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by Al-Hack
21st November, 2005 at 5:34 pm    

The Guardian has a list of ‘offensive’ words on TV that are used as a guideline by some people. Here are some examples relevant to our esteemed readers.

  • Twat
    Very polarising; female sexual anatomy word; offensive esp. to British Asian females and some women from other groups, but many esp. men think it is an everyday word and quite mild
  • Chi-chi man
    This is part of a group of words where you can insult people because of their sexual orientation; and seen as quite offensive by the African-Caribbean parent group, and potentially (if used aggressively) by the younger African-Caribbean males. Hardly anyone else knew what this word meant.
    [been told some Africans also use 'cha-cha man' to refer derogatorily to Asians]
  • Punani
    Many are not sure what this word means; African-Caribbean groups and British Asians do know it and think it is offensive. Somewhat less offensive than cunt. Used in Ali G, became less offensive because he uses it.
  • Wanker
    Quite offensive to British Asian women and older men, but for most it is quite mild – equivalent to ‘tosser’
  • Paki
    Racial abuse which is generally considered very offensive. Not offensive to some if taken into ‘ownership’ by British Asians/Pakistanis and used peer to peer. However, some (white) people think it is non-offensive to talk about going to the Paki.
    Which ones are offensive to you, and would you not have them on TV?

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  1. shihab — on 21st November, 2005 at 5:57 pm  

    only a twatty wanker would put paki on the same list as punani. racial abuse and playground jibes are not even in the same ballpark

  2. Vikrant — on 21st November, 2005 at 6:12 pm  

    ditto… though only Paki is “offensive” word here, but atleast i’ve got used to being called a “Paki” at school to the point that its become acceptable.

    BTW why are Asian females being singled out for sensitivity .Havent they covered the feminists?

  3. Vikrant — on 21st November, 2005 at 6:13 pm  

    Oh got the point… you’ve put up words which ar relevant to asians from the list.. nevermind my last point.

  4. Having looked at the list of offensive words, most of which the Guardian tried to dismiss as ‘mild,’ I find myself thinking that, if I look into things, it’s not the words that I find offensive, but the sentiments behind them. This is something upon which political correctness and censorship continues to fail to act. Words to put people down and estrange can change, and be replaced by slang or even by PC-friendly descriptions, but censoring, or even totally removing the words from the pool of our speech, won’t remove the racism, the rancour, the intolerance and the emotional violence in the people who use some of the words that the Guardian listed. Those are the real problems, not a few differing syllables.

  5. Soniyeh — on 21st November, 2005 at 7:29 pm  

    What IS punani?

  6. sonia — on 21st November, 2005 at 7:50 pm  

    im confused as to why so many are offensive to british asian women! is that because they are fussy..or someone thought it might be offensive to them??

    anyway, none of these are really offensive. they’re just words after all. words by themselves can never be offensive. it depends why the words are being used..

  7. Bikhair — on 21st November, 2005 at 8:42 pm  

    I havent spent enough to in Britian to make a comment but what I really hate about some sectors of American soceity is how casual people use bad language. It is even more distasteful coming out the mouth of an adult. I can count on my right hand with three missing fingers how many times I have heard my mother say the f-word.

    Where are the good ol’ days?

  8. sonia — on 21st November, 2005 at 9:00 pm  

    what’s the big deal buddy? If people are saying it they’re just being honest.

  9. shihab — on 21st November, 2005 at 9:03 pm  

    Fuck is a very liberating word. If I couldn’t say it mt life would be meaningless.

    Happy: fucking great
    Distressed: fuck!
    Bored: Ah fuck it

    No other word satisfies.

    One day, I’ll fuck for real and I think that might be fun also

  10. Mirax — on 21st November, 2005 at 9:09 pm  

    I can count on my right hand with three missing fingers how many times I have heard my mother say the f-word.

