean at this moment in time, or forever? do you just mean a women leading the U.S..or any country? clarify plz…and yes you do have the right to practise foc, but the rest also have the right to question it.
“As America has never had a woman president, her presidency will do a great deal for women in general in America – something that will be positive in the long run.”
I would disagree with this, what did thatcher do for us? what did benazir do for pakistani women? what did indira do for indian women? what did sheikh hasina do for bangladeshi women?
There is so much Republican loathing of the Clintons that if Hilary gets the nomination, it could well galvanise Republican voters who might otherwise have benn unenthusiastic about their own uninspiring (whoever gets it) candidate.
we may disagree with what thatcher did and/or how she did it, but she did get britain back to work so to speak. sometimes it good to revaluate when time has passed and acknowledge some things were right and some were wrong. To say it was all wrong is naive.
However to your point. To say that all women leaders that precede clinton did not do a good job does confirm to jyoti that women can’t lead, which is simply NOT true. There are plenty of male leaders that have done far worse, do we therfore say majority of man are rubbish. no. That would be very silly indeed.
Agreed. The democrats need to think very carefully about who could beat McCain for the Presidency…
I don’t think Mrs.Clinton has the muscle to tackle terrorism if America is threatened – she voted for the war in Iraq but is it enough especially given that now she is saying she only did so to facilitate a pull out. Hard questions Americans have to deal with during these polls. On the other hand Mr. Obama is a likable character – He is good candidate but does not have the experience, my worry is that he doesn’t look firm enough to defend America given that there is a wave of Anti- America especially from the Muslim fundamentalists and the Al Qaeda. Economically, what these two candidates are advocating for will not help the American economy especially with the fear of a recession mounting and the global credit crunch. These are the real issues in American politics today.
Philipa, where did i say she did everything wrong…and again with your next point..I was talking about failing women…we weren’t doing a swot analysis of men vs women leaders…judge each on merit..not on comparison…and they didn’t do a good job actually..this does not mean they could not lead…only that they did fuck all for women..whether this was in their remit is another matter..but my POINT was that don’t expect hillary to do anything for women..as women in similar positions of power and more, have done nothing…
Besides being loathed by core Republicans, Clinton did poorly in the Midwest and South. But do remember that McCain is fiercely hated by hard-right Republicans (Fox News, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter…) because of his stances on immigration.
I love this uncertainty. It makes the so-called pundits really nervous, as it makes all evident that they just follow memo points. I have mixed feelings about Hillary and Obama. I am beginning to think that both have strengths and weaknesses which complement each other, and the idea of a shared ticket – and Obama as VP – seems to be quite appealing. Obama is very young, and he could get the nomination for President in 8 years from now.
I am glad that McCain – the only true Republican moderate – is the front-runner, and not some crazed religious bigot. He is the safe-net, in case democrats manage to shoot themselves in the foot… again.
What did thatcher do for women, i really don’t know. However i do know that myself and many of my female friends who grew up through this period have done well for themselves, so something did changed.
Thatcher was the original Scary Spice (with apologies to the real Scary Spice)
McCain: ‘the only true Republican moderate’, may be at home, but I understand he is the one who would expand the surge to take in Iran and some.
Phillipa…so of course it was down to her right?
you’d have to do a bit more analysis of her leadership for me to be convinced…and you can’t bring it all down to one person…seriously??? and if you don’t know what thatcher did, then you should have read my original post properly instead of assuming what I had written and then reacting. All I can say is at least she didn’t want to force sterilise women of a certain class like one of her female counterparts wanted.
sofia, dont know that it has anything to do with his fathers race vs his mothers, but id say more to do with m the one drop rule from history – which as far as i can see – still affects very much how people perceive race in the US context..
and anyway, id be more worried about the healthcare question than anything else if i were american, as far as i can see.
sorry should have said, which seems to mean people are generally less open to “self-defintion”. because its so often decided -on your behalf – if you have a “drop” of some “coloured blood” that is not “white” (hah! the thought of that, ridiculous isn’t it!) boom that’s it – you’ll be called, or are “entitled” to call – ( as it is nowadays) a “person of colour”.
On the other hand it would be an excellent challenge to the one-drop rule – if Obama did win. Kills the issue of race in american culture and politics. Especially given his internationalist background and outlook.
So if race matters, then lets make sure that it is challenged.
what did thatcher do for us?
She was one of the most effective prime ministers Britain has ever had even though you may not agree with all her policies. She clipped the power of the trade unions and the economy did great under her.
what did indira do for indian women?
She was largely successful despite a few megalomaniac tendencies. There are a lot more women in Indian politics because of her.
