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		<title>By: Pickled Politics &#187; Rupees for questions, blogger shtyle</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-6754</link>
		<dc:creator>Pickled Politics &#187; Rupees for questions, blogger shtyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lastly - following up on our Imperial College piece, the uni have cracked under surprisingly-vocal-for-Imperial student pressure and caved on the hoodie/face cover ban. I wasn&#8217;t challenged once when I wore a hoodie there, although I never launched my main plan of sporting a bulky rucksack and beard. What&#8217;s odd is that they&#8217;ve also recanted their call for ID cards to be shown. What the hell? How is that unreasonable? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lastly &#8211; following up on our Imperial College piece, the uni have cracked under surprisingly-vocal-for-Imperial student pressure and caved on the hoodie/face cover ban. I wasn&#8217;t challenged once when I wore a hoodie there, although I never launched my main plan of sporting a bulky rucksack and beard. What&#8217;s odd is that they&#8217;ve also recanted their call for ID cards to be shown. What the hell? How is that unreasonable? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jamal</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5333</link>
		<dc:creator>jamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found two interesting articles regarding this issue, with pangs of similarities to this &quot;security measure&quot;!

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1823334,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article 1&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.acage.org/articles/?id=0112&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article 2&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found two interesting articles regarding this issue, with pangs of similarities to this &#8220;security measure&#8221;!</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1823334,00.html" rel="nofollow">article 1</a>, <a HREF="http://www.acage.org/articles/?id=0112" rel="nofollow">article 2</a></p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5271</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bevan, 
I think Siddarth makes a very imp point. A grand coalition etc would be great but without sig and visible Moslem input the message/campaign will not be as effective as it could be. That&#039;s just the way it is.
I am reminded of the McCarthy sisters and IRA thuggery/criminality. The fact they were Catholic and not Protestant made them very effective campaigners. It of course also helped that they were bloody minded and brave too. 
I would add that the climate in Northern Ireland had changed in the wake of a long ceasefire and 9/11. There was less of a willingness within Catholic circles to close ranks. I think it&#039;s human instinct to side with the tribe when there are tensions/grievances, but as we all know that can lead to a state of denial. Overcoming that takes a long time, unfortunately. So, as Siddarth says, it is important not to be seen as one-sided. 
Still, I salute you. Good luck with your efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bevan,<br />
I think Siddarth makes a very imp point. A grand coalition etc would be great but without sig and visible Moslem input the message/campaign will not be as effective as it could be. That&#8217;s just the way it is.<br />
I am reminded of the McCarthy sisters and IRA thuggery/criminality. The fact they were Catholic and not Protestant made them very effective campaigners. It of course also helped that they were bloody minded and brave too.<br />
I would add that the climate in Northern Ireland had changed in the wake of a long ceasefire and 9/11. There was less of a willingness within Catholic circles to close ranks. I think it&#8217;s human instinct to side with the tribe when there are tensions/grievances, but as we all know that can lead to a state of denial. Overcoming that takes a long time, unfortunately. So, as Siddarth says, it is important not to be seen as one-sided.<br />
Still, I salute you. Good luck with your efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Siddharth</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5270</link>
		<dc:creator>Siddharth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck to you. But beware of efforts that end up preaching to the converted and the Islamophobes. The 
thing to do would be to make the Muslim community aware of HT without turning them off. Most of the people who join the HT are young impressionable folk who think they are doing something good for the community at large and the Ummah as a whole. Thats the HT oxygen supply and you want to cut that off - not offer more specious anti-Muslim guff.
But you knew that...;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck to you. But beware of efforts that end up preaching to the converted and the Islamophobes. The<br />
thing to do would be to make the Muslim community aware of HT without turning them off. Most of the people who join the HT are young impressionable folk who think they are doing something good for the community at large and the Ummah as a whole. Thats the HT oxygen supply and you want to cut that off &#8211; not offer more specious anti-Muslim guff.<br />
But you knew that&#8230;;-)</p>
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		<title>By: BevanKieran</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5260</link>
		<dc:creator>BevanKieran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siddarth

To expose HT for the wankers they are should be a duty to anyone, irrespective of their race or religion,  concerned enough about anti-semitism, anti-hindu and anti-sikh sentiments, anti-feminism and homophobia. A grand coalition of various societies and departments would be ideal. 

