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		<title>By: usy izzani faizti</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-206593</link>
		<dc:creator>usy izzani faizti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @pickledpolitics Pickled Politics » Is England a nation for whites only? http://bit.ly/HmHzA&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @pickledpolitics Pickled Politics » Is England a nation for whites only? <a href="http://bit.ly/HmHzA" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/HmHzA</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Chocolate</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-107653</link>
		<dc:creator>Chocolate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Grimbits, 
what right do you have to talk about &quot;brown people&quot;  like that? have you heard of racism? i suggest you look it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Grimbits,<br />
what right do you have to talk about &#8220;brown people&#8221;  like that? have you heard of racism? i suggest you look it up.</p>
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		<title>By: john Grimbits</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-98886</link>
		<dc:creator>john Grimbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nazi culture was superior to multi-cultures/ ism

and achieved much more, is in fact the basis for the modern world

britian  / europe needs to be kept white or it will fail

bad news for all the enthnics in asia as well

let us all hope the fatherland isn&#039;t distroyed by culture</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nazi culture was superior to multi-cultures/ ism</p>
<p>and achieved much more, is in fact the basis for the modern world</p>
<p>britian  / europe needs to be kept white or it will fail</p>
<p>bad news for all the enthnics in asia as well</p>
<p>let us all hope the fatherland isn&#8217;t distroyed by culture</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-98511</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desi Italiana,

Cool.

I think you have done an admirable thing. Going off to Nepal is completely amazing. I have nothing but admiration for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desi Italiana,</p>
<p>Cool.</p>
<p>I think you have done an admirable thing. Going off to Nepal is completely amazing. I have nothing but admiration for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-98510</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas:

&quot;And, what, Iâ€™m supposed to dislike you? And you express â€œloveâ€. Iâ€™d be a fool to reject any love pointed my way.&quot;

I never implied that you would cringe if I called you &quot;jaan&quot;...

&quot;Maybe, and Iâ€™m supposed to be worried? That miscegination would be oh, so good. I have no problem with that. If you want to alienate me, youâ€™ll need to do better.

I was being sassy, in light of my responses to Grimbits :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas:</p>
<p>&#8220;And, what, Iâ€™m supposed to dislike you? And you express â€œloveâ€. Iâ€™d be a fool to reject any love pointed my way.&#8221;</p>
<p>I never implied that you would cringe if I called you &#8220;jaan&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe, and Iâ€™m supposed to be worried? That miscegination would be oh, so good. I have no problem with that. If you want to alienate me, youâ€™ll need to do better.</p>
<p>I was being sassy, in light of my responses to Grimbits <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-98509</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desi Italiana,

â€œJaan/jaanamâ€ would be the English equivalent of â€œlove,â€ as in â€œmy love.â€

And, what, I&#039;m supposed to dislike you? And you express &quot;love&quot;. I&#039;d be a fool to reject any love pointed my way.

&lt;blockquote&gt;because pretty soon, England is going to be all brown!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe, and I&#039;m supposed to be worried? That miscegination would be oh, so good. I have no problem with that. If you want to alienate me, you&#039;ll need to do better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desi Italiana,</p>
<p>â€œJaan/jaanamâ€ would be the English equivalent of â€œlove,â€ as in â€œmy love.â€</p>
<p>And, what, I&#8217;m supposed to dislike you? And you express &#8220;love&#8221;. I&#8217;d be a fool to reject any love pointed my way.</p>
<blockquote><p>because pretty soon, England is going to be all brown!</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe, and I&#8217;m supposed to be worried? That miscegination would be oh, so good. I have no problem with that. If you want to alienate me, you&#8217;ll need to do better.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-98506</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas,

&quot;Whoâ€™s Jaan?&quot;

&quot;Jaan/jaanam&quot; would be the English equivalent of &quot;love,&quot; as in &quot;my love.&quot;

You better learn these Hindi/Urdu words fast, because pretty soon, England is going to be all brown!

All brown!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas,</p>
<p>&#8220;Whoâ€™s Jaan?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Jaan/jaanam&#8221; would be the English equivalent of &#8220;love,&#8221; as in &#8220;my love.&#8221;</p>
<p>You better learn these Hindi/Urdu words fast, because pretty soon, England is going to be all brown!</p>
<p>All brown!</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-98504</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Desi Italiana, in response to this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Jaan, careful of saying that. Making cyber alliances is all good, but should not be taken seriously because then you have to deal with passive-aggressive and back-handed comments when your â€œfriendâ€ feels indignantly slighted by your comments because he/she wasnâ€™t â€œexpectingâ€ you to post a certain thing. And then a whole thread gets ruined because of personal insults, etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;So far, so good.&quot;

.............----.........

Who&#039;s Jaan?

What is this passive-aggressive thing of which you speak? Perhaps we could fall out about that? Or maybe not?

I don&#039;t know if you remember our first few sallies on here, but we were reading from different scripts. Seems we are reading from similar ones now. Long may it continue, although I&#039;d expect a chum to tell me when I am wrong and I&#039;d expect a chum not to get all huffy when I did the same, and vice versa, obviously. Which is a bit different from your characterisation of web friends. It&#039;s worked for me in the past.