Sonia – yes I would agree with you on both the one drop rule as well as the healthcare issue. Having said that, right wingers in america have managed to sway opinion away from an nhs style service…and I have no idea where the “Massachusetts plan” is on the radar for other states…or what the cons are…
On the whole, why is Obama more “black” than “white”…it makes me mad that we still think this way in 2008…
Barack Obama will win it. He’s closer than he was ever projected to be.
When this race took off at the beginning of the year, she was 20points ahead nationally. Now she’s equal.
cover drive…yes and selling off council housing, the poll tax, the miners etc etc etc..are all just a distant memory.
as for indira..cover..i usually read your comments with great respect, but i won’t even dignify your last point with an response…
I said something changed not that she changed my life. During her time women certainly did progress and for the better in my opinion. Again, I am not going to pretend to know why, because I don’t. However when i look at my friends parents and our lives now i see a positve change.
However we are digressing and letting Jyoti of the hook. He has said something really quite outrageous, and then repeated it with more gusto.
Funny enough, Obama is now projected to be in the lead . Amazing.
I repeat: a combined Clinton partnership – Hillary as the president and Bill in being the homemaker – will be a good combination. Bill has plenty of experience for Hillary to fall back on.
The US presidential election is renownded for soundbites and the personality as oppose to policy and real argument. Some of the comments here seem to suggest we’re all just going along with this.
What does Obama stand for? is it his background the reason your all routing for him?
I found Mark Steel’s take on this quite on the mark”
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/mark-steel/mark-steel-change-hope-america-vote-for-bob-the-builder-778589.html
“On the whole, why is Obama more “black” than “white”…it makes me mad that we still think this way in 2008″
Sofia, I thought I’d pick up on this as I find it interesting. In Obama’s case there are two factors: his wife is black so they are thought of as a ‘black couple’ whereas they are technically a mixed race couple. Secondly, Obama has described himself as black.
In general, although it seems odd, the phenotypically dominant characteristic, i.e. the one we see more (I hesitate to use the word ‘dominant’ as that means something else) defines our assessment of a person. Hence, I’m ‘brown’, Asian or mixed race, but never white and the same goes for Tiger Woods and Barack Obama.
*Philippa – Jyoti is a girl’s name.
I’m not as convinced as before. I’ve got this horrible feeling the Dems are going to go for Clinton who in turn will lose to McCain…
Thanks, I wrongly assumed that kind of statement would not come form a woman, I really should have learnt by now!
parvinder, yes very good article. I just don’t know which one i want to win for this very reason, i just can not work out what they believe in.
‘She was one of the most effective prime ministers ‘
Frighteningly so. She succeeded by fooling everybody to spend themselves into debt based on rising house prices. She sold off council housing – which is now feeding into the buy-to-let nightmare.
Lets not forget Blair took the same model and ran with it. Leaving the whole country in serious debt. The price will be paid – and I blame Thatcher.
Moving on, her approach to manufacturing has also left the country without a base – all we have now is the financial sector (hence the tax-haven style policies ultra-friendly to the non-domiciles)and the service sector- Consider A’levels from McDonalds and Flybe.
Social impact – many parts of the north are still struggling from shutdown of textiles, steel, automotive and of course the coal mines. It lead to 3 generations of unemployed.
One of the tools she used to tackle unemployment was to push them onto incapacity benefit – something today’s government is having to tackle.
Environmental planning – the growth of centre shopping and sheds has blighted the urban environment, wrecked our town centres which have been replaced by pubs and clubs, making them out of bounds on most evenings.
Communities – putting massive numbers of people on the unemployment register wrecked peoples lives and their aspirations for their children. Asians started to buy shops – not because they are born shopkeepers, but it was the only way to try to secure an income – in turn some, sadly, started getting their kids to work in the shops when they should have been doing their homework or playing for the school team.
Note also, at the time, for Asians and Blacks the main place to mix was at work and school. And in the workplace Trade Unions played a great role in breaking down the barriers between communities. Remove opportunities for all that and you get a fractured society (or none as Mrs.T wanted).
And one thing I will never forget – and that is how teachers were telling their pupils on how to sign on.
Yes True.
I guess I could go on. Sorry I did. But its been a long bloody time since anyone spoke highly of Mrs. T.
Leave me out of it. I expressed my opinion and I also explained it too, read above..And anyway not to be rude, but I really don’t think you know much about American or say British Politics..You have just jumped on the bandwagon as many others because Clinton is a woman..go on tell me some of her foreign polices and what is she going to do with the American Economy, how is she going to combat the recession, how is she going to sort out the education/health system, the polices on Iraq/Iran/India I could go on forever, but do you know what she actually stands for??