In case you are wondering, I would do the same if the BNP, hinutva extremists were given a platform in my department. (extremely NIMBY) especially when it is  done by societies which should be promoting a positive image of the members they represent.(In this case UCL Islam Soc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siddarth</p>
<p>To expose HT for the wankers they are should be a duty to anyone, irrespective of their race or religion,  concerned enough about anti-semitism, anti-hindu and anti-sikh sentiments, anti-feminism and homophobia. A grand coalition of various societies and departments would be ideal. </p>
<p>In case you are wondering, I would do the same if the BNP, hinutva extremists were given a platform in my department. (extremely NIMBY) especially when it is  done by societies which should be promoting a positive image of the members they represent.(In this case UCL Islam Soc).</p>
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		<title>By: Siddharth</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5252</link>
		<dc:creator>Siddharth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone make it to the Ayaan Hirsi Ali talk at the ICA on Friday? Haven&#039;t read any first hand reports about it yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone make it to the Ayaan Hirsi Ali talk at the ICA on Friday? Haven&#8217;t read any first hand reports about it yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Siddharth</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5247</link>
		<dc:creator>Siddharth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BevanKieran:

Will any Muslims be involved in your &quot;awareness campaign&quot; about the HT? Unless you do these studies tend to be weakened by the perception, real or otherwise, of being one-sided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BevanKieran:</p>
<p>Will any Muslims be involved in your &#8220;awareness campaign&#8221; about the HT? Unless you do these studies tend to be weakened by the perception, real or otherwise, of being one-sided.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5245</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;if I was to initiate an awareness campaign about HuT, what material could I use before I would run the risk of discriminating Muslims in general&lt;/i&gt;

even if you were raising awareness about Muslim groups, that does not in any way run foul of the impending law. In fact you could slate HuT as much as you want and still be fine (as long as you don&#039;t libel or slander in which case they could sue). Your only worry is to incite murder of Muslims, which I&#039;m sure you won&#039;t be doing ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>if I was to initiate an awareness campaign about HuT, what material could I use before I would run the risk of discriminating Muslims in general</i></p>
<p>even if you were raising awareness about Muslim groups, that does not in any way run foul of the impending law. In fact you could slate HuT as much as you want and still be fine (as long as you don&#8217;t libel or slander in which case they could sue). Your only worry is to incite murder of Muslims, which I&#8217;m sure you won&#8217;t be doing <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rohin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5244</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes yes Sid but he was asking about pissing off Muslims so that&#039;s why I mentioned them in particular.

I represent touchy atheists. Insult my lack of God and Darwin will strike you down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes yes Sid but he was asking about pissing off Muslims so that&#8217;s why I mentioned them in particular.</p>
<p>I represent touchy atheists. Insult my lack of God and Darwin will strike you down.</p>
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		<title>By: Siddharth</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5243</link>
		<dc:creator>Siddharth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Criticism of anti-Semitism and sexism is legit. Sure you have to watch your tongue so as not to piss off touchy Muslims&lt;/i&gt;

Only Muslims? Every possible religious and interest group has a touchy contingent that is well represented on PP. I&#039;ve seen run ins with touchy Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Rajputs, Tamils, desi Yanks etc. I, of course represent touchy buddhist muslim smokers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Criticism of anti-Semitism and sexism is legit. Sure you have to watch your tongue so as not to piss off touchy Muslims</i></p>
<p>Only Muslims? Every possible religious and interest group has a touchy contingent that is well represented on PP. I&#8217;ve seen run ins with touchy Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Rajputs, Tamils, desi Yanks etc. I, of course represent touchy buddhist muslim smokers.</p>
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		<title>By: jamal</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5237</link>
		<dc:creator>jamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol @ &quot;chav scum&quot;

whats wrong with moschino?

On the topic though (sunny&#039;s point).  Yes niqab may be different from hijab, but its still not a reason to  ban it as a security measure.  I wonder how many veiled women have been involved in security threats at the uni, or terrorist/intruders posing as veiled women?  If the answer is zero, then why use a measure that infringes religious rights, when employing more security personell would surely do the job.  It all sounds silly to me,  even hoodies dont always cover the face, or cause a person to be unrecognisable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol @ &#8220;chav scum&#8221;</p>
<p>whats wrong with moschino?</p>
<p>On the topic though (sunny&#8217;s point).  Yes niqab may be different from hijab, but its still not a reason to  ban it as a security measure.  I wonder how many veiled women have been involved in security threats at the uni, or terrorist/intruders posing as veiled women?  If the answer is zero, then why use a measure that infringes religious rights, when employing more security personell would surely do the job.  It all sounds silly to me,  even hoodies dont always cover the face, or cause a person to be unrecognisable.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5230</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criticism of anti-Semitism and sexism is legit. Sure you have to watch your tongue so as not to piss off touchy Muslims, but as long as you highlight the bullshit they spout, you shouldn&#039;t be affected by the new law.

Although I still think life would be better without it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criticism of anti-Semitism and sexism is legit. Sure you have to watch your tongue so as not to piss off touchy Muslims, but as long as you highlight the bullshit they spout, you shouldn&#8217;t be affected by the new law.</p>
<p>Although I still think life would be better without it.</p>
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		<title>By: BevanKieran</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5229</link>
		<dc:creator>BevanKieran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose its in the grey areas. For example, if I was to initiate an awareness campaign about HuT, what material could I use before I would run the risk of discriminating Muslims in general. Is criticism of sharia law legitimate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose its in the grey areas. For example, if I was to initiate an awareness campaign about HuT, what material could I use before I would run the risk of discriminating Muslims in general. Is criticism of sharia law legitimate?</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5228</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bevan - how so?