Rumbold and I are hardly bedfellows, but I respect everything he says. Meaning that I listen to what he says, engage brain and either go, yeah Rumbold or, naw Rumbold. Sometimes the arguement that follows the latter, changes my mind. That is what I call a &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt; web relationship.

Oh, I do so hope you have a web connection. You&#039;d be sadly missed, and not just by me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Desi Italiana, in response to this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Jaan, careful of saying that. Making cyber alliances is all good, but should not be taken seriously because then you have to deal with passive-aggressive and back-handed comments when your â€œfriendâ€ feels indignantly slighted by your comments because he/she wasnâ€™t â€œexpectingâ€ you to post a certain thing. And then a whole thread gets ruined because of personal insults, etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;So far, so good.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.&#8212;-&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s Jaan?</p>
<p>What is this passive-aggressive thing of which you speak? Perhaps we could fall out about that? Or maybe not?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you remember our first few sallies on here, but we were reading from different scripts. Seems we are reading from similar ones now. Long may it continue, although I&#8217;d expect a chum to tell me when I am wrong and I&#8217;d expect a chum not to get all huffy when I did the same, and vice versa, obviously. Which is a bit different from your characterisation of web friends. It&#8217;s worked for me in the past.</p>
<p>Rumbold and I are hardly bedfellows, but I respect everything he says. Meaning that I listen to what he says, engage brain and either go, yeah Rumbold or, naw Rumbold. Sometimes the arguement that follows the latter, changes my mind. That is what I call a <i>good</i> web relationship.</p>
<p>Oh, I do so hope you have a web connection. You&#8217;d be sadly missed, and not just by me.</p>
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		<title>By: john grimbits</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-98499</link>
		<dc:creator>john grimbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>trolls are never more serious that when they are spoofing!

ethnic culture at the door that is</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trolls are never more serious that when they are spoofing!</p>
<p>ethnic culture at the door that is</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-98491</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nepal? I am hoping youâ€™ll blog from there.&quot;

If I have an internet connection, then yes :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nepal? I am hoping youâ€™ll blog from there.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I have an internet connection, then yes <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-98490</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Please do not respond to trolls such as John Grimbits.&quot;

Oh, stop :) Trolls can give comic relief. It&#039;s obvious that &quot;Grimbits&quot; (what an apt handle!) is spoofing.

&quot;I think, after a pretty rocky start, that you and I are friends.&quot;

Jaan, careful of saying that. Making cyber alliances is all good, but should not be taken seriously because then you have to deal with passive-aggressive and back-handed comments when your &quot;friend&quot; feels indignantly slighted by your comments because he/she wasn&#039;t &quot;expecting&quot; you to post a certain thing. And then a whole thread gets ruined because of personal insults, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Please do not respond to trolls such as John Grimbits.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, stop <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Trolls can give comic relief. It&#8217;s obvious that &#8220;Grimbits&#8221; (what an apt handle!) is spoofing.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think, after a pretty rocky start, that you and I are friends.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jaan, careful of saying that. Making cyber alliances is all good, but should not be taken seriously because then you have to deal with passive-aggressive and back-handed comments when your &#8220;friend&#8221; feels indignantly slighted by your comments because he/she wasn&#8217;t &#8220;expecting&#8221; you to post a certain thing. And then a whole thread gets ruined because of personal insults, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-98486</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desi Italiana,

I am white. I am British. Please do not respond to trolls such as John Grimbits. He is an out and out wind up merchant, and speaks not a word that I, or most folk I know, would agree with. He is a tit.

I think, after a pretty rocky start, that you and I are friends. Which is frankly more important than John fucking Grimbits, is it not?

Nepal? I am hoping you&#039;ll blog from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desi Italiana,</p>
<p>I am white. I am British. Please do not respond to trolls such as John Grimbits. He is an out and out wind up merchant, and speaks not a word that I, or most folk I know, would agree with. He is a tit.</p>
<p>I think, after a pretty rocky start, that you and I are friends. Which is frankly more important than John fucking Grimbits, is it not?</p>
<p>Nepal? I am hoping you&#8217;ll blog from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a fourth English Riech what an ace idea!&quot;

Yeah, I&#039;m sure you&#039;d think that.

&quot;and dont forget to leave the enthnic stuff at the gates thank you very much.
uber und aus!&quot;

Why, you certainly are one silly aadmi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a fourth English Riech what an ace idea!&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d think that.</p>
<p>&#8220;and dont forget to leave the enthnic stuff at the gates thank you very much.<br />
uber und aus!&#8221;</p>
<p>Why, you certainly are one silly aadmi.</p>
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		<title>By: john grimbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>john grimbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a fourth English Riech what an ace idea!
Something we could all believe in.
Well would have to be &#039;german&#039; any of you mind
speaking germany and wearing laderdosen etc
not me!
See you all in Val Halla
i&#039;ll blag my way in say i had an acident
and dont forget to leave the enthnic stuff at the gates thank you very much.
uber und aus!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a fourth English Riech what an ace idea!<br />
Something we could all believe in.<br />
Well would have to be &#8216;german&#8217; any of you mind<br />
speaking germany and wearing laderdosen etc<br />
not me!<br />
See you all in Val Halla<br />
i&#8217;ll blag my way in say i had an acident<br />
and dont forget to leave the enthnic stuff at the gates thank you very much.<br />
uber und aus!</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-98444</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s really mean that people are making fun of Grimbit&#039;s English, whether he/she is a troll or not. Very snobby, and not very nice. Maybe it&#039;s not his/her mother tongue.