    I can well imagine at least one of those occasions,Bikhair…

  11. Ramiie — on 21st November, 2005 at 9:44 pm  

    punani is to vagina as cracked is to something’s that’s..er cracked, I suppose

  12. Ramiie — on 21st November, 2005 at 9:48 pm  

    Famous usage of the verb : To Fuck

    “I’m fucking dreading our gas bill” – Adolf Hitler

  13. Robert — on 21st November, 2005 at 10:12 pm  

    I once got into trouble for writing that Tony Blair was a stupid Cnut. People thought I was being vulgar until they realised I was alluding to the Olde Danish King who tried to command the tide on the English Channel to stay out.

    And I would also like to second the question regarding why some words are offensive to Asian women, and old people, and not to everyone else. Is it because certain concepts (e.g. masturbation) are taboo in these sections of society? Or because of they consider the entymology of the word (e.g twat) to be somehow derogatory?

    Sunny – what words are acceptable here on Pickled Politics? I know “fuck” is fair game, and that “Paki” depends on the user and usee… Somehow I think that c**t would get censored. But what about King Cnut?

  14. Robert — on 21st November, 2005 at 10:16 pm  

    punani is to vagina as cracked is to something’s that’s..er cracked, I suppose

    What, so ‘Punani’ is an adjective?

  15. El Cid — on 21st November, 2005 at 10:46 pm  

    I’ve always wondered what a partial c**t was.
    I know what a complete one is: someone who thought Ramiie’s gas joke was funny.
    My favourite new swear word is banchoad.

  16. Old Pickler — on 21st November, 2005 at 10:48 pm  

    Paki is offensive, unless being used by someone of Pakinstani origin in a jokey way, in which case it is OK. A Pakistani friend once said that I could call him a Paki if he could call me a stupid Northern git. It was a deal. We’ve been insulting each other ever since, with no harm done.

    All the other words are fine.

  17. David T — on 21st November, 2005 at 10:57 pm  

    Having read the original Media Guardian article, I would be interested to know whether readers believe that “Jesus Shitting Christ” is more offensive than “Jesus Fucking Christ”.

    It would be useful to have some sense of the ordinal ranking of these two terms.

  18. David T — on 21st November, 2005 at 11:02 pm  

    I love the way that the phrase “Bastard God” was thought possibly to be offensive, but nobody had ever heard it used.

    Having googled the term “Bastard God”, it does indeed appear to be almost entirely unused.

  19. shihab — on 21st November, 2005 at 11:53 pm  

    Personally, I’d rather hear ‘jesus cnuting christ’, then ‘have you found jesus in your life?’

  20. Al-Hack — on 22nd November, 2005 at 12:08 am  

    I love that guy on Oxford st who keeps going on about embracing Jesus and “be a winner not a sinner”. David T you should ask him what he would rate more highly. He’d probably die of shockk. Which would be a loss to Oxford st.

  21. Bikhair — on 22nd November, 2005 at 1:16 am  

    Mirax,

    “I can well imagine at least one of those occasions,Bikhair…”

    For your information I am my mother’s favorite child.

  22. Ben — on 22nd November, 2005 at 1:16 am  

    He’s very strange that Oxford St. guy. He was at Paddington last night handing out leaflets. He must be quite famous to most people who spend time in central London. I got into a conversation with him once about religion and I told him I was an atheist. He looked very sad and told me I was going to go to hell. And then he did indeed say “be a winner, not a sinner”. I’m not sure he’s actually capable of theological debate…

  23. Sunny — on 22nd November, 2005 at 1:28 am  

    Ben – I’m not sure he’s actually capable of theological debate…
    Lol – well that applies to most people who preach. They don’t want to debate, they want to convince you of the superiority of their way of thinking.

  24. Sunny — on 22nd November, 2005 at 1:55 am  

    Admittedly, the big trend in this list seems to be that British Asian women find quite a lot of words offensive. Which, actually, isn’t that surprising. So. Ahem… nothing to see here, move long!

  25. shihab — on 22nd November, 2005 at 2:29 am  

    As someone who works in an Asian woman’s industry, I must say I come across more women (and this is a very third generation thing) who wax lyrical about apparently taboo topics such as periods, bonking in toilets and turn the air blue when scorned by some dicksplash, while the men wince like twats.

