The soldier beheading plot – guilty
Four men have pleaded guilty to offences linked to a plot to kidnap and murder a Muslim member of the British armed forces and to supply equipment to terrorists, a court heard today.
Parviz Khan, 37, the ringleader of the group, admitted a series of charges including the beheading plot earlier this month.
The Islamist fanatic intended to capture his victim and behead him “like a pig” in a lock-up garage, Leicester crown court heard. Khan then intended to release the footage of the killing on the internet.
From the Guardian today.
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Remember what Salma Yaqoob said about these arrests, last year?
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2008/01/29/salma_yaqoob_time_to_apologise.php
I suppose they would have jutsified it as an honour killing.
David..I take your point about what she said, however, if you look at the number of ppl arrested on terrorist offences compared to those who are actually charged with terrorist offences, the ratio is low..therefore you could say that many of the reports of arrests we see on the tv do not always follow up with imprisonment on those charges..
the idiot was from alum rock…what do you expect..
The soldier beheading plot – guilty
And? What’s your point?
Hes opening it up for discussion. Calm down dear.
Sofia,
I know what you are saying but look at it from the POV of the Police – intel gathering is an imprecise business at the best of times and the Police therefore tend to move rather then not as the chances of missing one jihadi will lead to the death of innocent civilians.
Getting it wrong regarding the arrests puts a few noses out of joint.
Police operations can and will go wrong – De Menezes and Forest Gate being two obvious examples.
But whilst we are living with the prosepct of extremist islamic terror then the police have to be given time and space to do their jobs.
People like Salma know this and yet choose to forment communualist unrest and discontent. Ok, at best her language is clumsy, at worst she is doing it quite deliberately and stoking a sense of grievence against police and intelligence services doing their damndest to prevent more deaths from jihadi violence that targets indiscriminantly and has shown few qualms in murdering fellow muslims.
Of course, people like Salma are too thick to realise that if these extremists got their way, there would be a huge backlash against muslims, browns… and the BNP would get its bump by actually not having to do much.
I mean, if a white terrorist organisation, such as C18, was embedded in a white community, how would Salma react if a white counciller said that such raids were troubling the community?
Kudos to the police for doing a great job.
Salma could apologise I suppose and thank the police.
I don’t know whether she deliberately does this stuff to maintain her vote, or she’s just a not very experienced councillor who could do with thinking a bit more.
I tend to think its in her interests to spread the myth that all Muslims are under attack rather than violent Jihadists and their Islamist apoplogists (of which she is one)
DavidT,
I’ve read what you’ve written and note you quote her:
‘”That said I think there would be a huge public outcry if these latest raids fail to turn up anything that results in a successful prosecution”‘
There would have been an outcry – after Menezes, Forest Gate and hundreds of others.
At Xmas I learnt that my parent’s neighbour’s son, 16, was picked up in a dawn raid for porportedly passing comment on a forum. And since then he’s actually stopped going to mosque.
Nice!.
As for the guilty verdict. Yes lets put them away. Nowhere does Salma suggest the guilty should not be dealt with.
In fact reading the rest of your article on HP, its only a matter of time before you take down Shami Chakrabati for praising Salma Yaqoob for being an inspiration to young people.
From David T’s article: “In reality, she is a marginal politician, for a tiny party, whose interventions in local and national politics have been poisonous.”
Hope she doesn’t “inspire” too many young people!
Sofia… “therefore you could say that many of the reports of arrests we see on the tv do not always follow up with imprisonment on those charges.”
Thank heavens. Look at it this way Sofia, if we did then you could certainly claim we were living in a police state.
The fact that there is a robust legal process is a sign that the system is working, not failing.
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What was the comment and what was the forum?
it would seem from previous cases that Jihadist forums are often used to plan terrorist events and inspire hatred of non believers.
Tim,
It was a video of a conference where Shami and Salma were sharing a platform.
‘it would seem from previous cases that Jihadist forums are often used to plan terrorist events and inspire hatred of non believers.’
Indeed it would. And we have the equivalent of those forum and newspapers returning the favour. Try HP who go one better and try to construct an intellectual rationale for it. They even put together a manifesto to back it up, with books, pamphlets and novels.
But in the end, my hope is people will see through it all. Just as they did the Iraq war.
Lets hope the damage and havoc wreaked along the way isn’t irreparable.
What on earth was his comment?
And I don’t understand your second paragraph.
Are you claiming HP is the same as a Jihadist Forum arranging terrorist acts?
Tim,
‘Are you claiming HP is the same as a Jihadist Forum arranging terrorist acts?’
No you know I didn’t. My point is simple, there are people who are happy to cause division.
With regards ‘What on earth was his comment?’:
I have already said in my first comment. I am afraid if you need it verbatim then you will have to find it yourself.