But his/her atrocious and racist views whereby he/she aspires for a Fourth Reich in England is well worth making fun of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s really mean that people are making fun of Grimbit&#8217;s English, whether he/she is a troll or not. Very snobby, and not very nice. Maybe it&#8217;s not his/her mother tongue.</p>
<p>But his/her atrocious and racist views whereby he/she aspires for a Fourth Reich in England is well worth making fun of.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-98443</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grimbits:

&quot;a weak white England is bad news.&quot;

Oh, don&#039;t worry, sweetie. When the browns take over England, it will be ten times stronger! Maybe not a &quot;strong white England,&quot; but a strong England nonetheless.

Smooches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grimbits:</p>
<p>&#8220;a weak white England is bad news.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, don&#8217;t worry, sweetie. When the browns take over England, it will be ten times stronger! Maybe not a &#8220;strong white England,&#8221; but a strong England nonetheless.</p>
<p>Smooches.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-98442</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ravi,

How many white Brits do you think bite at either message? I&#039;m pretty sure it&#039;s a small minority. A &lt;i&gt;decreasing&lt;/i&gt; minority, to boot!

As a man, which trumps all other understanding, a hot chick is a hot chick, no matter what her race is. I&#039;d assume it works for women too.

So miscegenation is bloody well inevitable.

Which is a good thing. Not something to be feared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ravi,</p>
<p>How many white Brits do you think bite at either message? I&#8217;m pretty sure it&#8217;s a small minority. A <i>decreasing</i> minority, to boot!</p>
<p>As a man, which trumps all other understanding, a hot chick is a hot chick, no matter what her race is. I&#8217;d assume it works for women too.</p>
<p>So miscegenation is bloody well inevitable.</p>
<p>Which is a good thing. Not something to be feared.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert Preast</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-98435</link>
		<dc:creator>Bert Preast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I do think that this sort of message is far more dangerous than Gibsonâ€™s racist message, because it appeals to sections of the mainstream, specially those - as you point out - are unable to make it in OUR society&quot;

Ravi totally giving the game away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I do think that this sort of message is far more dangerous than Gibsonâ€™s racist message, because it appeals to sections of the mainstream, specially those &#8211; as you point out &#8211; are unable to make it in OUR society&#8221;</p>
<p>Ravi totally giving the game away.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi Naik</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1655#comment-98428</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Naik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The reason for doing this is that these â€˜argumentsâ€™ are out and about and quite well written and therefore potentially influential on others, especially younger citizens and students - especially now if as a result of the recession they are educated but unemployed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fair enough. However, I feel that comments like Gibson&#039;s actually do not help the racist cause. Words like &quot;hate&quot; and even &quot;racism&quot; have been thrown out of the neo-racist narrative. Why? Because people - even the most prejudiced ones - do not want to be associated with hate, racism, skinheads and neo-nazis. The term &#039;racist&#039; has such a negative connotation, that they themselves have adopted their own politically correct term - &quot;racialists&quot;. 

So what does the racialist narrative (BNP, etc) say? That they don&#039;t hate other races, so they cannot possibly be racists. They just love their race, and thus they want to preserve it against genocide (they actually use that term), and thus the real racists are those who are not opposed to miscegenation. 

I do think that this sort of message is far more dangerous than Gibson&#039;s racist message, because it appeals to sections of the mainstream, specially those - as you point out - are unable to make it in our society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The reason for doing this is that these â€˜argumentsâ€™ are out and about and quite well written and therefore potentially influential on others, especially younger citizens and students &#8211; especially now if as a result of the recession they are educated but unemployed.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fair enough. However, I feel that comments like Gibson&#8217;s actually do not help the racist cause. Words like &#8220;hate&#8221; and even &#8220;racism&#8221; have been thrown out of the neo-racist narrative. Why? Because people &#8211; even the most prejudiced ones &#8211; do not want to be associated with hate, racism, skinheads and neo-nazis. The term &#8216;racist&#8217; has such a negative connotation, that they themselves have adopted their own politically correct term &#8211; &#8220;racialists&#8221;. </p>
<p>So what does the racialist narrative (BNP, etc) say? That they don&#8217;t hate other races, so they cannot possibly be racists. They just love their race, and thus they want to preserve it against genocide (they actually use that term), and thus the real racists are those who are not opposed to miscegenation. </p>
<p>I do think that this sort of message is far more dangerous than Gibson&#8217;s racist message, because it appeals to sections of the mainstream, specially those &#8211; as you point out &#8211; are unable to make it in our society.</p>
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		<title>By: Sofia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops i meant yup totally to john joking around, not referring to ravi..:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops i meant yup totally to john joking around, not referring to ravi..:)</p>
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