P.S I am a She not He also Sofia I agree with you!!
Effective doesn’t necessarily mean good. Hitler was effective in transforming his country…
I agree with Leon, the dems will lose to Mccain..
She succeeded by fooling everybody to spend themselves into debt based on rising house prices. She sold off council housing – which is now feeding into the buy-to-let nightmare.
Her term in power was marked by extremely conservative government borrowing, and therefore far less debt. It’s under Labour that the government has borrowed far more than it actually earns leading to the kind of debt we have today.
Okay, socially Thatcher wasn’t good for the working classes but it needed someone like Thatcher to get the country out of the state of affairs in the late 70s.
No i don’t know much about american politics, never in my life claimed too. And i am not jumping on the clinton band waggon, how dare you assume that. i am jumping on you and your sexist remark.
Sorry Cover Drive:
‘Her term in power was marked by extremely conservative government borrowing, and therefore far less debt.’
That is not the debt that will really take this country down. It is personal debt I am talking about. Trillions of it.
Give it a rest love..all’s fair in Politics
It doesn’t matter how much the politically committed Democrat activists promote women and black men, when Baba comes down from hills to vote – and believe me Hillary or Obama will bring him out in force, they’re going to vote for the ex-army, fatherly, white man.
At the moment it’s election by Guardianistas, so-to-speak, but come the real election, real America goes to the polls, and they want a white man in a dark suit.
Refresh,
Completely agree.
Refresh – You missed destroying the manufacturing base, heavy industry and mining, costing the country hundreds of thousands of jobs, for political means.
Chairwoman I Completely agree with both of your points!!
Don, Chairwoman,
I am sitting here enraged thinking about it. ‘Price worth paying’ indeed.
Never knew this but McCain apparently adpoted Bangladeshi daughter.
http://www.encyclocentral.com/13865-Bridget_Mccain_The_Wonder_Child.html
It’s great any way there is a black man running for president who has a chance of winning. Ultimately the white voters will determine the result because African Americans tend to sit on the fence and vote for whoever looks like winning. If they get out and vote en masse for Obama, he could possibly win but Clinton is also popular among them.
Leon,
I have exactly the same suspicion, mate. If Obama does win the nomination then it’s a different story and both political parties have one hell of a fight on their hands, but if it’s Clinton then the Democrats may well be handing victory to McCain on a silver platter.
Which is pretty much what I said back in post #7.
I love Narendra Modi…
Modi for Prime Minister of India.
OBAMA/CLNTON love modi.
yay!!!
John McCain (who looks a cert to pick up the Rep nomination now) has the ability to gain the Independent vote, and if he can unite his own party by choosing a staunch conservative as running mate I can see him beating Hillary for certain and probably even Barack.
About Obama, Lets get real someone with the middle name “Hussein” is not going to be voted into power by the American people and should he gain the nomination I can just picture the Fox News headlines now “A vote for Obama is a vote for Osama” ; he’s soft on terror etc etc
Its also important to note that the Reps will probably have their candidate done and dusted by next month yet we probably won’t see a Dem candidate until the convention during later summer so whilst McCain (or whoever wins it) will be campaigning for President in a few weeks, Hillary and Obama will still be throwing mud at each other come the summer – that can’t be good.
I’ll run the campaign for Barack against McCain. There’s plenty to say McCain will give the american public more of what Bush started.
Those lies that started it, won’t have turned to truths after the election. That’s for sure.
Or is it?
Jai, yep. I can’t see that Clinton can beat McCain…somebody call Team Obama with our campaign strategy idea!
I agree, Jai. Clinton’s problem is that she does not attract independents or Republicans. And add one more problem: Obama supporters. If she wants their support, she needs to stop trying to change the rules in the middle of the game, like trying to include Florida delegates. As things stand, Clinton will more likely need Obama as her VP to tap on his support, then Obama needing Clinton.
But if Obama agrees to be her VP that could damage him; he’s made such a big play about being different, about her being the past that agreeing to run with her could look hypocritical/opportunistic.
Leon,
I agree. It will be the biggest of betrayals. He should be second to no one.
Clinton 2nd like Clinton 1st will only work for herself and the Clinton Project. Recall Primary Colors.
agreed sofia, but unfortunately given the way race seems to play such a pivotal role, frankly im sure obama’s spin doctors would have called him mad if he didn’t play the ‘person of colour’ card – just think of the loss of political manipulation potential!! !
