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		<title>By: Genghis</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1618#comment-96263</link>
		<dc:creator>Genghis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She deserved it. Had it coming. 

Dont have a problem with corrupt people robbing the country blind being shot!</description>
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<p>Dont have a problem with corrupt people robbing the country blind being shot!</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1618#comment-95854</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democrat nominee Obama will be assassinated (not by white supremacists or by the U.S. state)

A British bank will fall into Asian hands.

Arsenal will win the champions league. 

And #10 on the &quot;Merry Christmas&quot; thread</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democrat nominee Obama will be assassinated (not by white supremacists or by the U.S. state)</p>
<p>A British bank will fall into Asian hands.</p>
<p>Arsenal will win the champions league. </p>
<p>And #10 on the &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221; thread</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1618#comment-95841</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;...it will be interesting to see what delights â€˜08 brings.&#039;

Predictions anyone? 

Boris Johnson will offend an entire demographic, but it&#039;s ok because he&#039;s a floppy-haired upper-class goof and therefore qualified to represent London to the world.

There will be a natural disaster and some religious figure will declare it as proof that god hates the same people he does.

At least a third of the Daily Mail&#039;s headlines will consist of a question to which the answer &#039;No&#039; is obvious to anything with an IQ above that of a dish of kedgeree.

Putin will release a sex-tape on the internet.

Brown won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;&#8230;it will be interesting to see what delights â€˜08 brings.&#8217;</p>
<p>Predictions anyone? </p>
<p>Boris Johnson will offend an entire demographic, but it&#8217;s ok because he&#8217;s a floppy-haired upper-class goof and therefore qualified to represent London to the world.</p>
<p>There will be a natural disaster and some religious figure will declare it as proof that god hates the same people he does.</p>
<p>At least a third of the Daily Mail&#8217;s headlines will consist of a question to which the answer &#8216;No&#8217; is obvious to anything with an IQ above that of a dish of kedgeree.</p>
<p>Putin will release a sex-tape on the internet.</p>
<p>Brown won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Jai</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1618#comment-95831</link>
		<dc:creator>Jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy New Year, everyone.

Considering how unpredictable &#039;07 was in general, it will be interesting to see what delights &#039;08 brings. No doubt it will be an eventful year, both economically and (especially) politically.

I wonder where we&#039;ll be this time next year, with regards to the situation in both Pakistan and the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy New Year, everyone.</p>
<p>Considering how unpredictable &#8217;07 was in general, it will be interesting to see what delights &#8217;08 brings. No doubt it will be an eventful year, both economically and (especially) politically.</p>
<p>I wonder where we&#8217;ll be this time next year, with regards to the situation in both Pakistan and the US.</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1618#comment-95817</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Belated happy new year to you all, without exception.
However, being the super PC liberal-type -- as you all know -- I worry whether we are being inclusive enough. 
Can one truly be progressive and modern and celebrate the Christian calendar?
As a rainbow-coloured burkha descends over Winterval, surely we should be eyeing a brave new world of redefined time. I accept that it takes 365 days and a bit for the earth to go round the sun -- which is good of me -- and that that is a good for a year. There is also a certain logic to having 12 months given the lunar cycle -- don&#039;t want to offend the ladies after all.  
But naming days after Roman/Norse gods and dividing  time according to the estimated birth of Christ.. well, that surely has to go, doesn&#039;t it?
(Be careful what you wish for)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belated happy new year to you all, without exception.<br />
However, being the super PC liberal-type &#8212; as you all know &#8212; I worry whether we are being inclusive enough.<br />
Can one truly be progressive and modern and celebrate the Christian calendar?<br />
As a rainbow-coloured burkha descends over Winterval, surely we should be eyeing a brave new world of redefined time. I accept that it takes 365 days and a bit for the earth to go round the sun &#8212; which is good of me &#8212; and that that is a good for a year. There is also a certain logic to having 12 months given the lunar cycle &#8212; don&#8217;t want to offend the ladies after all.<br />
But naming days after Roman/Norse gods and dividing  time according to the estimated birth of Christ.. well, that surely has to go, doesn&#8217;t it?<br />
(Be careful what you wish for)</p>
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		<title>By: RAMIIE</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1618#comment-95790</link>
		<dc:creator>RAMIIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happpy New Year, Picklers

RAMIIE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happpy New Year, Picklers</p>
<p>RAMIIE</p>
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		<title>By: Ours to keep</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1618#comment-95785</link>
		<dc:creator>Ours to keep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hope you manage to stay off the homemade hooch and the wife-beating in 2008 Muzumdar&lt;/i&gt;

And I hope that you manage to keep plying your hair with copious amounts of cooking oil and prostrating yourself before your Arab masters.

