The Rather Mixed Open Thread


by Clairwil
26th January, 2008 at 2:05 am    

Hello All,

Another week by and it’s been rather a mixed one. Firstly I was saddened to learn of the death of a fantastic and criminally overlooked blogger Alan Edwards.

We are lucky he’s left us such an archive of gems and his ongoing contribution to the world of blogging will be missed by those of us lucky enough to be familiar with his work.

Moving on to slightly more cheerful matters. I had a rather unconventional Burns Night this year in that I couldn’t lay hands on a vegetarian haggis. Instead I feasted on butter bean enchiladas and very nice they were too. Still I did miss my haggis. The minute they reappear I’m getting my traditional meal of Haggis and Tatties. I omit the neeps because as every child knows they are a thread filled, stringy abomination. I didn’t go through the torment of growing up to start munching on stuff I had the good sense to turn my nose up at as a child.

The above clip is Eddi reader singing Ae Fond Kiss by Robert Burns which fact fans may be delighted to learn is the one song guaranteed to make Clairwil cry -even the strongest armour has it’s chinks. It was also written about a woman who lived about two minutes walk from where
I am now and was by all accounts something of a stunner and one of the few women to spurn the advances of the very attractive Burns.

Right. Enough me. Let’s have the usual nonsense below. Anything controversial or serious will incur my wrath and with the mood I’ve been in this week you really don’t want that.

Cheerio


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  1. Desi Italiana — on 26th January, 2008 at 4:22 am  

    Clairwil, is your real name “Adam Smith?”

    Anyway, I’m pleased that my travel agent finally got back to me so that I could get my plane ticket.

    I just helped a stranger do parallel parking.

    Am moving out from this hell-hole that I call “home,” but I’m rather sad that I am going to be losing “personal space” because I’m staying with a friend until I leave (whom I really really adore, but again, I like being able to sleep when I want, in my own bed, and do things according to my schedule).

  2. Desi Italiana — on 26th January, 2008 at 4:23 am  

    I wonder how popular Singlemuslim.com is. Bet you that it doesn’t beat shaadi.com!

  3. Jai — on 26th January, 2008 at 8:14 pm  

    Full-length trailer for the new movie Jodha Akbar. Bit longer than the version occasionally seen on television.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRyDWVXheL0

    Epic stuff. Hrithik certainly looks the part.

    *****

    Nice mellow romantic song from the film:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryvX8dqdIPo

    This one is new, appears to be connected to the wedding of the two main characters:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dT6DGQAGcQ

    *****

    For the sci-fi fans out there, this is the brand-new official trailer for the impending JJ Abrams-created Star Trek movie. Intriguing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZiR-NETDr0

  4. Kulvinder — on 26th January, 2008 at 10:11 pm  

    I rummaged through Alan Edwards’s blog last year, i think it was a comment of his on your or illman’s site that linked me. Condolences to his family/friends.

  5. Sunny — on 26th January, 2008 at 10:18 pm  

    I’m camping out in front of the PC, as I do anyway every day, to keep track of the american elections today in South Carolina. who’s with me???

  6. Sunny — on 26th January, 2008 at 10:19 pm  

    I had a rather unconventional Burns Night this year in that I couldn’t lay hands on a vegetarian haggis.

    Ehh???

  7. Leon — on 26th January, 2008 at 10:27 pm  

    This weekend I’m taking it easy, been such a long week at work…will be hanging out on LC with Sunny and the live blog (assuming I can stay awake for much longer!) tonight.

    Tomorrow I’m doing more DVD watching/video gaming/music listening in prep for another busy week.

  8. Clairwil — on 27th January, 2008 at 1:52 am  

    I’m not called Adam Smith. I’m a girl and my real name is Jenny.

    Sunny- What baffles you old bean?

  9. Refresh — on 27th January, 2008 at 2:10 am  

    Just watching Obama’s speech – he’s looking the part.