(the man is a politician of course, the poor thing)
i think personally its pathetic the way race seems to figure in people’s perceptions of who to vote for. i mean what kind of race-centric behaviour is that? again, no different to thinking we must vote for hillary because she’s female. gender-centric. What they stand for/and “claim” they are going to do – is what ought to make the difference. Again, the difference between Obama and Clinton’s respective positions on universal healthcare – for example – seems to be of not much interest, to people -when you’d think it would matter.
Its bloody bizarre the way the American “traditional” media is going all guns blazing against Clinton. I still remember the impeachment days of Bill Clinton, and the entire media establishment felt they were reflecting the country when they wrote him off to oblivion.
Fact check:
Reagan had 48% approval rating a year before he left office
Clinton had 61% approval rating a year befor ehe left office
And this is when everyone said oh the country hates him. There also something to be said about celebrities actually making an impact on how people vote — scary…hmmm…CNN was very pro Obama, so was MSNBC of course and funnily enough bloody FOX news was actually being fair.? what does that tell you? Media establishment hates it when they cant bring down a politician be it Clinton or Blair. Well thats my theory.
it’s a good one too. the media establishment likes to think its in control..
Another interesting aspect is people mostly republicans especially Bill Bennett is going on about how Obama will be difficult to beat by a republican. And how they wont play dirty?
These are the same folks that hit John McCain with the illegitimate child story and you can be sure there will a lot of talk of cocaine use, his middle name being Hussein as well Rezko connection — and his comment about nuking Pakistan. The Iraq thing might play well in the democratic primary but might not do that well in a general election especially since the surge is working by all standards. And, in Southern baptist states being backed by a Kennedy is worse than being Clinton — and Republicans will use every trick in the book. But I hope if he wins the nomination, he brings in Carville, Bagela and the other key players in the democratic party including their biggest vote getter Bill Clinton.
’spin doctors would have called him mad if he didn’t play the ‘person of colour’ card – just think of the loss of political manipulation potential!! !’
And I thought I was cynical.
Surely you are not suggesting that the spin doctors have been planting ‘man of colour’ stories?
On the other hand, the real spinning needed would be that he was white (just as he is black). That would be the gauntlet to throw down to the american public.
when Baba comes down from hills to vote – and believe me Hillary or Obama will bring him out in force, they’re going to vote for the ex-army, fatherly, white man.
Unfortunately very true Chairwoman! One of my co-workers is a Texan native and I’ve often got the feeling that he doesn’t like the black/brown folk that he works with. As he put it….”What is wrong with the democrats? Why on earth would they put up a colored man and a woman when they pretty much have the election sealed”. This is the common attitude that both Obama and Clinton will have to deal with.
I can’t vote as I haven’t put in my citizenship application but its going to get a whole lot dirtier. There is the whole not-so-quiet whisper campaign going on against Obama of which the main points are:
- he is a secret muslim because his name rhymes with a certain crazy mountain dweller
- he is a secret muslim because his middle name is “Hussein”
- he is a secret muslim and only pretends to be Christian so we can’t trust him to lead us
On the Clinton side, Hilary has a Pakistani aide (who is a friend of a friend of my brother in laws) and there are rumblings that the right wing press is going to be taking aim in that direction soon suggesting that the relationship is more than personal between her and the other Clinton.
Its going to be a very dirty campaign.
HG
….suggesting that the relationship is more than personal between her and the other Clinton…
Oops…I fat fingered the last bit: read “professional” instead of “personal”
Still doesn’t make sense.
‘I’ve got this horrible feeling the Dems are going to go for Clinton who in turn will lose to McCain…’
That’s certainly the way to bet.
Also, who’s Bloomberg, and why is he at shorter odds than Romney or Huckabee?
“On the Clinton side, Hilary has a Pakistani aide (who is a friend of a friend of my brother in laws) and there are rumblings that the right wing press is going to be taking aim in that direction soon suggesting that the relationship is more than personal between her and the other Clinton.”
These rumours have already been started, nothing much seems to have come of it. Her name is Huma Abedin. She’s half Pakistani btw. And isn’t a friend of a friend of your brother in law…a stranger?
About Obama, Lets get real someone with the middle name “Hussein” is not going to be voted into power by the American people and should he gain the nomination I can just picture the Fox News headlines now “A vote for Obama is a vote for Osama” ; he’s soft on terror etc etc
I’m afraid this doesn’t stand up for various reasons.
1) Obama has a very high rating amongst Democrats, more than Clinton in fact. So if he’s selected as their nominee then they’ll vote for him because the last thing they want is another Republican like Bush.
2) Democrat turn-outs have been way higher than Republicans this year, another reason why its very likely to be a Dem candidate.
3) Obama also rates much better among Independent and Republican voters than Clinton. Of course some are racist, but not all are.