Rohin - shut it :$</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bevan &#8211; how so?</p>
<p>Rohin &#8211; shut it :$</p>
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		<title>By: BevanKieran</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5227</link>
		<dc:creator>BevanKieran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same old hizbie; four wives good, one wife bad malarky. That the  &quot;Muslim world&quot; would be converted into paradise if the caliphate was restored and most amusingly slavery (of the defeated) would be inevitable consequence of successful wars. 

Sunny, in a curious way if both the anti-terror and religous hatred laws are passed, there may be circumstances (in Unis) where the freedom of speech of  extremist religous organisations and those who would criticise them may be both curtailed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same old hizbie; four wives good, one wife bad malarky. That the  &#8220;Muslim world&#8221; would be converted into paradise if the caliphate was restored and most amusingly slavery (of the defeated) would be inevitable consequence of successful wars. </p>
<p>Sunny, in a curious way if both the anti-terror and religous hatred laws are passed, there may be circumstances (in Unis) where the freedom of speech of  extremist religous organisations and those who would criticise them may be both curtailed.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;like that kid in Simpsons&quot;

Pah. You call yourself a fan?! Nelson man, Nelson!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;like that kid in Simpsons&#8221;</p>
<p>Pah. You call yourself a fan?! Nelson man, Nelson!</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5225</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shame!
Ha ha! 

*points at El-Cid and laughs like that kid in Simpsons*

(I used and still wear Moschino :( )

Bevan - That is truly annoying and frustrating. When the new laws about inciting terrorism etc come in I hope this will be a lot easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shame!<br />
Ha ha! </p>
<p>*points at El-Cid and laughs like that kid in Simpsons*</p>
<p>(I used and still wear Moschino <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>Bevan &#8211; That is truly annoying and frustrating. When the new laws about inciting terrorism etc come in I hope this will be a lot easier.</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5223</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of my best friends are public schoolers (!)
I wouldn&#039;t say they were especially cool mind.
But then, like most people, I do have chav tendencies. There, I&#039;ve said it. I&#039;m not ashamed. I&#039;ve watched Eastenders, had a Maccie Ds and worn a Tacchini tracksuit in my youth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of my best friends are public schoolers (!)<br />
I wouldn&#8217;t say they were especially cool mind.<br />
But then, like most people, I do have chav tendencies. There, I&#8217;ve said it. I&#8217;m not ashamed. I&#8217;ve watched Eastenders, had a Maccie Ds and worn a Tacchini tracksuit in my youth.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5174</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah shit Bevan, sorry your admirable efforts didn&#039;t affect the outcome. How did it go?

Two things I wanted to say from ages ago (and not really relevant anymore):

&lt;i&gt;Do I mean public-school-background when I say stuck up?&lt;/i&gt; No I don&#039;t. Public school graduates are cool and you know it. I mean the uni itself being stuck up. Like Imperial thinking they are too good for the NUS (they&#039;re not members) and now they are leaving the University of London. They continually bleat on about how they are too good for everyone else.

&lt;i&gt;And chavs come in all colours.&lt;/i&gt; Whilst Burberry may be more prevalent amongst white chavs, Moschino rules the roost with Asian chavs. Except they may be referred to as RUDEBOYS. Chavs, rudies...all the same to me. Scum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah shit Bevan, sorry your admirable efforts didn&#8217;t affect the outcome. How did it go?</p>
<p>Two things I wanted to say from ages ago (and not really relevant anymore):</p>
<p><i>Do I mean public-school-background when I say stuck up?</i> No I don&#8217;t. Public school graduates are cool and you know it. I mean the uni itself being stuck up. Like Imperial thinking they are too good for the NUS (they&#8217;re not members) and now they are leaving the University of London. They continually bleat on about how they are too good for everyone else.</p>
<p><i>And chavs come in all colours.</i> Whilst Burberry may be more prevalent amongst white chavs, Moschino rules the roost with Asian chavs. Except they may be referred to as RUDEBOYS. Chavs, rudies&#8230;all the same to me. Scum.</p>
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		<title>By: BevanKieran</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/167#comment-5096</link>
		<dc:creator>BevanKieran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
FUCKING LAW OF THE LAND FUCKING OVERIDES UNIVERSITY REGULATIONS.
FUCKING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM TO HATE

Speech went ahead with speaker from Hut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK<br />
FUCKING LAW OF THE LAND FUCKING OVERIDES UNIVERSITY REGULATIONS.<br />
FUCKING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM TO HATE</p>
<p>Speech went ahead with speaker from Hut.</p>
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