    Some could say it shouldn’t be too difficult after Bush and Hilary.

  10. Refresh — on 27th January, 2008 at 3:03 am  

    Just seen a clip of Hilary coming off her plane. Am I the only one who thinks she’s looking more and more mike Sandy Toksvig?

  11. Don — on 27th January, 2008 at 11:54 am  

    Is this a new format? No ‘recent comments’ listing is a step back.

  12. Rohin — on 27th January, 2008 at 1:23 pm  

    Whoa, what’s going on with the PP look?

  13. Anas — on 27th January, 2008 at 1:47 pm  

    Not liking the new-look Pickled politics site

  14. Jai — on 27th January, 2008 at 2:12 pm  

    I don’t know about you guys, but personally I blame SocGen for the “new look” PP too (just kidding).

    It would be nice to have the preview function back…..

    *************

    Anas,

    Been a while. How’ve you been, buddy ?

    *************

    Rohin,

    No comments on the ST trailer I posted ? I thought you were a bit of a Trekkie (or is my memory playing tricks) ?

    *************

    Sunny,

    Quite a resounding win for Obama. It’s obviously had the requisite impact on his state of mind, going by his manner during his victory speech — he’s very much “back on form” (as the unclejis say).

  15. Anas — on 27th January, 2008 at 3:07 pm  

    I’m well Jai, thanks for asking. Hope things are good with you.

  16. Leon — on 27th January, 2008 at 3:20 pm  

    Um, did someone flick a switch?!

  17. Don — on 27th January, 2008 at 4:10 pm  

    Leon,

    I gather that this is not the desired format, then? Good, it’s horrible.

  18. Don — on 27th January, 2008 at 4:18 pm  

    Hey Jai,

    Apparently Simon Pegg plays Scotty. If anyone deserves to get to play a major ST character, it’s him.

    If you were offered one major movie role in a sequal/prequal/remake, what would it be?

    ( Sufficient talent is assumed.)

    I’ve always rather fancied playing the porter in Macbeth, but that doesn’t count as a major role.

  19. Rohin — on 27th January, 2008 at 4:18 pm  

    Jai I made a comment on the trailer itself! But to re-publish…

    Only one question need be asked:

    Is Data in this movie? If not, it will be toilet.

    Other things I hope it will have:
    Worf talking about death
    Wesley Crusher dying
    Beverly Crusher dying
    Beverly and Wesley Crusher dying in a mother-son suicide pact
    Picard losing the plot
    Picard shouting “Shut up Wesley” at Wesley as he makes a lot of noise dying
    Nemoy cracking funnies
    Kirk repeating his name over and over like Denny Crane “I’m Captain Kirk, I’m Captain Kirk”
    Q, but that’s wishful thinking.

    Whatever happens, we NEED DATA!

    Jai, I have a sinking feeling JJ Abrams will bring the same tosh he brought to Alias and Lost to this. It has all the feel of Enterprise, with nostalgic gestures harking to the golden age of space exploration in the 60s and 70s. FFS, Americans need to get over themselves. They were on to a winner with all the previous series and then suddenly Enterprise is produced like a steaming testament to Americana.

  20. Leon — on 27th January, 2008 at 4:21 pm  

    Don, not that I’m aware! Don’t know what’s happening, just text Sunny to see if this was intentional, awaiting a reply…

  21. Rohin — on 27th January, 2008 at 4:26 pm  

    Sylar from Heroes (Zachary Quinto) is playing Spock.
    Winona Ryder and Eric Bana also star.
    Harold from Harold and Kumar (John Cho) is Sulu (he’s Korean, the Japanese won’t be happy!)

    “If you were offered one major movie role in a sequal/prequal/remake, what would it be?”

    Ooh, good question. This needs some serious thought.

  22. Sid — on 27th January, 2008 at 4:59 pm  

    PP’s new look is sooooooo 2004.