4) So even if your redneck from hicksville won’t vote Obama, the rest of the country will. Obama’s share of the white MAN vote increased this time round to almost level Clinton. He just loses out in the white women vote.
5) He’ll win.
Another point to note. Barack Obama has raised more money as a presidential nominee (let alone for the presidential race that has yet to come) than anyone by far. That includes George Bush. He has already passed the 100 million mark, raising over 30 million alone in the last quarter. And like I said, the presidential contest is still to come.
And the vast majority of this money is donated online by ordinary people, not big business. You could say people won’t vote for Barack Obama…. but he’s way more successful than all the other candidates. In fact he raised more money than the Republicans COMBINED (if it wasn’t for Mitt Romney’s own money going in).
Well, that’s politics, innit? He needs to show that he is different from Clinton in the primaries, or become irrelevant. On the other hand, he could justify his VP position that because he is different from Clinton, he can complement her strengths as a VP. After all, if your follow the conventional narrative… she is about experience, and he is a about uniting the nation.
And he does stand a better chance to be elected as a president after Clinton – because it gives him exposure during that time.
However so far, he is losing the popular vote – since most independents are voting for him, I feel he has less support from democrats in general than Hillary. She has strong support from old people, white women, latinos and Asians (East Asians – not sure about South Asians).
The good news for Obama – is that the remaining US States do not have that many latinos, and he has far more money that she has. I just hope we have a clear winner soon, or fucking Florida will once again decide an election.
Goodness Sunny, I didn’t realise you lived in Utopia.
Barak or McCain (the latter hopefully, because he has BALLS) but please not Hillary, shes all about image – when push comes to shove she’ll talk about public relations.
As far as I can tell, Team Obama hasn’t been playing the “person of colour” card at all. However, that tactic has been used by some of his competitors in an effort to undermine him as being purely a “black candidate”. It appears to have backfired somewhat.
Kesara, its not balls we need (whatever they are), thought Bush had enough for the whole of mankind.
In any case balls to do what exactly?
Obama is far more courageous than McCain or Hillary – he did vote against the Iraq war in a time when you were branded a traitor and an enemy enabler, if you so much said that Bush was wrong in his choice of tie. He was also accused of being an anti-American for not wearing that silly American flag pin – and his response was that he does not use it because it had become a symbol of false patriotism. This despite having ‘Hussein’ as his middle-name, being black and liberal.
That shows balls, and that he is guided by principle.
Yes, Bill Clinton’s comment that Jesse Jackson also won South Carolina in the 80s, or Hillary’s comment that Dr. King was full of ideas, but it was a (white) president who signed the law – was very very shameful. They tried to reduce their opponent to race, and that surely backfired.
Ravi,
‘Obama is far more courageous than McCain or Hillary – he did vote against the Iraq war in a time when you were branded a traitor and an enemy enabler, if you so much said that Bush was wrong in his choice of tie.’
Excellent observation!
Agree with the first part, not convinced by the second.
My worry is that a US backed into a corner is a far more dangerous beast than one driven by hubris and greed.
Right now with two thirds of the american public thinking they are in a recession, and US/UK understated policy of maintaining a ’stable’ Middle East for the sole purpose of keeping the oil flowing (ie to them and through them, in preference to China and India), may mean they are persuaded to back McCain because he will mobilise and send more troops out to bring back the spoils. To the detriment of the rest of the world.
Within 12 months he will open a new front with Venezuela, whilst the surge becomes Big Surge.
I anticipate if McCain becomes President he will have have to have conscription.
These are the BALLS we are looking out, Ladies and Gentlemen. Apologies to those who can’t stomach the imagery that paints.
Excuse my usual typos. Too many to list.
Michelle Obama on whether she was offended by questions around whether her husband was ‘black’ enough..
..”"There are inherent risks for all people, but particularly for people of color, so, you know, I can’t live my life worrying about what might go wrong,” she said. “What we are going through, Barack and our family, is nothing compared to our leaders who pushed through on the civil rights movement.”
yes let’s hope he has the same courage if and when he gets the top position.
sonia
This post in in response to the last comment in ‘Youths throw…’
Your own hypocrisy is quite astounding also.
You are the woman who goes hell for leather at anyone who exhibits some form of overt religious identity or affinity with tradition – you even went as far as to accuse people who have respect for their ancestors as being up their ‘ancestor’s arses’.
But at the same time, you play little the good Muslim at home in front of the family.
You and Desi should get together and paint your toenails or something.
Obama definitely surprised me as for as the number of state he won. I supported him all the way his campaign, but I always have little doubt in mind that whether he’ll make it or not. But he proved I’m wrong. I’m happy for him.
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