You’re not making a lot of sense I’m afraid.
the division is between JihadistsandIslamists, and everyone else (which includes the huge majority of Muslims)
Salma like to see all Muslims under attack.
She does that on purpose.
Tim,
My apologies – just realised what you meant:
‘I have already said in my first comment. I am afraid if you need it verbatim then you will have to find it yourself.’
No, I don’t know what the comment was and I would not know what forum.
‘Salma like to see all Muslims under attack.
She does that on purpose.’
Or perhaps she is voicing what a lot of people think – muslim and non-muslim alike. Thanks to Blunderer Blair.
As in Kosovo I suppose?
I thought a while back that Salma may mature and leave some of her Islamist instincts behind.
It now seems doubtful.
And of course,remember Salma was involved in the Abu Hamzas son business, two years before 9/11.
So I suspect her agenda was at least vaguely formed.(although she idiotically claimed she was not politicised until after)
Oh bloody hell!
‘As in Kosovo I suppose?’
What?
Look here we are with a blog which highlights a successful prosecution of people with murderous intent, and what does DavidT do? Steers it to Salma Yaqoob, and not too cleverly either.
DavidT could have talked about relief at getting a successful prosecution (and presumably within the 28 day time limit); he could have argued that better inteligence would do more to improve our security; or he could even say that we need to empower all citizens to feel safe and be vigilant. But no – its all about Salma Yaqoob.
Get a grip David.
Kosovo is a fair point. I was there (and in another of Blair’s “good” wars, Sierra Leone).
He may have gifted the Islamists a cause, but it is their cynicism – not his anti-Islamism – that is behind the identification of Iraq being a “war against Islam”.
Blair may have been niave, but he never set out to go to war against Islam any more than his intervention in Sierra Leone was a “war against Africans”.
If anything he was a soldier for radical Islam if you judge him by the results on the ground and all those poor women who have been reduced a form of virtual slavery since the war.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3176455.ece
I’m rather more interested whether due to the guilty pleas today if we’re going to learn just how far this plot had actually gone along. You’ll probably remember that the day after the raids the newspapers were already claiming it was the work of “al-Qaida” and even that soldiers were being used as bait, which it was later revealed was complete rubbish. I might well be proved wrong, but this again seems like another autonomous cell influenced by but not having any actual material links with anything approaching “al-Qaida”.
Well the guy had stockpiled equipment to send to Pakistan and Afghanistan,so his horizons and links stretched past Droitwich, I guess.
Sofia wrote – “David..I take your point about what she said, however, if you look at the number of ppl arrested on terrorist offences compared to those who are actually charged with terrorist offences, the ratio is low..therefore you could say that many of the reports of arrests we see on the tv do not always follow up with imprisonment on those charges.”
Quite correct. For example, the failed London bombers of 21 July were charged under the explosives act and with attempted murder. Ditto anyone found messing with explosives, it’s much easier to get a conviction under the 120 year old explosives act as there’s much more precedent.
However, the media report usually correctly that they’re arrested on suspicion of terrorism. Then the people who don’t believe/want to believe in terrorists come out with such misleading statistics as comparing numbers of arrested terrorists with numbers actually charged under the terrorism acts.
Also like to point out that this will irritate soldiers quite a lot. The worst nightmare is being captured in Iraq or Afghanistan and starring in your very own snuff video, now we know that nightmare can also happen when you get home for leave. In the one place you’re supposed to be able to relax a little. Not at all good.
if you look at the number of ppl arrested on terrorist offences compared to those who are actually charged with terrorist offences, the ratio is low
The main reason for that is that it takes one to two years to bring such charges. It’s like if an airport starts up at 6 AM, then at 8 AM a rival firm says ‘don’t go by plane, 46 have taken off, and only 8 landed – does that sound like a good ratio to you’?
But no – its all about Salma Yaqoob.
Well, she is just a representative of the many people in the modern media/politics fringe who get their daily wages paid by stoking group hatred, just another shock jock who would be ignored if they didn’t meet their quota of incitement.
Maybe she will come to see a bit of sense, learn a lesson, work out who has been lying to her, what role they want her to play, and why.
Probably not, though.
Maybe she will come to see a bit of sense, learn a lesson, work out who has been lying to her, what role they want her to play, and why.
Probably not, though.
No, probably not.
Given the comparitive risks of a Muslim teenager being snatched by the state,and one being forced by their parents into marriage, I’m sure as a community representative, Salma has written dozens of articles about Girls in Birmingham who go missing from the School register.
What is the point of this post?
Is anyone surprised by the judgement? Or the fact that such a thing was being planned?
Salma has written dozens of articles about Girls in Birmingham who go missing from the School register.
Would they happen to be only Muslim girls, by any chance? No need to answer that.