  23. Sunny — on 27th January, 2008 at 5:17 pm  

    YEah I have no idea why that happened. Anytime anything goes wrong with WordPress the damn thing flicks back to the default format. Grr….

    Is it working for everyone now?

  24. Don — on 27th January, 2008 at 5:34 pm  

    Nope.

  25. Sunny — on 27th January, 2008 at 5:34 pm  

    It looks liek if I post something, it reverts back. Grrr…

  26. Sunny — on 27th January, 2008 at 5:34 pm  

    What about now?

  27. Don — on 27th January, 2008 at 5:35 pm  

    Oh, yeah, now we’re back.

    When I hit submit it came back.

  28. Sunny — on 27th January, 2008 at 5:36 pm  

    Bollocks.

  29. Sunny — on 27th January, 2008 at 5:38 pm  

    Right, I’ve renamed my theme ‘defualt’ and got rid of the default one. Now this sucker has nowhere to run.

  30. Don — on 27th January, 2008 at 5:38 pm  

    And back again…

    Heh, I can’t help thinking that at least this is a problem I don’t have to deal with on a Sunday evening.

  31. Don — on 27th January, 2008 at 5:39 pm  

    Oh, wow, now it’s all grey. Whatever next?

  32. Leon — on 27th January, 2008 at 5:40 pm  

    Whoa, don’t know about you guys but the whole page is out of wack, the comments are all oddly centred and the links are all over the place!

  33. Leon — on 27th January, 2008 at 5:45 pm  

    Aha! It’s all back to normal now.:)

  34. Don — on 27th January, 2008 at 5:52 pm  

    No, it isn’t.

  35. Leon — on 27th January, 2008 at 5:56 pm  

    Odd it’s showing ok for me. Trying doing a forced refresh (hold ctrl and press F5) to see if that helps?

  36. Don — on 27th January, 2008 at 5:57 pm  

    Yeah, that worked. So far.

  37. Sunny — on 27th January, 2008 at 6:00 pm  

    Its working for me… lemme know if you people see any issues!

    I have other issues to deal with now :(

  38. Sid — on 27th January, 2008 at 6:05 pm  

    Is it safe to publish a post?

  39. Jai — on 27th January, 2008 at 6:41 pm  

    Anas,

    I’m okay too, bro. Good to have you back here.

    ***************

    Don,

    Very amusing running commentary by you on this thread :)

    If you were offered one major movie role in a sequal/prequal/remake, what would it be?

    Rohin is right, that is one hell of a good question and something I’d have to properly think over. However, off the top of my head, I’d love to play the role of Salim/future Jahangir in a remake of the Indian film “Mughal-e-Azam”. (Google it on wikipedia if you’re unfamiliar with what I’m talking about).

    Regarding prequels……well, this answer is totally influenced by the fact that I just finished reading “The Silmarillion” (the whole LOTR/Middle-Earth universe makes far more sense now, and best of all, no goddamn hobbits involved). Very heavy-going at first, but quite a cracking read towards the end.

    If Peter Jackson & co were going to use this to make prequel movies (which so far they’re not, as it appears they’re going to focus on The Hobbit and a follow-up to fill the gap between that story and the start of LOTR), I’d probably like to play the role of that elf who challenges Morgoth to single combat and dies heroically and nobly. Or Isildur, who also, er, ends up dying after suitable heroic and noble deeds. I dunno, presumably one of the major characters (either elf or human) who winds up dying heroically and nobly.

    On the other hand, I’ll tell you what would be one hell of a meaty role to play — if they made a series of prequels about the rise & fall of Numenor/Atlantis, as depicted in the final sections of The Silmarillion, I think the character of Ar-Pharazon would be brilliant. The story is epic, incredibly dramatic stuff, and the movies would be spectacular. But, tragically, so far it looks like this is not to be.

    Anyway, like Rohin said, I’d have to give your question some proper thought, but this is what has occurred to me so far.