May the pagan moon god bless your lice ridden Bangladeshi take away in 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hope you manage to stay off the homemade hooch and the wife-beating in 2008 Muzumdar</i></p>
<p>And I hope that you manage to keep plying your hair with copious amounts of cooking oil and prostrating yourself before your Arab masters.</p>
<p>May the pagan moon god bless your lice ridden Bangladeshi take away in 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope everyone had a good christmas.

Happy New Year to All.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope everyone had a good christmas.</p>
<p>Happy New Year to All.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1618#comment-95780</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me just say, before I get too drunk to post a message... Happy New Year&#039;s to everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me just say, before I get too drunk to post a message&#8230; Happy New Year&#8217;s to everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Ah yes, the new year party time, time to enjoin in sin and vice, of drunkenness, sexual frivolity and all manner of frivolity!!!&lt;/em&gt;

oh yes! 
Happy New Year to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Ah yes, the new year party time, time to enjoin in sin and vice, of drunkenness, sexual frivolity and all manner of frivolity!!!</em></p>
<p>oh yes!<br />
Happy New Year to all.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1618#comment-95776</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Not a single Bangladeshi Muslim perished or was raped by the Pakistani army.&lt;/em&gt;

Hope you manage to stay off the homemade hooch and the wife-beating in 2008 Muzumdar. Happy New Year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Not a single Bangladeshi Muslim perished or was raped by the Pakistani army.</em></p>
<p>Hope you manage to stay off the homemade hooch and the wife-beating in 2008 Muzumdar. Happy New Year!</p>
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		<title>By: Ours to keep</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1618#comment-95774</link>
		<dc:creator>Ours to keep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sid

&lt;i&gt;And then Kissinger went on to endorse Pakistan&#039;s genocide in Bangladesh in 1971. &lt;/i&gt;

There was no genocide. The very idea that Muslims can commit genocide is a vicious attempt to demonise Muslims. 

This is a similar tactic employed by non-Muslims to claim that the early Islamic invaders, and after them the Mughals, committed atrocities on the non-Muslim populace of the sub-continent.

Both are ridiculous suppositions, especially the Bangladeshi one. 

Not a single Bangladeshi Muslim perished or was raped by the Pakistani army. 

Happy new year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sid</p>
<p><i>And then Kissinger went on to endorse Pakistan&#8217;s genocide in Bangladesh in 1971. </i></p>
<p>There was no genocide. The very idea that Muslims can commit genocide is a vicious attempt to demonise Muslims. </p>
<p>This is a similar tactic employed by non-Muslims to claim that the early Islamic invaders, and after them the Mughals, committed atrocities on the non-Muslim populace of the sub-continent.</p>
<p>Both are ridiculous suppositions, especially the Bangladeshi one. </p>
<p>Not a single Bangladeshi Muslim perished or was raped by the Pakistani army. </p>
<p>Happy new year.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1618#comment-95770</link>
		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone is sleeping peacefully.</description>
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		<title>By: saqib</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1618#comment-95769</link>
		<dc:creator>saqib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened...has everyone gone to sleep. 

Ah yes, the new year party time, time to enjoin in sin and vice, of drunkenness, sexual frivolity and all manner of frivolity!!!

Just kidding...the fundamentalist in me can&#039;t resist sometimes. Anyway, all the best to everyone at PP for 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened&#8230;has everyone gone to sleep. </p>
<p>Ah yes, the new year party time, time to enjoin in sin and vice, of drunkenness, sexual frivolity and all manner of frivolity!!!</p>
<p>Just kidding&#8230;the fundamentalist in me can&#8217;t resist sometimes. Anyway, all the best to everyone at PP for 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: saqib</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1618#comment-95767</link>
		<dc:creator>saqib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amritstar:

&#039;Saqib, yes the Ghandis got assasinated as they were victims of their policies and the whole assassin thing is not just a south asian current either!&#039;

I never suggested it was. 

It will take time in Pakistan to change the power structures and create a real political system which is representative, transparent and accountable, and free from the type of corruption we witness. Countries progress at different rates, it is all relative. 

India is, at this point far better of, however compared to Japan and South Korea, it compares unfavorably. No doubt, part of the problem for this is the hostilities between India and Pakistan, which if resolved would solve a lot of the problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amritstar:</p>
<p>&#8216;Saqib, yes the Ghandis got assasinated as they were victims of their policies and the whole assassin thing is not just a south asian current either!&#8217;</p>
<p>I never suggested it was. </p>
<p>It will take time in Pakistan to change the power structures and create a real political system which is representative, transparent and accountable, and free from the type of corruption we witness. Countries progress at different rates, it is all relative. </p>
<p>India is, at this point far better of, however compared to Japan and South Korea, it compares unfavorably. No doubt, part of the problem for this is the hostilities between India and Pakistan, which if resolved would solve a lot of the problems.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1618#comment-95766</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amritstar,

I&#039;d agree that Pakistan is, probably, the worlds most fragile democracy. What&#039;s to be done about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amritstar,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d agree that Pakistan is, probably, the worlds most fragile democracy. What&#8217;s to be done about it?</p>
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		<title>By: saqib</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1618#comment-95765</link>
		<dc:creator>saqib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sofia:

Thanks for some well-needed perspective, i think there was some genuine misunderstanding. 