  26. Bikhair — on 22nd November, 2005 at 2:42 am  

    Pickled Politics,

    Most of you people are perverts with no class. Is there anything wrong with the public sqaure being free of what should otherwise be kept indoors among adults or socially deformed ghetto rats?

    Are there children or elders around when you phonies are hurling your verbal vomit? Dont they deserve a society which respects thier youth or prudence?

    Shame it takes an ass backword Saudi funded Salafi/Wahhabi to tell you morons this.

  27. Sunny — on 22nd November, 2005 at 3:03 am  

    Shame it takes an ass backword Saudi funded Salafi/Wahhabi to tell you morons this.

    No it doesn’t, and we don’t need to be told anything on this matter. This is a bit of fun and if you can’t see it as such Bikhair, that is not our problem.

  28. Mirax — on 22nd November, 2005 at 4:37 am  

    Shame it takes an ass backword Saudi funded Salafi/Wahhabi to tell you morons this.

    It is at moments like this I am convinced that Bikhair is not all she seems…

  29. Inquisitor — on 22nd November, 2005 at 4:56 am  

    Just a thought,

    I wonder…does the word ‘tosser’ or ‘wanker’ thive on perspectives inherited from the prudish Victorian age that viewed sexual licentiousness as, well, licentious?

    It’s too often that words thrive on meanings that made sense in a previous era. Such meanings or perspectives may give rise to other perspectives that in turn give birth to such words in the present times.

    Whilst such words might take on new meanings even though the past perspectives may be irrelevant, the usage of these words might perpetuate the perspectives that gave rise to them in new and disguised forms. That is why, for instance, political correctness might be worth observing lest we perpetuate the perspectival ailments of the past in new forms in the present.

    If you think about, if we were of a personality that really respected women, unlike the past or the present, words such as ‘bitch’, ‘whore’, ‘slag’, etc’, would not be used in the present without making us flinch uncomfortably. That indicates that the perspectives of the patriarchal past are alive and well in mutated forms in the present.

  30. David T — on 22nd November, 2005 at 9:26 am  

    Oh, I love the Winner not a Sinner man. Although I preferred the Protein=Passion fellow, who thought that eating meat and beans caused sexual promiscuity. He also thought that lustful thoughts resulted from “too much sitting”

    Bikhair: What’s you’re catchphrase or gimimick?

  31. Siddharth — on 22nd November, 2005 at 10:18 am  

    I hate the word ‘nigger’. Unless used by one man on another white man, in which case it takes on the patina of respectability.

  32. j0nz — on 22nd November, 2005 at 10:59 am  

    Cuacasian / white is highly offensive. When describing my race please use the term Those Who Cannot Be Named. Or just call me a cracker-ass honkey.

  33. mellow — on 22nd November, 2005 at 11:10 am  

    The thing about Asian women finding everything offensive is interesting. From what I;ve seen they can dish it out alot harsher than alot of guys i know.
    I will go out and call an Asian woman a wanker and see if she’s offended, dont think I’ve ever called any woman a wanker.
    Always thought calling women ‘bastard’ with a northern accent hilarious, ever since the classic line ‘your mams a bastid as well’ in the movie Rita, Sue and Bob Too.

  34. j0nz — on 22nd November, 2005 at 11:16 am  

    I always think ‘bloody bastard’ is hilarious ever since East is East. Bloody bastard wife! Bloody bastard children! Bloody bastard house! – though of course it has to be said in the correct accent

  35. Mahrajah Ranjit Singh — on 22nd November, 2005 at 11:20 am  

    jOnz

    You’re not a cracker ass honkey. You’re a wailing white boy with an Islam obsession and a persecution complex

    ;-)

  36. Maharajah Ranjit Singh — on 22nd November, 2005 at 11:26 am  

    I think in their focus group they probably used a bunch of socially conservative, maybe religious, Asian women, who objected to every word, and they extrapolated the usual reductive bollocks from that.