    Although, since we’ve touched upon Star Trek in this thread, I do think Martok from DS9 would be a pretty cool character to play ;) He was a charismatic dude and his personality was defined very well.

  40. Rohin — on 27th January, 2008 at 6:56 pm  

    I think I would play Blade. I’ve got the physique. I often get confused for Wesley.

    Seriously, I’d love to be Michael Corleone, George from Of Mice and Men, Doc from Back to the Future, Mola Ram from Indiana Jones, Anakin Skywalker, Tony Manero from Saturday Night Fever or Gordon Gekko.

    Of course I’d never be able to rival these epic performances. Except Anakin Skywalker, where my foot would be more convincing than Hayden Christensen.

  41. Jai — on 27th January, 2008 at 7:03 pm  

    Don & Rohin,

    Apparently Simon Pegg plays Scotty. If anyone deserves to get to play a major ST character, it’s him.

    It’ll be interesting to see how that works out. I remember reading a while back that Gary Sinise was being considered for the role of McCoy, but obviously they ended up going with someone else. It’s a shame, because he actually would have been a very good match.

    I think Daniel Dae Kim would have been very good as Sulu, too.

    Jai, I have a sinking feeling JJ Abrams will bring the same tosh he brought to Alias and Lost to this. It has all the feel of Enterprise, with nostalgic gestures harking to the golden age of space exploration in the 60s and 70s.

    To be honest with you I actually really enjoyed Alias; Lost was good at first although a bit “directionless” later on. I’m quite intrigued to see what Abrams does to the ST movie; he’s obviously good at “style” but let’s hope the “substance” matches this. From the trailer, like you I also got the impression he’s trying to link the movie to the wonder and excitement of NASA’s most successful period, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that because I think the TV spin-offs veered away from that far too much; I actually thought the first two movies captured that spirit — and what it would be like to live in a genuine space-faring human civilisation 300 years from now — much more than any other parts of the franchise.

    I’m not quite sure how they’re going to link the storyline to both “Kirk & Spock at the Academy” and “the original crew’s first voyages”, considering that it would be wildly unrealistic for command of the Enterprise to be given to bunch of fresh university graduates !

    I do agree with you that the TV series “Enterprise” ended up completely blowing it (unfortunately for Scott Bakula, whom I have nostalgic memories of from his time with Quantum Leap back in the late 80s/early 90s), but it also suffered very badly in comparison with the revamped Battlestar Galactica, because the latter was so much grittier and more adult. Hell, if you saw the recent prequel BSG movie “Razor”, it was about as far from Enterprise as you could get (well, apart from the two “mirror universe” episodes, which I thought were great. Shame the rest of the show didn’t match that). Dark, dark, very complex stuff, and most definitely not for kids.

  42. Sunny — on 27th January, 2008 at 7:06 pm  

    Karate Kid! Hehe

  43. Jai — on 27th January, 2008 at 7:13 pm  

    Rohin,

    re: #40

    Good choice about Anakin, I’d forgotten about that. I think Hayden did okay in the final movie, although I’d always thought they should have given the role to someone much more brooding and with much more gravitas (and I’d always imagined Anakin being dark-haired — being blonde and brooding ain’t easy to pull off, especially if you’re going to end up being voiced by James Earl Jones).

    Oh yes, Don — there’s actually an acclaimed Indian film called “Maqbool” which is a superb remake of “Macbeth”, transposed to a modern-day Indian gangster setting. It was released just a couple of years ago and is widely respected. The same guy behind it recently did an Indian version of “Othello” called “Omkara” (similarly won lots of accolades and also awards), and is now planning a reworking of “Hamlet”.

    An Indian remake of the first Godfather movie has also been done, called “Sarkar”. The father-and-son Bachchan combo in the two main roles did a great job; their portrayals were a bit different to the American version, but they still very much managed to make the roles their own.

  44. Jai — on 27th January, 2008 at 7:16 pm  

    I’d always thought they should have given the role to someone much more brooding and with much more gravitas

    With a deeper and growlier voice too.