It is however important Sofia, to distinguish between, what you call &#039;riot/massacre/pogrom&#039;. Riots have taken place in the UK in recent times, most notably in the summer of 2001, in Brixton in 1981, and let us not forget, between Muslim and Sikh youths in 1997. These riots, with all their nuances are a world away different from what took place in Gujarat in 2002 and the horrors in Bangladesh in 1971. This issue of state collusion has massive implications, for it can destroy the very fabric of trust which weaves a society together. 

This is why i felt it necessary to challenge the assertion that Gujarat were &#039;merely communal riots&#039;. 

Another reason why i did mention Gujarat was that the rationale for the creation of the state of Pakistan, (which Amritstar was saying should be disbanded) was that the Indian Muslims would suffer in a heavily Hindu-dominated India, because of the prevalent political and social situation. Ironically the creation of Pakistan was argued against by the religious scholars at the beginning, as they felt the new state would adopt an approach to secularism which would be anti-religion, and not merely separation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sofia:</p>
<p>Thanks for some well-needed perspective, i think there was some genuine misunderstanding. </p>
<p>It is however important Sofia, to distinguish between, what you call &#8216;riot/massacre/pogrom&#8217;. Riots have taken place in the UK in recent times, most notably in the summer of 2001, in Brixton in 1981, and let us not forget, between Muslim and Sikh youths in 1997. These riots, with all their nuances are a world away different from what took place in Gujarat in 2002 and the horrors in Bangladesh in 1971. This issue of state collusion has massive implications, for it can destroy the very fabric of trust which weaves a society together. </p>
<p>This is why i felt it necessary to challenge the assertion that Gujarat were &#8216;merely communal riots&#8217;. </p>
<p>Another reason why i did mention Gujarat was that the rationale for the creation of the state of Pakistan, (which Amritstar was saying should be disbanded) was that the Indian Muslims would suffer in a heavily Hindu-dominated India, because of the prevalent political and social situation. Ironically the creation of Pakistan was argued against by the religious scholars at the beginning, as they felt the new state would adopt an approach to secularism which would be anti-religion, and not merely separation.</p>
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		<title>By: Amritstar</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1618#comment-95764</link>
		<dc:creator>Amritstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saqib, yes the Ghandis got assasinated as they were victims of their policies and the whole assassin thing is not just a south asian current either!
All I am saying is that Pakistan is fragile and the whole experiment aint working too well unless a General comes in and does his thing for a few years.
Its safe to say that Pakistani democratic govts have contributed to poison brewing, Khan and his bomb was a Bhutto driven thing, Sharif and his war mongering with Mush in tow during those Kargil times..
However, terror has grown with Mush in power so what is the solution?
How long can Dollars trump up the rogue state which is Pakistan??
India, yes has its myriad of problems and internal and regional affairs to deal with. But it works and gets on with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saqib, yes the Ghandis got assasinated as they were victims of their policies and the whole assassin thing is not just a south asian current either!<br />
All I am saying is that Pakistan is fragile and the whole experiment aint working too well unless a General comes in and does his thing for a few years.<br />
Its safe to say that Pakistani democratic govts have contributed to poison brewing, Khan and his bomb was a Bhutto driven thing, Sharif and his war mongering with Mush in tow during those Kargil times..<br />
However, terror has grown with Mush in power so what is the solution?<br />
How long can Dollars trump up the rogue state which is Pakistan??<br />
India, yes has its myriad of problems and internal and regional affairs to deal with. But it works and gets on with it.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sid and Saqib,

Posts 193 to 207. Now that is what I would think of as being &#039;British&#039;. A dispute resolved by reason. Love you both, - obviously in a friendy, non sexual manner - have a happy New Year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sid and Saqib,</p>
<p>Posts 193 to 207. Now that is what I would think of as being &#8216;British&#8217;. A dispute resolved by reason. Love you both, &#8211; obviously in a friendy, non sexual manner &#8211; have a happy New Year.</p>
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		<title>By: saqib</title>
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		<dc:creator>saqib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sid:

I am happy we cleared that up, I genuinely forgot i wrote that and was very confused with your posts, mind you, i looked a real plum with my reply! Let&#039;s us call it a pre-new year hangover! All the best for the new year as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sid:</p>
<p>I am happy we cleared that up, I genuinely forgot i wrote that and was very confused with your posts, mind you, i looked a real plum with my reply! Let&#8217;s us call it a pre-new year hangover! All the best for the new year as well.</p>
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