Yet the kind of censorship the nationalist secularists are trying to impose on Pamuk is identical to the censorship favoured by the likes of Tariq Ramadan, the Islamic scholar who first came to fame in his home city of Geneva when he mounted a campaign to stop a play by Voltaire (himself a champion of free speech) being staged, because he felt it was disrespectful to Islam.

This took place in 1993.

its good to see actually wakes you up and shows you the world like it is.

=>”the Sikh who counters B’s observation there will be no Hindus in heaven, with the rather disingenuous,”but I am not a hindu, I am a sikh” ? ”

You’re misinterpreting my statement. I wasn’t responding to her (erroneous) claim about “no Hindus in heaven”; I was referring to the fact that Bikhair appears to be assuming that Geezer is “siding” with Hindus (only), or that the people here on PP supporting Geezer are all Hindus themselves.

But what’s is with the Sikh who fulminates against someone calling Sikhism a ‘cult’ but declares he does not give a toss about the Qadianis being murdered or the Sikh who counters B’s observation there will be no Hindus in heaven, with the rather disingenuous,”but I am not a hindu, I am a sikh” ?

Sorry, but I just happen to be the sort of person who notices these little things…

I proposed that we have a discussion around media portrayals of Muslims and Islamophobia in the media, but they said it would possibly come out in the conference so invited me here instead.

Jai:
I would gently suggest you learn a little about Sikhism before making such statements.

Bikhair is chatting out of her arse again. Islam is not as black-and-white about “believers” being exclusively Muslim and “kafirs” being all the non-Muslim. That only applies to these nutters and their ideology. I’ve spoken to enough people who know more about Islam than Bikhair who say is it is more about generally believing in God with love and without arrogance. So Islam is not as dismissive as Bikhair would like us to believe and the rubbish she spouts doesn’t make me think any different.

Your one and the same thing, you are what I call the “silent partners” in their crimes. You lay the ground work through your ideas and propaganda then sit back and watch the show and take on he wolf in sheep’s clothing routine saying “hey we condemn those guys”.

Geezer summed it up perfectly.

To paraphrase, marching to the tune of the Islamaphobes will be a journey never destined to be completed.

Solidarity with my fellow countrymen and women has never been the issue. And there are very many ways of expressing that, and we all probably do it everyday. At work, on the street, at school.

The solidarity that will really matter is one for all communities to stick together – not for any one to be hounded.

The biggest expression of this, as Sonia points out, was the collective marches against war and against terror. These were the one and the same. Joined by milkmen, GPs, bus drivers, firemen, politicians, and yes neighbours.

But i do agree, such event have a tendancy to not be representative of the actually people it is supposed too. How did they advertise for this?

=>”Your religion is protecting people who hate and insult Allah (azawajal) with thier evil beliefs.

1. You seem to be woefully misinformed about Sufism.
2. You seem to be grossly misinformed about the rest of us too if you think our beliefs are “evil”. In fact, exactly which religious beliefs are you referring to ?
3. If you think we actually “hate” Allah/God/whatever name you wish to use, then you have either been told lies by some malicious party, or you cannot see the truth right in front of you and you are psychotically delusional. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, we can hope it is merely the former.

=>”That’ll get you into Jennah, ”

There’s no such place. Hell, or Jennah to use your term, is being spiritually separated from the Almighty. In fact, by being here on Earth right now, except for those who are exceptionally spiritually-aware, we’re already all in Hell. Including you.

=>”though i doubt you would want to go because there will not be any Hindus there”

I’m not a Hindu. Neither is Sunny, along with a number of other people on this blog. I would gently suggest you learn a little about Sikhism before making such statements.

Well, if you’re white, you’re immediately well up on the Saudi foodchain. Non-Arabs, especially if they’re non-white, mean nothing to Saudis irrespective of whether they’re Muslim or not. They do give a bit more respect to Muslims if they’re coming for Hajj.

If you’re a Indonesian/Bangladeshi/Phillipina woman you’re just so much more nurse/cleaner/maid material.

If you’re a white woman, you’re prospective wife material into the Royal Family as a prospect you go!

OTOH, If you’re American or British or European, you’ll be rewarded with the top jobs, facilities regardless of whether you’re anti-Saudi or not.

Very similar to how Multi-nationals and the UN grade the “races”

BTW J0nz apparently Jews(even if one managed to sneak in) are free

LOL no real surprise there..

BTW J0nz apparently Jews(even if one managed to sneak in) are free.

You silly bigot.