    Although, again, having said that, I thought Hayden’s portrayal was much better than in the first two movies. He was suitably belligerent and psychotic by the end.

  45. Jai — on 27th January, 2008 at 7:27 pm  

    being blonde and brooding ain’t easy to pull off

    Unless you’re like (and sound like) Daniel Craig.

  46. El Cid — on 27th January, 2008 at 8:09 pm  

    Jerome Kerviel would be fun to play.

  47. Jai — on 27th January, 2008 at 8:47 pm  

    Oh yes, before I forget — a belated happy Republic Day to all the Indians out there. Jai Hind !

  48. Desi Italiana — on 28th January, 2008 at 3:04 am  

    Clair:

    “I’m not called Adam Smith. I’m a girl and my real name is Jenny.”

    Yeah, but that’s not what the spammy pingbacks said!

  49. Don — on 28th January, 2008 at 6:38 am  

    It’s gone all funny again.

  50. Ravi Naik — on 28th January, 2008 at 10:29 am  

    I don’t think the guys behind the Star Trek franchise have a clue about how to keep the series fresh and appealing. Gene Roddenberry – the creator of Star Trek – was bold enough to kick Kirk and Spock out, and created “The New Generation”, which incorporated fresh futuristic ideas such as the holodeck and rejuvenated the series again.

    Since he died, the franchise has gone downhill. How many movies about Kirk and Spock do you need to do? And “Enterprise”? What is so appealing about that?

    The next Star Trek needs to be in a distant future, probably 200-500 years after Picard. And the series need to depict our projection of the future from the technology we have in 2008.

  51. Jai — on 28th January, 2008 at 6:43 pm  

    Ravi, you’re right about ST having run out of steam, which is why I’m curious to see what JJ Abrams does with the movie.

    I remember that the idea of having a series focusing on the Klingons was bandied about prior to Enterprise. I can’t recall exactly why they didn’t go ahead with that, but I think it had something to do with costume and makeup costs being too high. It’s a shame, because towards the end of TNG and particularly by the 4th series of DS9, they’d developed the Klingon angle enough to make a spin-off a pretty good idea — you can imagine what a rowdy, dynamic and macho vibe it could have, since they wouldn’t be constrained by some of the more PC “human” values. DS9 in particular had a lot of well-rounded Klingon characters and had gone into enough detail about their culture, although the later seasons of Voyager did so too (to a more limited extent).

    Regarding your suggestions about setting the next part of the franchise further into the future, it has been touched upon in both Voyager and Enterprise, although both storylines involved timetravel and didn’t focus on the same part of the Federation’s future.

    What would be a great idea, though, would be to have the next series set in the “mirror universe”. DS9 had a brilliant dystopian interpretation of it, as you may know. Or they could keep it in the “real” universe and have the Federation collapsing for some reason, which would provide ample material for allegories with our own world and a more grittier theme, both in the same vein as the revamped BSG.

  52. Jai — on 28th January, 2008 at 6:49 pm  

    Don,

    I’ve had a little think about which movie characters it would be fun to play; in addition to my previous answer and some of Rohin’s suggestions, I think the following would be cool:

    - Al Pacino in Carlito’s Way.
    - Pierce Brosnan in The Thomas Crown Affair.
    - George Clooney in Out of Sight.
    - Laurence Fishburne in Deep Cover.
    - Maybe Wesley Snipes as Nino Brown in New Jack City.
    - Darth Vader in any prequels/sequels in-between Revenge of the Sith and Star Wars IV – A New Hope.
    - Khan in Star Trek.

    Also, last but definitely not least, James Bond.

  53. Don — on 28th January, 2008 at 7:05 pm  

    Jai,

    You get one role, not a career!

  54. Jai — on 28th January, 2008 at 7:18 pm  

    Don,

    Mix all of those roles together into one single character, and you have a typical all-out Bollywood blockbuster, circa 1981 !

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