  37. Vikrant — on 22nd November, 2005 at 12:04 pm  

    Nothing gives satidfaction like swearing in pukka Cockney.

  38. El Cid — on 22nd November, 2005 at 12:16 pm  

    Bikhair,
    I swear like a trooper — whether in English, Spanish, London-wannabe-Jamaican or, now that I have discovered ‘banchoad’, Urdu.
    But as the father of three beautiful kids, part of me sympathises with some of your sentiment. In part this thread is very vulgar, annoying even.
    BUT, you can’t have failed to have noticed the degree of self-control after David T’s JC comments (No. 17 ). I mean, no one was tempted to change one prophet’s name for another. I wonder why that was?
    Maybe that is what you were worried about when you made comment #25.

  39. sonia — on 22nd November, 2005 at 12:58 pm  

    well where is the evidence that british women find these words offensive? are you judging that on the basis of the british asian women you have met so far? ( heh he Maharajah – interesting point)

    perhaps if some british asian women came onto this blog we’d find out! I don’t see why we all have to put into a box..

    People generally seem to have an opinion that british asian women are conservative. perhaps some are, i would say they are like everyone else, some are conservative and some aren’t! However i think asian societies like to fool themselves that ‘their’ women are somehow more modest or sth. There is clearly an ‘ownership’ issue – which is pretty traditional – my woman’s honour and all that sort of nonsense – that underlies for example ..this silly scandal about that poor woman sania mirza and what she wears. i thought the mullahs saying oh you will lead muslim women astray – was hilarious. why do they think they know if they’re astray or not? like anyone’s going to go tell them.

    anyway – sorry to go on – but seems there like a lot of generalizations about ‘asian women’.. about.

  40. j0nz — on 22nd November, 2005 at 12:59 pm  

    Mahrajah Ranjit Singh

    Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get me. Somebody I knew form work got blown up on 7/7. She could only be identified by her dental records. It could easily have been me or one of my other colleagues.

    As soon as the Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, or Secularists start attacking European transport ystems, then I’ll start worrying about their ideologies.

    Every day people commit atrocities in the name of Islam. I know you meant it as a tongue in cheek comment, but please wake up & smell the bacon!

    Since 9/11 Islamists have carried out 3290 attacks in the name of submission to Islam.

  41. Maharajah Ranjit Singh — on 22nd November, 2005 at 1:22 pm  

    jOnz

    Actually, cracker ass honkey sounds good to me ;-)

  42. j0nz — on 22nd November, 2005 at 1:23 pm  

    lol

  43. Maharajah Ranjit Singh — on 22nd November, 2005 at 1:24 pm  

    The best cussing in the world is in Punjabi. Something leads me to believe that the ‘Asian women’ interviewed in the focus groups were some precious conservative types.

    Should have got some Jatti’s from Wolverhampton to turn the air blue in their conversations.

    Bunch of bhenchod’s.

  44. El Cid — on 22nd November, 2005 at 1:27 pm  

    oooh, is that the correct spelling?

  45. j0nz — on 22nd November, 2005 at 1:31 pm  

    bhenchod’s

    I know that word! Doesn’t it mean motherf****?

  46. El Cid — on 22nd November, 2005 at 1:32 pm  

    thought it was sister….

  47. Maharajah Ranjit Singh — on 22nd November, 2005 at 1:53 pm  

    Bhenchod is Sister-Fucker

    Maaderchod is Mother-Fucker

  48. j0nz — on 22nd November, 2005 at 1:55 pm  

    Arr chodding hell

  49. bananabrain — on 22nd November, 2005 at 2:49 pm  

    I’m fucking dreading our gas bill” – Adolf Hitler
    is that supposed to be funny? because it really isn’t.

    b’shalom

    bananabrain

  50. Maharajah Ranjit Singh — on 22nd November, 2005 at 3:03 pm  

    Yeah I agree that Hitler joke was rubbish – if you’re going to make a sick joke about the holocaust at least make it funny to redeem your worthless bad taste.

  51. j0nz — on 22nd November, 2005 at 3:08 pm  

    I know a sick joke about the holocaust…Funnily enough I heard that from a Muslim too. Who’d of thunk it?!

  52. j0nz — on 22nd November, 2005 at 3:10 pm  

    Not a very nice Muslim, I hasten to add.

  53. Bikhair — on 22nd November, 2005 at 5:52 pm  

    Bananabrain,

    What else do you expect from these socalled Progressive Asian Muslims? Do you think they know how to disntinguish between good and evil?

  54. Bikhair — on 22nd November, 2005 at 5:53 pm  

    Jonz,

    And when you say “Not a very nice Muslim, I hasten to add,” what exactly do you mean by that? What makes a Muslim nice?

  55. Vikrant — on 22nd November, 2005 at 6:23 pm  

    Maharajah Ranjit Singh darn … you r running around teaching goras the forbidden words. That takes out my sewaring advantage!

  56. Sunny — on 22nd November, 2005 at 6:24 pm  

    What makes a Muslim nice?
    The point is being anti-semitic does not make them nice.

  57. Vikrant — on 22nd November, 2005 at 6:32 pm  

    darn the typos…
    Sunny could you put up the handy “edit your posts” button?

  58. The Don — on 22nd November, 2005 at 6:47 pm  

    Bikhair

    One wanker, whom I don’t recall posting before, makes a stupid joke and is called on it. You choose to present this as evidence that the people here can’t tell good from evil? Dishonest or stupid.

    For the first and (if there were a God, I would pray) only time I agree with you; it is not appropriate for a gentleman to swear in front of children, the elderly or women (except in particular, intimate situations). But this thread is about swearing, so why are you here?

    I get the impression that the posters here can tell good from evil, and are reaching a concensus on your unhealthy worldview.

    BTW, your mum used the f-word twice? I trust you informed the religious police.

  59. Vikrant — on 22nd November, 2005 at 6:57 pm  

    The british branch of religious police can be found at: http://muttawa.blogspot.com

  60. The Don — on 22nd November, 2005 at 7:07 pm  

    Thanks, Vikrant,

    Good site. I once spent two days at a koran reciting event in Kalimantan Selatan. A journalist friend had misrepresented how much fun it would be. Bastard.

  61. Vikrant — on 22nd November, 2005 at 7:19 pm  

    Bet that sucked.. One thing that rocks about Hinduism is that you arent compelled to memorise or even read holy books. In my 16 years of exisistence i havent ever seen a copy of Vedas let alone read it.

  62. Mirax — on 22nd November, 2005 at 7:39 pm  

    ‘One thing that rocks about Hinduism is that you arent compelled to memorise or even read holy books.’

    Well it was once a capital offence for certain people-heard of the caste system,kiddo?- to even touch them. Does that rock too?

  63. Mirax — on 22nd November, 2005 at 7:42 pm  

    Apa khabar Don. I would rather slit my wrists than be stuck at one those quran recitation events. Luckily you survived it…

  64. jamal — on 22nd November, 2005 at 10:02 pm  

    I knew what chi chi man and punani meant, there have actually been songs written about both, but I didnt know twat meant that. I suppose its got a double meaning, like “pussy” for instance, which has a triple meaning! … I reckon ive got you’ll thinking now?

  65. bananabrain — on 23rd November, 2005 at 12:39 pm  

    not that i’m accusing anyone of being anti-semitic, although that “joke” really is offensive. my father-in-law’s almost entire family were murdered in auschwitz and the effects are ongoing in the two that are left. it’s not a subject for humour. generally, the debate here seems to be pretty sensible and sane, that’s why i’ve joined in. personally, i have better things to do with my time than moan about anti-semitism, but if i see it, i’ll call it. the rest of you seem OK though!

    b’shalom

    bananabrain

  66. Vikrant — on 23rd November, 2005 at 12:52 pm  

    Mirax… i’m atheist born to Hindu parents. Though culturally i’d describe myself as a Hindu. I’m not scoring brownie points on hows Hinduisms good over Islam…

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